Bandit Alley

GENERAL MOTORCYCLE FORUMS => GENERAL MECHANICAL & TECHNICAL => Topic started by: Barbarian on September 17, 2007, 12:18:16 AM

Title: first ride in two weeks... and it sounds different
Post by: Barbarian on September 17, 2007, 12:18:16 AM
I just got back from two weeks in the UK, and hopped on the Bandit for a ride.

I had no problems starting, although it did take a long time to warm up, but my bike sounds noticeably different. It's like there's an extra, higher note to the normal throaty noise the engine makes. Kinda like a two note chord adding a third note.

I'm not sure if it's caused by a different pair of earplugs, the weather, or something gumming up during a two week stint parked in a garage. I'm going to switch back to my other earplugs and hear if that makes a difference.
Title: first ride in two weeks... and it sounds different
Post by: Red01 on September 17, 2007, 12:20:23 AM
Gas shouldn't go noticeably bad in just two weeks.
Title: first ride in two weeks... and it sounds different
Post by: Barbarian on September 19, 2007, 11:16:18 AM
I quite agree.
Took it out for another ride in cold temps, and after about 30 minutes of going through the city it finally started to sound normal again, and the response at low RPMs got back to normal.

It was cold, but it does not take half an hour for a bike to warm up at 10 degrees Celsius. At a guess something in a cylinder/sparkplug burned off during this ride, which didn't happen the first time I had it out. Maybe a spider crawled in and finally got toasted ;)
Title: first ride in two weeks... and it sounds different
Post by: ZenMan on September 19, 2007, 02:35:43 PM
Have you torqued your exhaust header bolts?

Just a thought, it's a good idea to check them after the first few K's anyway...  :wink:
Title: first ride in two weeks... and it sounds different
Post by: Barbarian on September 21, 2007, 11:04:28 AM
Would you believe I don't own a torque wrench? I should probably get one, eh.

Looks like they're on sale at Canadian Tire this week... so I'll pick one up this afternoon...


But I have no idea what the torque specs for the various nuts and bolts are anyway.
Title: first ride in two weeks... and it sounds different
Post by: Red01 on September 21, 2007, 02:26:43 PM
They're in the service manuals... see the Member's Section if you don't have one.
Title: first ride in two weeks... and it sounds different
Post by: Barbarian on September 22, 2007, 10:38:10 PM
I've checked through the Members forum, but so far as I can tell, none of the manuals have valid links. (and no one's got a 650 manual anyway...)

Oh, but checking Haynes, I see they now cover the 2006 Bandit 650, so I'll pick up a copy if I can find it anywhere...
Title: first ride in two weeks... and it sounds different
Post by: Blade on September 30, 2007, 03:43:32 PM
If I remember correctly, the exhaust bolts torque to 18ft lbs.
Title: first ride in two weeks... and it sounds different
Post by: Barbarian on October 04, 2007, 12:55:59 AM
I have ordered a manual, and should have it next week.

and 18 ft lbs? Yeesh, the torque wrenchs I've looked at only go down to 20...
Title: first ride in two weeks... and it sounds different
Post by: Red01 on October 04, 2007, 10:28:47 AM
Quote from: "Barbarian"
and 18 ft lbs? Yeesh, the torque wrenchs I've looked at only go down to 20...


Get one in inch pounds and do a little math with the number 12.  :wink:  :lol:

Harbor Freight (don't know if they'll ship to Canadia) also has a 3/8 drive clicker they say goes from 0-80 ft/lbs for $19.99 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=807)

If you don't wanna do the math, HF has a 3/8 drive electronic one that reads in in/lb, ft/lb, Nm, cm/kg & m/kg in a 16-80 ft-lb range for $79.99 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=95840)

Sears (US)has a 3/8 drive 25-250 in/lb one in 1 in/lb increments  (http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00944593000P?vName=Tools&keyword=torque+wrench) (2.08 - 20.83 ft/lb) - currently on sale in the US for $69.99 ($10 off regular price). Customer review avareage 3 out of 5 stars though.

Sears also has a 3/8 drive 10-75 ft/lb one in 0.5 ft/lb increments (http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00944594000P?vName=Tools&keyword=torque+wrench) for the same price... but this wrench gets very poor (1 star) reviews.

(Neither of these torque wrenches show up on Sears' Canadian site (http://www.sears.ca/gp/search/103-9796323-6680609?field-keywords=torque+wrench&search-alias=marketplace&node=15858301&rh=n%3A15858301%2Ck%3Atorque+wrench&rank=-price&size=12) though.)

OH! And a Canadian exclusive,  Canadian Tire has a 25-250 in/lb one (http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=1408474396672989&bmUID=1191504548902&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524443289969&assortment=primary&fromSearch=true) on sale today for $39.99 (reg 69.99) with a 5 star rating.  :motorsmile:
Title: first ride in two weeks... and it sounds different
Post by: Barbarian on October 04, 2007, 11:40:55 AM
Obviously I'm missing something here, either because I grew up metric, because my physics classes only covered optics and electricity, or because I've never had a discussion about torque in my life...

But if 18 foot pounds is the same as 216 foot pounds, then I'm going back to Cdn tire to pick up that wrench -- which I spotted last week
 :duh:
Title: first ride in two weeks... and it sounds different
Post by: Red01 on October 04, 2007, 02:48:52 PM
Better head on over to Cdn Tire.  :clap:
Title: first ride in two weeks... and it sounds different
Post by: Barbarian on October 04, 2007, 07:16:27 PM
Even better! Cdn Tire has a $10 off coupon on their website.
So that'll be $50 off a torque wrench. Sweet!
Title: Re: first ride in two weeks... and it sounds different
Post by: Rocketjock on November 15, 2007, 10:15:38 PM
I know you meant ft/lb and in/lb. but getting back to the origional question, I've noticed that Bandits are particularly tempermental in weather. As the weather changed from summer, so did the running and sound of my bike. In Britain they have carb warmers. Maybe we should have that up here too.
Title: Re: first ride in two weeks... and it sounds different
Post by: Pidgey on December 23, 2007, 01:08:18 AM
Even better! Cdn Tire has a $10 off coupon on their website.
So that'll be $50 off a torque wrench. Sweet!

Man, good luck buying tools at crappy Tire. I tried once and all the wrenches et cetera are all locked up in this big freakin' cage. After wasting about half an hour trying to find somebody who had keys or even gave a crap I left, vowing never to return. :annoy:

http://www.houseoftools.com (http://www.houseoftools.com) is much better.
Title: Re: first ride in two weeks... and it sounds different
Post by: Barbarian on December 24, 2007, 05:05:47 PM
Whenever I walk into a store and I know what I want, I walk straight up to someone, get them to lead me around to find everything, then I thank 'em.

Sometimes they even work for the store too!