Bandit Alley
GENERAL MOTORCYCLE FORUMS => GENERAL MECHANICAL & TECHNICAL => Topic started by: Kent Bandit on April 20, 2006, 09:18:34 AM
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Hi All,
1st.post on this site and I need some help please guys. Situation is this - Last year I had the Oil Cooler nicked from my Bandit 600 (2001) while it was parked on my drive ! :duh: I left the bike minus oil cooler through the winter, partly as I tend not the use it much during the winter months and partly because I had to raise the money to buy a new one.
Picked up oil cooler at Ali Palace bike show :lol: - fitted said cooler and filled with oil. Battery was removed over Winter (Alarm would have drained it anyway) so fully recharged and put back onto bike.
Situation now - ALL the electrics work ie lights, horn, alarm BUT the starter switch does nothing! I have noted the following - When the Ignition is switched on with key there is no self check of the Speedo/Tacho and although I can find Neutral the Green light is not on. Checked all fuses under seat, Clutch is engaged, Stand up Etc. - :banghead: - Any ideas please !!!
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:annoy: Well, I'm no help, you tried what I was thinking... Maybe a starter wire connection short or fuse somewhere in the harness...
dunno :duh:
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Hi Mike
Thanks for the speedy reply - you get to thinking that you are overlooking something the more you try and work it out, a bit like not seeing the wood for the trees so to speak. I think you'll agree that we have tried all the obvious things but I must admit I did wonder if there was another fuse hidden soewhere that I don't know about.
Thanks for replying. :thanks:
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I almost hate to ask, but is the handlebar shut off switch off?
On the 2002 & later, there is a shut off switch on the throttle side. If this is off, my bike acts like yours. (Don't ask how long it took me to find this)
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How is your battery. A battery can have enough juice for the lights but not enough for the starter, you may have a dead cell or two. Try a jump start or have the battery tested.
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It could also be that over the winter the clutch safety is sticky. Blast it wiith WD-40 then try. Pushhing the starter button and not even having a click is a sign that A. A fuse is blown. B. One of the safeties or the engine switch is switched to "off" or C. Corroded wires. I would say b is your culprit if your fusess are good.
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I'm hoping some other parts didn't get nicked as well :duh:
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Hi Guys :grin:
Thanks for the suggestions
pmackie - I forgot to mention the possibility of the shut off switch in my 1st.post but it is not this little devil that is causing the trouble, thanks though :wink:
tacoman - Good suggestion about the battery, I am only assuming that it is OK as it seemed to be fully charged, I'll try jumping the Bandit this weekend :pukey:
rider123 - Another good suggestion, I am assuming, yet again, that all the safety devices are working as they are suppost to - I'll try spurting the Bandit with good old WD40 this weekend :bigok:
chupacabra - Now you've got me thinking ...... Oh boy I hope they haven't nicked any other bits of my beloved ride!! :duh:
Happy Riding Guys
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Situation now - ALL the electrics work ie lights, horn, alarm BUT the starter switch does nothing! I have noted the following - When the Ignition is switched on with key there is no self check of the Speedo/Tacho and although I can find Neutral the Green light is not on. Checked all fuses under seat, Clutch is engaged, Stand up Etc. - :banghead: - Any ideas please !!!
No neutral light and no self-test of the clocks?
How about the blue light for the high beam and the red one for oil pressure?
If a jump doesn't fix it, I'm leaning toward an electrical problem.
I don't know how much power it takes for the clocks to do their test, but the idiot lights on your bike, a 2G, are LEDs and they don't take much power at all... though they may be more sensitive to full system voltage (I don't know for sure though).
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I would check for 12v+ on the signal wire to the starter solenoid. If no power, my next guess would be a faulty interlock switch. I would then check for power through the clutch lockout and the sidestand lockout. I dont have a wiring diagram so I'm not sure if power comes from the ignition switches and goes directly through the lockouts before passing through the starter button.
Blue
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I went through this a month ago. Woke up early to ride with some buds, everything looked fine, turned key hit the ignition button/switch and nothing.
I procedded to check all fuses, there fine, then battery, even swapped battery out, still nothing. Bump started it, and rode for 30 mins to a buds house, killed it, and nothing. So I guess its not a charging problem.
Onto the relay I took off the plastics, and when removing the yellow wire, it accidently touched the red/ to the battery and tried to start. From then on I just used that wire and started the bike by touching the yellow wire to the battery. during that time I ordered a relay. days later got a new relay, tried it out, and NOPE. Anyhow practically given up, I was debating adding a switch to the partial hotwire under the seat.
Anyhow during chain adjustment yeasterday, my friend noticed a disconnected plug under the clutch cable. Reconnected that and voila, all works.
Check to make sure thats connected, that sure would be an easy fix.
If it ends up being a Relay, I got one extra, because there non-refundable. So if it ends up being a relay PM me..
hopefully this advice heps a little, I don't know much about this(obviously) but I tried my vbest to eliminate the options. I never realised a plug on the oposite end of the ignition had anything todo with it.
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Situation now - ALL the electrics work ie lights, horn, alarm BUT the starter switch does nothing! I have noted the following - When the Ignition is switched on with key there is no self check of the Speedo/Tacho and although I can find Neutral the Green light is not on. Checked all fuses under seat, Clutch is engaged, Stand up Etc. - :banghead: - Any ideas please !!!
No neutral light and no self-test of the clocks?
How about the blue light for the high beam and the red one for oil pressure?
If a jump doesn't fix it, I'm leaning toward an electrical problem.
I don't know how much power it takes for the clocks to do their test, but the idiot lights on your bike, a 2G, are LEDs and they don't take much power at all... though they may be more sensitive to full system voltage (I don't know for sure though).
I'm begining to think along the same lines as you Paul, maybe that dreaded solder joints in the loom behind the fairing, seems to be a common thing on all bandits and a few GSXR's I've worked on.
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Hi Everyone,
Here is the update on this ongoing saga of the Non starting Bandit. :boohoo:
I have tried all the suggestions so far which are listed below:-
Shut off switch is definately on.
Jump starting from another battery does not work.
WD 40 on the Clutch changed nothing.
Only fuses I can find are all in good order.
I have checked to see if anything else was nicked at the same time, but I am sure it was only the cooler that they took.
To answer Red01 - there are no High beam lighs or red Oil pressure lights either.
My next step is to try Icychaos suggestion and I am going to scrutinise the clutch assembly for that little plug that may be hanging in mid air and also see if wire from the relay unit will start the bike if shorted to the battery.
Thanks everyone for your input it is a great help. :beers:
Red 01 - I'll let you know about the relay, thanks for the offer.
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Bingo.
Under your fairing is a loom thats you are going to have to have a good look at. In this loom are 2 lots of soldered joints. one of which is going to be corrided, or even burnt out. Strip back wires rejoin and solder.
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Red 01 - I'll let you know about the relay, thanks for the offer.
:duh: That was IcyChaos that offered up the relay. :duh:
:stickpoke: :stickpoke: :stickpoke:
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Hi Red01,
I knew that of course, just testing! Not having a good day that's my excuse. :duh:
Correction - Icychaos thanks for the offer I'll let you know.
Have Fun,
Paul.
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have you tried bump starting it with a friend?? No its probably not good for the engine if you do it alot, but it will help you figure out if its will start. If it does start, ride it for 30 minutes, and then park it where you want it, turn it off, sand try to restart. This will help to see if its charging itself.
Also you should try to touch the wire from the relay to the battery. Make sure its in neutral, and the bike is on. It should start. That bypasses the Relay. If it doesn't start its either the battery,a fuse, or starter motor (I believe).
I could fish the relay out near the left side plastics, without taking off the plastics. But if you do have to remove the plastics on the rear it really is simple. I have done it a few times already to figure out my starting issue. BTW there is a 30AMP fuse in the relay you should check.
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Hi Icychaos,
Thanks for the further info - If I can get hold of someone this weekend I'll try bumping it - I hope I don't drop the dam thing they are pretty heavy to pick up once they are down! :rant2: and I didn't know about the 30 amp fuse in the relay either - we will see what the weekend brings.
Have a good weekend,