Bandit Alley
MODEL SPECIFIC => BIG BANDIT BANTER => Topic started by: 1200B on August 26, 2008, 11:37:01 AM
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ok so my next road trip will be about 8,000 miles and i need to find a good tire that will last 8,000 miles of twisties and highway.
Looks like it's down to Metzler Roadtec Z6 or Avon 46 maybe conti road attacks heard some good and some bad like take away to get up to temp and were slippery...
who's running the metzler on their bandit 1200? I've heard lots of good stories about them from friends, but they ride bmw sport tourer, bmw 1200gs, and a fjr1300...
don't know if the metzler is a dual compound like the AV46, like the idea of a dual compound, never tried one before tho....
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I recommend metzeler roadtec z 6 .
I rode 14000km( rear wheel.)We have hoarse roads here in Finland due to studded tires.
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Never ran either of them, but I have gotten ~10,000 miles out of Michelin Pilot Road rears (3 times) and ~15,000 miles out of the PR fronts (twice). Before the PR's, I ran a Bridgestone BT020 rear and BT020 front and the pair lasted just under 10,000 miles. I even milked my OE tires for 9,000 miles, but the front was prone to inducing vibrations when it only had ~2,500 - 3,00 miles on it and whould have been changed if I wasn't such a cheapskate.
You tire mileage will depend heavily on your riding style and the condition of the roads you ride. To be up front, I tend to get more miles out of all the tires I've tried than most folks who've posted mileage results with the same tire.
I just spooned on a pair of the new generation Pilot Road2's, but the mileage on them is only at ~2,000 miles right now, but they're still looking like new, despite those miles being mostly brisk and at local air temperatures >100*F most of the days of a 4-day 1700 mile trip. So far, I'm loving them. :thumb:
The original PR's aren't dual compound, but the new PR2's are. The original "Roadtec Z6" came out around the same time as the original PR's, so I'm guessing they aren't dual compound, but I'm pretty sure the new "Roadtec Z6 Interact" is.
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I've used Conti Road Attacks exclusively on my B12S for the past three years.
Adhesion/grip is fantastic, wet or dry and I run out of ground clearance before I run out of grip. Tracking and feedback are also excellent. My riding is probably a normal mixture of zoom and plod. LOL Tire milage averages about 6k miles to about 1/16-1/8" tread left and replacement. I would be surprised if anyone could get 8k miles out of a set.
Blue
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I've used Conti Road Attacks exclusively on my B12S for the past three years.
Adhesion/grip is fantastic, wet or dry and I run out of ground clearance before I run out of grip. Tracking and feedback are also excellent. My riding is probably a normal mixture of zoom and plod. LOL Tire milage averages about 6k miles to about 1/16-1/8" tread left and replacement. I would be surprised if anyone could get 8k miles out of a set.
Blue
Same here,I'm going to try a set of Conti Road Attacks on the SV next too. I put a new set on the Bandit at the begining of the year and are still holding up good. The Bandit has been ridden most of the time. But I never got 8k out of any tire. Maybe 4 at the most.(rear)
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+1 for the Michelin Pilot Roads. I get >10000 miles out of a rear. I have the new PR2 on now.
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This question is really relative with how HARD you ride.
I can't get more than about 3,500-4000miles out of ANY rear tire.
Real sticky tires get me about 2,000-2,500 miles, Sport Touring get me about 3,500-4000.
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+1 on the Michelin PR2s. Good tires.
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+1 pr2`s :motorsmile:
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one word, three numbers
Shinko 009
and I ride hard enough to wear out a shinko 005 front before I wear out a 009 rear, now go figure that. Maybe just a little front end push :duh:
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i currently have the stock BT-056 on my 600 bandit and they are great. especially for stock. how ever i dont like that center tread on the front tire, it makes me nervous. :D
the tires are old and need replaicing so...
i thought about the 020's but it looks like the 021's are better quality better grip?
what do you guys think of the BT-021 tires??? has any one here used them before???
thanks.
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I've run the stock BT-056, grip was good, but wear was high. I've run two BT-020 rears, and one each BT-020 and BT-021 fronts. I preferred the standard BT-020 on the front. The BT-021 wore funny and did not last any longer. At the end of it's life it had less grip than the BT-020, but likely had better side grip when it was new.
I tend to wear out the sides of the front tire before the centre, and both the BT-020 and BT-021 had centre tread left when the sides were gone. So the harder centre section on the BT-021 ended up being no use to me.
I wanted to try the BT-021 on the rear, as I normally wear out the centre, and the harder center section should have been a benefit, but I was unable to get one when I needed to change tires on the road. That's why I ended up with the BT-021 front with a BT-020 rear.
I currently am running Dunlop Qualifier Sport tires. Grip is great, but wear is high.
So far, for my money, I have liked the set of Michelin Pilot Roads best. Best overall compromise of grip vs mileage. I wanted to try the Pilot Road 2's, Maybe next set...
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Bridgestone BT 020's for the front are CRAP......they Cup like crazy, did it on 3 different bikes for me so I know it's not the bike but the tire. I've heard others complaing about the Cupping also IMOP Bridgstone should've recalled ALL those tires for Cupping issues.
Rears seem fine......only the fronts are bad.
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I have the 016's on my 1250 Bandit and they seem to do fine. I don't really have a lot of miles on them yet but they do seem to be doing fine... I had Avons on it before that and they were good too but they did not last very long. They were great traction in the lean but again they did not seem to last very long... I think that I got about 6000 miles on them. By the time that I took them off they were rubbed raw on the extreme sides and you could see where the rubber was worn from the friction of the lean. I hope that these Bridges are as good a traction tire as the Avon and I do hope to get a few more miles out of them as they are dual or maybe triple compound...banditone1250s...
There is a thin line between fear and respect...Feel Free to drift across it every now and then....
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I have a friend that had the Metzler "Sportec on the front and the Roadtec on the back of his Kawasaki Z1000. We were on the Cherahala Skyway right after he put them on and he got a screw in the rear tire. Of course we had stuff to repair the tire and re-fill it with air and we were on our way. Back to the point that I started making, after putting a plug in the tire where the screw was, he rode those tires for 10,000 more miles. I'd say that the Roadtecs were well worth the money that you pay for them for sure...banditone1250s...
There is a thin linw between fear and respect...Feel free to drift across it every now and then....
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Hey Bandit1250
Past Pleasures....all memories
2006 Triumph Sprint ST1050
I see you recently had a Triumph Sprint ST. I am seriously looking at selling by B6 to my younger brother and buying a new Sprint. Another option might be a new Bandit 1250...
Since you've had both (among others) tell me about your experience with the Triumph, and how you ended up with, and feel about the Bandit 1250.
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Hey Bandit1250
I see you recently had a Triumph Sprint ST. I am seriously looking at selling by B6 to my younger brother and buying a new Sprint. Another option might be a new Bandit 1250...
Since you've had both (among others) tell me about your experience with the Triumph, and how you ended up with, and feel about the Bandit 1250.
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Well, I loved the Sprint's motor, 125hp and smooth as silk almost totally vibe free and the computer gizmo's were fun to play with.......but the party ended there for me.........
I had quite a few problems with mine and lost gfaith in the bike.
!. Had a warm engine no start problem that turned out to be a clutch spring issue, replaced clutch.
2. Had the plastic gas tank bubbeling up under the paint, replaced under warranty.
3. Various rubber pieces rotting after only 1 year of ownership and less than 13,000 miles.
4. Recall on suspension bolt that could snap and cause the suspension to collapse.
5. The seat attachment is the worst I ever encountered on a motorcycle, PITA to reattach.
6. Front tire would wear almost the same time with the rear, never had a bike do that before, ususally they wear 2 to 1 rear to front, not a defect but more expensive come tire time.
7. Long cold crank time.
8. Suspension is very soft.
9. Very tall geared had to downshift twice for strong power even after going one tooth down in the front sprocket, helped a litttle though.
Most of the above were handeled under warranty.
That being said mine was an earlier model and I've heard TRIUMPH has corrected some of these issues but I'd buy a 2007 or newer if you're serious about one........the RED 2007 looks awesome too!!
So far I love the Bandit1250.
I have almost 12,000 miles on her and no issues. The suspension on the Bandit 1250 is firm but I like that for solid twisty riding here in twisty road California. The Sprint used to wallow in the twisties when I pushed it hard (I'm heavy though at almost 300lbs) The Bandit is real solid. Sprint is faster but the 1250 has MUCHO torque down low and makes peak HP and Torque at much lower RPM's so less shifting is involved.
IMOP the British bikes arn't as dependable as the Japanese.....one of my friends is taking TRIUMPH to litigation for problems he's had on his 2007 Speed Cripple. A broken piston at 4,000 miles and a no start problem that the dealer couldn't fix even after having the bike for 3 months. I've been to TRIUMPH sites and quite a few people complain about electrical probs with the Speed Tripple. For a company that's trying to increase it's market share I'm surprised they didn't offer him anything for his problems, no buy back of the bike or offer of a new one or anything........that's why he hired a Lawyer.
If you're looking for a Sport Tourer I'd seriously consider a KAWASAKI Concourse 1400....I have 3 friends who have them and love 'em! It might be my next bike..........
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I've been to TRIUMPH sites and quite a few people complain about electrical probs with the Speed Tripple.
A British motorcycle with electrical problems???
That's unheard of!!!!! :roll:
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That being said mine was an earlier model and I've heard TRIUMPH has corrected some of these issues but I'd buy a 2007 or newer if you're serious about one........the RED 2007 looks awesome too!!
I lookiing at a 2008 leftover...brand new, non current. Still not much of a discount however...
Colour choice is either Graphite or Blue.
Sorry to hear about your problems...most people I have talked to that are my size, shape and age (5-11, 185 lbs, 52 years) and have one are pretty pleased. I recognize the potential for a few more problems, but as a former mechanic, I hoping that may help. Of course the little air/oil cooled Bandit has been as reliable as a stone. Other than my fiddling with things, it has only needed tires and chain/sprockets, and I still love the little bike.
But, after 6 seasons, I've decided I can't keep it forever, and want to try something different. My good friend has a Connie 14 and had the older Connie as well, and he loves his, but I'm still looking for something a little lighter and a touch sportier, that still has hard bags. I've looked at and ridden VFR's, and they are an option, but the Triumph still has some allure, and here in Canada, a whole LOT cheaper than a VFR with factory hard bags.
We'll see...thanks for the comments.
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I've used Conti Road Attacks exclusively on my B12S for the past three years.
Adhesion/grip is fantastic, wet or dry and I run out of ground clearance before I run out of grip. Tracking and feedback are also excellent. My riding is probably a normal mixture of zoom and plod. LOL Tire milage averages about 6k miles to about 1/16-1/8" tread left and replacement. I would be surprised if anyone could get 8k miles out of a set.
Blue
The biggest problem with tire life is how you use 'em. Use up the "chicken strip" and you'll have lousy tire life, regardless of brand. Do burn-outs and you'll say goodbye to your expensive rear "tars". Every asshole pays the price, regardless of intent or pursuit of the chickadees. So do the math, and don't bitch when physics meets the bottom line.
Under normal use, you can expect even the old standard Bridgestones to give you 12K miles. The Metzler ME4's give great performance and shorter 8K lives. Now I'm working on installing a set of Shinko (Yokohama) 005's on my '99 1200. We'll see.
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The highest mileage tire I've found is the BT021, but I only get around 8K out of them.
I guess "Normal Use" in Florida is probably a little different, we have curvy roads & frost heaves up here
(so we don't really have any chicken strips on our rear tires.) :stickpoke:
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I live in Southern Cal.....I don't know ANYONE here in So Cal that gets more than 4,000 miles out of a rear tire on a sport or sport touring bike.........but then again we DO have curves here! :trustme:
I'd be ecstatic if I could get 5,000 miles out of a rear tire........if anyone finds pne, please let me know!
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A British motorcycle with electrical problems???
That's unheard of!!!!! :roll:
You'd think that by now they'd have it figured out??!!
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I live in Southern Cal.....I don't know ANYONE here in So Cal that gets more than 4,000 miles out of a rear tire on a sport or sport touring bike.........but then again we DO have curves here! :trustme:
I'd be ecstatic if I could get 5,000 miles out of a rear tire........if anyone finds pne, please let me know!
Mich Road 2's will give you > 5K miles and still pull fast track days.
Mark
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I'd have to see it to believe it..........I do have the regular Pilot Road on the rear now, we'll see how that holds up, just about 1,000 miles on it now.
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I'd have to see it to believe it..........I do have the regular Pilot Road on the rear now, we'll see how that holds up, just about 1,000 miles on it now.
I got 10K miles out of my PR rears and 15K out of the fronts.
Tested over the course of three rears and two fronts.
*Caveat* I do tend to get more miles out of my tires than most... but 5K should be easy and 8K shouldn't be much of a reach.
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I got 10K miles out of my PR rears and 15K out of the fronts.
Tested over the course of three rears and two fronts.
*Caveat* I do tend to get more miles out of my tires than most... but 5K should be easy and 8K shouldn't be much of a reach.
That would be nice but I doubt I'll see anywhere near that good of mileage. For instance, I wear out the sides of my Front tire before the center of the tread. It kills me to throw away the tire when it has like 50% of the center tread left! :bandit: