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MODEL SPECIFIC => BIG BANDIT BANTER => Topic started by: Sandman9270 on November 12, 2006, 03:47:34 PM

Title: Newbie Question....Which way to increase Preload?
Post by: Sandman9270 on November 12, 2006, 03:47:34 PM

I don't have a little owner's manual with the bike.  I definitely need to increase the preload.  If I am standing to the left of the bike, which way do I turn the adjuster....or....if I am standing over the bike, facing the front which direction to increse preload...clockwise or counter-clockwise?

Title: Newbie Question....Which way to increase Preload?
Post by: Mongo on November 12, 2006, 08:21:30 PM

clockwise for the front counter clockwise on the rear with 1 being the softest and 7 at stiffest!

Title: Newbie Question....Which way to increase Preload?
Post by: elbandido on November 13, 2006, 03:18:29 PM

Newbie mechanic question:  How much of a difference does it make if you adjust the shock preload on the centerstand, rather than on its' sidestand.  Because I'm having a difficult time increasing the preload with the provided C spanner tool, while on the sidestand.

Thanks,
elbandido
 :motorsmile:

Title: Newbie Question....Which way to increase Preload?
Post by: Mongo on November 13, 2006, 03:57:05 PM

Quote from: "elbandido"

Newbie mechanic question:  How much of a difference does it make if you adjust the shock preload on the centerstand, rather than on its' sidestand.  Because I'm having a difficult time increasing the preload with the provided C spanner tool, while on the sidestand.

Thanks,
elbandido
 :motorsmile:

Are you using the cheater on the spaner tool? I found if you use the cheater in your toll kit and stuff a big screwdriver in the end of the cheater it clicks over very easy!

Title: Newbie Question....Which way to increase Preload?
Post by: elbandido on November 13, 2006, 05:03:04 PM

Thanks Mongo,

Forgot about that.  I'll try that.  

~elbandido :thanks:

Title: linkage rods?
Post by: elbandido on November 13, 2006, 06:39:35 PM

By the way, 31F is branded on the linkage rods/dogbones of my bandit, and wondered what this means?  

The bike does look lowered to me(previous owner told me everything was stock), and has been commented before about the looks of it looking lowered.  I'm looking into putting the stock linkage rods/dogbones back in, to get back to stock heighth if this is the case.

 :motorsmile:

Title: Newbie Question....Which way to increase Preload?
Post by: chupacabra on November 13, 2006, 08:10:21 PM

I'd be looking for something to replace that stock 600 shock if I were you. On my G1 B6 the stock shock and spring is very weak.

Title: Newbie Question....Which way to increase Preload?
Post by: Mongo on November 13, 2006, 08:32:40 PM

Want to try a stock 1200 shock before I chuck it? Really not sure what the difference between the 1200 and 600 is but it might be worth a try!

Title: Newbie Question....Which way to increase Preload?
Post by: elbandido on November 13, 2006, 10:23:18 PM

Just getting brand new Diablo Stradas, I lost about an inch of seat heighth.  (The old tire was a Dunlop 160/70, 17), The seat heighth being at about 28.5-29" now does feel too low for me, and I'm only 5'5".  And wheel base is longer I'd like to raise the seat heighth at least 2" more.  Could the sag be due to the weak B6 spring.  

Mongo, I'm going to check the specs on the B12 shock to see if it's better or similar to what I have stock now, if it's better, I'd give it a try.  Thanks for the offer.  I want to regain the original geometry of my bandit, so I can carve the canyons better.

Title: Newbie Question....Which way to increase Preload?
Post by: BANDIT#999 on November 14, 2006, 12:03:18 AM

Hey Elbandido, if those are lowering dogbones....I'm putting a Busa shock on my 1200 and might take them off your hands. Got any idea how much you'd want for them? I've got the shock ready to go, but I'll only be doing it over the winter so if your not in any hurry I can wait.


BANDIT #999

Title: Newbie Question....Which way to increase Preload?
Post by: chupacabra on November 14, 2006, 07:29:48 AM

Heres a picture of the G1 B6 shock on the left and the G1 B12 shock on the right
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y164/VomitsAlot/eeed3a3f.jpg)
Stiffer spring and larger preload on the B12 shock, + it has damping adjustment.

Not the same shocks on the G2's but still somewhat the same .

Title: Newbie Question....Which way to increase Preload?
Post by: Mongo on November 14, 2006, 09:38:10 AM

Busa shock on the left & Second Gen. 1200 to the right. Very little difference from the first generation to the second other than the adjustment cage! Not really sure about spring rates.

(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/02-mongo/CIMG3234.jpg)

Title: Newbie Question....Which way to increase Preload?
Post by: elbandido on November 14, 2006, 04:51:19 PM

Bandit#999,
Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out the Dogbone situation.  I took some pics of the dogbones marked 31F, but can't figure out how to post the pictures.  Anymarkings on your stock dogbones/linkage rods?  

Mongo, how many miles on your 2G B12 Shock, and how much would you give it up for?

Elbandido

 :grin:

Title: Newbie Question....Which way to increase Preload?
Post by: BANDIT#999 on November 14, 2006, 05:20:02 PM

If you can attach the photos in an email I'll post them for you, then tell you later how to post your own.
Haven't got mine apart yet, cleaning up the race bike for the upcoming shows.
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid212/pc9f1281ef9d7aeb6aada64a515ce5853/ed5978d1.jpg)

My address
Maximx@rogers.com

Title: Newbie Question....Which way to increase Preload?
Post by: BANDIT#999 on November 14, 2006, 07:42:14 PM

Here's the pics elbandido as promised. I'll email you back in a while on how to do it.
Good shots by the way!
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid218/p332d37c521f5f22b9ea7d4e40de776a6/ec0c0def.jpg)(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid218/p4bf63f3a02acffbd88a99fd5195ee200/ec0c0df0.jpg)

Title: Newbie Question....Which way to increase Preload?
Post by: Mongo on November 14, 2006, 08:29:51 PM

Quote from: "elbandido"

Bandit#999,

Mongo, how many miles on your 2G B12 Shock, and how much would you give it up for?

Elbandido

 :grin:

14,000 miles on the shock, trade you for a bottle of      (http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e151/hellojackie/tequila.jpg)

Title: Newbie Question....Which way to increase Preload?
Post by: elbandido on November 15, 2006, 07:32:31 PM

Bandit#999,

Thanks for posting the pics!!!



Mongo,

I like your style!!!


~Elbandido

Title: Newbie Question....Which way to increase Preload?
Post by: Mongo on November 15, 2006, 08:10:26 PM

Quote from: "elbandido"

Bandit#999,

Thanks for posting the pics!!!



Mongo,

I like your style!!!


~Elbandido

So does that mean you want the shock?

If not there is someone else out there looking!

http://forums.banditalley.net/viewtopic.php?t=7495

Title: Newbie Question....Which way to increase Preload?
Post by: BANDIT#999 on November 15, 2006, 08:44:03 PM

elbandido, I'm typing out your "How to post pictures" and it's taking forever, tell you what, send me an email with your home phone and I can probably talk you through it quicker.
But sign up on either or both
http://www2.snapfish.com/welcomep
http://www.imagestation.com/mypictures/index.html
These are the ones I use and I'll be able to talk you through them easier.
I'll send you what I've typed so far and you'll see what I mean.



Graham

Title: Newbie Question....Which way to increase Preload?
Post by: pmackie on November 18, 2006, 12:34:07 AM

Hey Elbandido

My stock '02 600S has the same 31F stamped on the side plates of the dog bones. I think yours are stock.

Title: Newbie Question....Which way to increase Preload?
Post by: elbandido on November 19, 2006, 02:19:08 AM

Wow!  Thanks Pmackie.  By the way, what's the seat height on your 02 B6?  Mine is at about 29".  Is your Rear Shock stock also, or did you upgrade?

Bandit#999,
Pmackie just confirmed that my dogbones are stock.  So I guess I won't be swapping them out for you at the moment.
Sorry, man....

I still may try to gain another 1.5" in seat height, either by a stiffer rear shock or some highering bones.  When I do I'll let you know, Bandit#999.





 :motorsmile:

Title: Newbie Question....Which way to increase Preload?
Post by: elbandido on November 19, 2006, 02:52:02 AM

Mongo,

I'm seeing if I can find one with lesser mileage, at the moment.  If not, I'll take yours.  And I may be making a trip to Southern California, in the next couple weeks, and could be in your vicinity for a swap of the Especial Cuervo for the shock.  But I'll let you know for sure.


Elbandido :thanks:

Title: Newbie Question....Which way to increase Preload?
Post by: Mongo on November 19, 2006, 07:55:00 PM

Quote from: "elbandido"

Mongo,

I'm seeing if I can find one with lesser mileage, at the moment.  If not, I'll take yours.  And I may be making a trip to Southern California, in the next couple weeks, and could be in your vicinity for a swap of the Especial Cuervo for the shock.  But I'll let you know for sure.


Elbandido :thanks:

If you want to try it out let me know I'll give it to you, why buy one with lower miles hell you might get it and find it's not even close to what you want. I'm not to concerned about the

(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f327/ridicu/tequilla.jpg)my heads still thumping from last night!

Title: Newbie Question....Which way to increase Preload?
Post by: pmackie on November 20, 2006, 12:03:52 AM

Elbandido...
I have a stock '02 600S, now with 32000 km (20000 miles). Rear spring preload is on full stiff, front forks are dropped 5/8" in tubes with Progressive Springs.

Seat height measured by placing a carpenters level 2-3/4" behind fuel tank is 29-7/8".

Basically zero static sag on the rear, but about 3/4" static sag on the front.

Mongo...if Elbandido doesn't really want the shock, I'm interested. How about a trade for a nice black Mountain Petroleum ball cap, Stainless coffee mug and nicely engraved, wood handle inlaid jacknife. I'll pay the freight for both shipments.

PM me with your address, and I will send you the goods via courier along with my shipping instructions.

Title: Newbie Question....Which way to increase Preload?
Post by: elbandido on November 20, 2006, 02:12:34 PM

Mongo,

Go ahead and deal the Shock to Pmackie, since I'm on the fence right now.  No problem at all.  I may not be able to do the work until later anyways.

Thanks for you generosity,
Elbandido
 :motorsmile:

Title: Newbie Question....Which way to increase Preload?
Post by: Mongo on November 20, 2006, 04:06:27 PM

Quote from: "elbandido"

Mongo,

Go ahead and deal the Shock to Pmackie, since I'm on the fence right now.  No problem at all.  I may not be able to do the work until later anyways.

Thanks for you generosity,
Elbandido
 :motorsmile:

Not a problem I figured you had first dibs!

Pmackie PM sent.

Title: Newbie Question....Which way to increase Preload?
Post by: elbandido on November 22, 2006, 06:43:56 PM

Pmackie,

Will you let me know once you've set-up Mongo's Rear B12 Shock, on your B6, and tell me if there is any improvement versus your stock 2nd generation B6 Shock?  Whether it's noticeably stiffer, and handling improved, or any other comments you might have, installation, etc...?



 :motorsmile:
Elbandido