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GENERAL MOTORCYCLE FORUMS => GENERAL MECHANICAL & TECHNICAL => Topic started by: ZenMan on May 03, 2007, 04:54:28 PM
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<EDITED> to save space
Info on B1250 headlight adjustment and replacement has been moved and can be found here:
http://forums.banditalley.net/viewtopic.php?t=9347
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Just ordered an Eiko 100w H7 Super White for the high beam yesterday from BikeBandit.com for $12.55 + $4.00 shipping. It has a metal base. We'll see how it works out when it gets here.
http://tinyurl.com/2gxv29
They also have black 4-point cargo net bunjees for $1.99 each... got two of 'em. :bandit:
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I didn't look at the headlights that closely in the hubbub of the Cycle World show, but what a great improvement. I totally HATE the Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes (may god rest her soul) look of the old B12 when the high-beam is off.
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Just seems a little puzzling they chose a 55w high beam.
It would be interesting if someone can get a 2G and a newer Bandit together for some night shots of headlight pattern and brightness for a comparison.
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Just seems a little puzzling they chose a 55w high beam.
The best I can figure is the reflector design with both bulbs combined does make a pretty bright beam... many folks may be happy with it stock. I'm just upgrading because I have absolutely horrible night vision.
It would be interesting if someone can get a 2G and a newer Bandit together for some night shots of headlight pattern and brightness for a comparison.
I'm up for it. :bandit:
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It would be interesting if someone can get a 2G and a newer Bandit together for some night shots of headlight pattern and brightness for a comparison.
I'm up for it. :bandit:
Now we just need a volunteer to meet up with you that has a 2G Bandit S with unmolested headlights.
(Leaves me out.) :wink:
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It would be interesting if someone can get a 2G and a newer Bandit together for some night shots of headlight pattern and brightness for a comparison.
I'm up for it. :bandit:
Now we just need a volunteer to meet up with you that has a 2G Bandit S with unmolested headlights.
(Leaves me out.) :wink:
Whatsamatter... scared you'll lose the headlight race? :lol:
Just kidding... I can always just pop the stock bulb back in, but yours is modified beyond return, isn't it? :bandit:
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No, Bazza modded his beyond return with the Hella mod, but I can go back.
If I ever wanted sucky headlights back. :wink:
I just pulled the reflectors and installed HIR bulbs like the Dodge Vipers (and a few other cars) use. One tab on each bulb must be trimmed to fit in the socket, but that's quick and easy. So far, haven't needed to change any HIR bulbs though.
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Well, the new bulb arrived yesterday... fast shipping!
Haven't messed with the H7 bulbs on a bike before, so when I removed the high beam I was suprised to see that the hard plastic "bakelight" base is an adapter... the old bulb pops off and you plug in the new one and put the whole thing back in the socket and snap the wire clip back on.
Except the blades on the new bulb were a hair too long, so I touched them up on the grinder (careful not to touch the bulb) and it worked fine.
Can't ride yet but I fired 'er up and flipped the high beam on and it really lit the shop up! I left it running for about ten minutes to see if the wires or base would heat up... nothing. Looks like it's gonna work.
BTW... the cargo nets are 6-point, not 4-point... pretty nice for only $1.99 each. :motorsmile:
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Just seems a little puzzling they chose a 55w high beam.
It would be interesting if someone can get a 2G and a newer Bandit together for some night shots of headlight pattern and brightness for a comparison.
I can do it since I have both at the moment.
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:thumb: Looking forward to some night-time comparison pics.
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well here is what I could do in the garage, i will try and get my bud to ride the B12 out with me and we can do some back road comparisons.
For the record both my bikes are completely stock and no adjustments for beam placement have been made.
Both bikes on low beam.
(http://photos.imageevent.com/turbo/bandit/websize/IMGA0283.JPG)
Both bikes on HB
(http://photos.imageevent.com/turbo/bandit/websize/IMGA0284.JPG)
B12.5 on low beam
(http://photos.imageevent.com/turbo/bandit/websize/IMGA0285.JPG)
B12 on Low
(http://photos.imageevent.com/turbo/bandit/websize/IMGA0287.JPG)
B12.5 on HB
(http://photos.imageevent.com/turbo/bandit/websize/IMGA0289.JPG)
B12 on HB
(http://photos.imageevent.com/turbo/bandit/websize/IMGA0288.JPG)
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He hee! In the first two pics, the B12.5 headlight looks like a Mickey Mouse head! :lol:
Man, it's kinda hard to tell anything from the pics... the B12.5 looks slightly whiter and wider, but that could be because it's new.
What were your impressions?
Is there any way you could point them both at a flat, feaureless surface at night? For instance, if you had them outside pointed at your closed garage door?
Might make a better pic that way.
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Is there any way you could point them both at a flat, feaureless surface at night? For instance, if you had them outside pointed at your closed garage door?
Might make a better pic that way.
+1 :thumb:
Kinda like this comparison of a 2G B12 with blockers removed and HIR bulbs (on the left) vs a 2G with stock lights (on the right), both dim:
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d35/paulweit/DSCNAbothDim.jpg)
Both on bright:
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d35/paulweit/DSCNAbothBright.jpg)
HIR's on dim, stock lights on bright:
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d35/paulweit/DSCNAdimBright.jpg)
:bandit:
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I will try again.
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The head-on shots are good! I really like how the 1250 lights up the street right down to the tire!
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I had the opportunity to ride my new Bandit at night for the first time and let me tell you that bright light ain't gonna cut it. I don't want to do all the grinding that Zeeman did but somethings gotta give... Any body have any ideas about it. I would really apprecaite some help here... Banditone1250s...
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I don't want to do all the grinding that Zeeman did
"All the grinding"?
Except the blades on the new bulb were a hair too long, so I touched them up on the grinder (careful not to touch the bulb) and it worked fine.
Sorry if I gave the wrong impression... :roll:
I took off about 1 millimeter from the end of the tabs. It took 30 seconds.
The bulb would have worked fine without "all the grinding", :lol: but it wasn't flush and it bugged me.
A headlight upgrade can't get much easier, and you won't find a dealer willing to plug in an illegal bulb for you... but good luck!
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My subjective observations about the newest headlight setup
(since my '06 B12 has the same fairing/headlight setup as the 1250):
AA) low beam is AIMED too low. Brightness is acceptable...to me. Even with a buncha stuff on the back for camping, etc., loading down the rear end the beam is aimed wayyyy too low for highway riding. I've just been too lazy to do anything about it....yet....cuz I don't do any night riding as a normal thing. Gotta get that sorted before the PNW II ride at the end of the month.....just in case.
BB) high beam is also, of course, aimed too low as per above.
Brightness could be better but it's not unacceptable as-is, IMO.....if you're not exceeding 100 km/hr (60MPH).
I've been toying with the idea of installing a couple of PIAA projector lights on the bottom panel of the fairing. I've seen this done on 2 local G2 Bandits and it's a nice clean installation and very unobtrusive. They would work in conjunction with:
AA) high beam for the left side PIAA to put light further out the centre line and left side of my lane
BB) low beam and high beam for the right side PIAA to put more light on the shoulder and down the right side of my lane.
The PIAA's are pretty pricey but I can get 'em at cost so the wallet-hit will be acceptable. I'm trying to convince myself I really need them because I honestly don't do enough night riding to justify such an expenditure of cash and labour.
However, I suppose the first time I was far from home and it was a "dark & stormy night" I'd probably appreciate them a LOT more. :wink:
Well, we'll have to see.....figuratively and literally.... :lol:
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Rick... why don't you just adjust the headlight? It's so easy a caveman could do it! :bandit:
All you need is the 5mm allen wrench from the toolkit.
Reach up under the left front of the fairing, you'll feel a round button-like deal with a allen-head screw in the middle. That's the adjuster.
Just stick the wrench in the screw and turn. Took mine about 4 turns. 3 minutes. Made a huge difference.
I think they all came really low from the factory.
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Zenman, have you had any trouble with the additional "heat" from the 100 watt bulb? I was told that there may be a chance that the 100 watt bulb may get hot enough to melt the plastic casing that holds the bulb socket. Any truth to that, if not long enough with the bulb yet, let me know if there is a problem with the additional heat. Thanks...Banditone1250s...
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Heat is a valid concern, I think the wiring itself would be more of a trouble spot than the plastic melting.
But as I said, I let the bike idle for at least ten minutes on hi-beam, reaching my hand around and feeling for any hot spots on the wiring, housing, plug, lens, plastic, etc... I didn't feel any heat that would come close to melting anything. I could easily rest my hand and fingers anywhere without any "ouchies".
Of course, I need to test it on a longer ride at night, with the hi-beam on constantly to be sure. I'll let you know when that happens... but I don't forsee any problems as of yet. :wink:
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That's the main reason that I asked, is that I ride with my headlights on high beam at all times. Some times these "cagers" around here want to act like they are blind and I have to make sure that they see me soon enough. That is also another reason that I wanted to upgrade to the 100 watt bulb. To be seen safely and early. I appreciate the tips on the fact that you actually used your fingers to test for heat and if you could do that, except on a long ride that is, I think that it would probably be okay...Banditone1250s... :clap:
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Hey, I don't want any melt-downs either! :roll:
I usually ride on lo-beam, and use my "passing" button to strobe-flash any potential threats, such as cars waiting to pull out or turn in front of me.
In case you didn't know, the "pass" button is the one on the front of the left handlebar control pod... I believe it's yellow. It's a momentary switch that activates both beams while depressed... it goes back to just lo-beam when you release it. :wink:
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Yep, Zenman, like most things in life, I've just gotta get "around to it". :lol: :lol: :lol:
Of course this requires that I fire the bike up and go for a ride some dark night (when my wife likes/expects me to be snuggled up with her in bed) out to some place where the road is trafficless...but flat and long....and then mess with the adjuster screw until I'm happy. Then ride back to town taking note of how many people flash me THEIR brights, even though I'm on low-beam. Then backing off the adjuster screw how many turn(s) ???
It's just one of those ugly little boring jobs that has to be done.....eventually. Believe me, if I rode at night a lot, I'd have had this sorted out LAST season, already. :lol: :lol:
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Or, you could just shine it against the wall or garage door in the daytime, turn the adjust one turn up, and then the next time you ride at night, see how it looks. If it's still too low, then turn it another turn in the daytime again, and check it again next time you go out at night. Eventually it'll be just right, :motorsmile:
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Heat is a valid concern, I think the wiring itself would be more of a trouble spot than the plastic melting.
Of course, I need to test it on a longer ride at night, with the hi-beam on constantly to be sure. I'll let you know when that happens... but I don't forsee any problems as of yet. :wink:
Hey Z, have you been able to get out on that longer night ride yet? We're all waiting for your latest report on any potential heat issues with your new bulb.
Sky
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Heat is a valid concern, I think the wiring itself would be more of a trouble spot than the plastic melting.
Of course, I need to test it on a longer ride at night, with the hi-beam on constantly to be sure. I'll let you know when that happens... but I don't forsee any problems as of yet. :wink:
Hey Z, have you been able to get out on that longer night ride yet? We're all waiting for your latest report on any potential heat issues with your new bulb.
Sky
No night rides yet, but like I said in the PM I sent you, I rode 100 miles or so with the hi-beam on. I stopped every 20-30 miles and felt around everywhere, but didn't find any problems.
I'm satisfied with it. I've used 100w hi-beams in various configurations and quite a few motorcycles, the only problem I had was an old Norton with the freaking Lucas electrical system. I would hope our friends in the UK will have learned better by now... :wink: :bandit: