Bandit Alley
MODEL SPECIFIC => BIG BANDIT BANTER => Topic started by: Chi-TownBandit on March 03, 2005, 08:08:19 PM
-
Anybody ever try this? If so, I'd appreciate any input before I attempt surgery on my b6 1996. Thanks! It's good to have the board back for some advice!
-
:beers:
-
hey, ranger, thanks for the response!
so, when you enlarged the 3 holes, you made them exactly 5mm wide? this assumes that i want a 5 degree advance. after that, you just twisted the plate left or counterclockwise? Nothing else involved? Any other advice would be appreciated. :mrgreen:
I might attempt the experiment this weekend. Thanks, again!
Erin
-
hrmm... interesting..
Another mod I can do for free???? Sign me up :mrgreen:
How much do you need to enlarge the holes?
-
hrmm... interesting..
Another mod I can do for free???? Sign me up :mrgreen:
How much do you need to enlarge the holes?
Click here (http://www.banditsrus.com/fastlarry/bandit_tips.htm) then scroll to the bottom of the page. Viola! Everything you need to know is right there! :mrgreen:
-
Man im glad this place is back.. you guys rock! :mrgreen:
Thanks
-
I just installed the homemade advancer on my B6. I wouldn't use a dremmel next time. I started off with it then I had to go to one of my pretty heavy duty drills, and used a drill bit to enlarge the holes. It started snowing yesterday, so I couldn't test it out. I"ll let everyone know how it goes, as soon as I get a chance. :motorsmile:
-
What a great mod! Glad I did it, and saved some money. Spent some time on it--measured twice and cut once, but it was time well spent. Great throttle response.
-
Can someone copy and paste this information?? For whatever reason, I can't access the link provided.........
-
Larry's site was hacked and is currently off line.
-
Can someone copy and paste this information?? For whatever reason, I can't access the link provided.........
The 9 Step Program On How To Make Your Own Adjustable Ignition Advancer
It's easy and best of all, it's FREE.
Step 1: Remove the Signal Generator Cover (right/front engine cover).
Step 2: Remove the trigger rotor by removing the bolt in the center.
Step 3: Remove the 3 screws holding the ignition plate and loosen the plate.
Step 4: Enlarge the bolt holes in clockwise direction. *
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d35/paulweit/Bandit%20Alley/ignadv.gif)
Step 5: Reinstall the plate and trigger.
Step 6: Torque the trigger bolt to 25-34Nm/18-25.5lbft.
Step 7: Rotate the plate counterclockwise and tighten the 3 screws.
Step 8: Reinstall the cover.
Step 9: Testride time!
* How much should you enlarge the holes/rotate the plate?
Enlarge the holes ~5mm. The amount of advance should be 3-5° and 1° is ~1mm of slotting the plate.
A dyno test will find the best setting, but if you have no dyno and the motor is not highly modified, try 5° first.
Be careful not to over do it and listen for engine detonation which usually occurs at low RPM and high load (lugging).
On a basically stock (rejetted fits in this category) engine you may seet 1-2 Hp in the midrange, but mostly it's improved response.
Aftermarket advance triggers you can by have usually a fixed setting of 5°, so if you don't go any wilder with your slotting than that, you should be safe.
NOTE:Since Fast Larry's site keeps getting hacked or otherwise going off-line and this is a popular question, I'm going to put a copy of this How-To in the FAQ's
-
Thanks a bunch. :thanks:
-
I did this mod years ago, still works great. Smoothed out throttle response, and allowed for quicker warmup.
-
I used a chainsaw sharpening file to do mine ..
Very easy....
I only went approx. 3 degrees.. Sure smoothed out the mid range..
-
is this possible with a B4 too?
I'm thinking yes, unless the TPS comes into the scene somehow..
-
It will work on any bike with a similar setup, the question is will it do other bikes any good or not. Other bikes may or may not change 1 degree for each mm worth of slotting. Since it can easily be reset back to stock, no reason you can't try it.
The TPS shouldn't matter, this mod works on 1G (no TPS) and 2G (TPS) bikes. You're just fooling the black box as to the crank's true position.
-
I have seen Dales and Ivans dynochart`s .can someone tell me why an advancer would make more power with one than the other ? :thanks: Mark
-
Due to differences in how they modify air boxes, build their needles or choose their jets.
Dale claims the advancer increases throttle response more than it effects absolute power, which could be why Ivan doesn't see anything. If he's only looking at a dyno chart and not riding the bike, the difference may not be evident.
-
hi guys, just to clairfy . . . when the say 5degree they basically mean rotate it 5 degree clockwise right? does anyone have any pictures of when they done it?
would it be ok to have the new 5mm hole edge touch in the old outside edge of the hole
( c ) existing hole -------> CO <-----second hole ( o )
kinda want to measure 3-4 times and cut once lol
Chris
p.s. great site
-
You just slot the existing hole as illustrated, which will mean the plate will rotate in a counter-clockwise direction. You's still be drilling in the "CO" manner (not OC).
There was a real pic on Fast Larry's site, but it is still down. :sad:
-
Ive been thinking about doing this for a while but have only just got round to giving it a go.
The thing is ive completely removed the plate and am in the middle of marking out where the holes are to be extended to but the top left hole is less than 5mm from the edge of the plate. ie I cant extended to hole by 5mm without going over the edge.
Here is a pic.
http://www.hardwareforums.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=592&c=3
Am I trying to extend an aftermarket plate? The bike had already had the carbs jetted and a K&N filter installed and I reckon he had an exhaust on there too due to some dodgy welding around the collector box. (I think it was an all-in-one exhaust on my model which has been cut then when it was sold to the dealer it had been returned to stock...hence the weld which has since rotted into two pieces!)
What do you think?
BTW, Fast Larry's FAQ can be seen here.....
http://www.portablepct.com/fastlarry/banditfaq.htm
Though the poor man's ignition advancer photo is gone.
-
Anyone?
Im itching to get drilling!
-
I can't see your link picure without registering with the other site...
Remember, you want to enlarge the hole into a "slot", not make a bigger round hole.
I have not done this mod, but as others have said, a small round file of the correct diameter looks like the ticket to me.
-
I didnt realise the picture didnt show if your not registered.
This one should work
http://www.triplextoy.co.uk/290-ignitiontimingplate.jpg
-
It would seem that those of you who have made this modification must move move to a higher octane gasoline to avoid knocking. I use 87 currently.
Up here in Beaverland gasoline has been a high tax cash cow for the government. The difference in Hi/Lo test is 10+ cents a Litre, (approx 40+ cents a US gallon).
Will 87 still work with this modification?
Just Wunderin
-
I did the Po Mans mod a couple of years ago, along with K&N Pods, and Holeshot stage 2, and have been running 87 ever since with no problems.
-
BTW, Fast Larry's FAQ can be seen here.....
http://www.portablepct.com/fastlarry/banditfaq.htm
Though the poor man's ignition advancer photo is gone.
That's cuz you're looking at the wrong page on Fast Larry's site. The link you want is this one:
http://www.portablepct.com/fastlarry/bandit_tips.htm
Scroll to the bottom for the poor man's advancer.
BTW, the one hole will be very close to breaking out, as you can see in the pic.
(http://www.portablepct.com/fastlarry/ignitionplate.jpg)
And FWIW, you shouldn't need to change the grade of your fuel from this mod. At least I haven't. (I'm not running the poor man's advancer, but a store bought one.)
-
Yea I have been running it for a while now, and i have no problems at all with running 87. I got mine from holeshot, but a 5 degree advancer is a 5 degree advancer.......