Author Topic: 2007 Euro Bandit (Read 11045 times)

Bazza · « **Reply #30 on:** October 06, 2006, 05:14:38 PM »

Here are some specs on the 2007 B-12 from Motards online.

New Engine
All new, liquid-cooled, fuel injected, DOHC engine featuring a bore and stroke of 79.0mm x 64.0mm for a full 1254.8cc's of torque producing performance.
New Suzuki Dual Throttle Valve fuel injection system featuring 36mm throttle bodies for optimum performance and smooth accelerations.
All new engine compact engine design with a central cam chain, staggered transmission shafts, tighter spacing between the pairs of cylinders and a secondary balancer shaft for reduced vibration.
A new catalyzer equipped high volume muffler combined with an effective engine management system, Suzuki PAIR system, and oxygen sensor for reduced emissions meeting tough Euro 3 standards.
Suzuki Idle Speed Control (ISC) system for improved cold starting, consistent idle control and reduced emissions.
A new slick shifting six speed transmission improves acceleration while reducing top gear rpm at highway speeds.
New hydraulic clutch with coil springs for improved lever feel and control.
New liquid cooled oil cooler for reduced oil temperatures.
All new cylinder head featuring 31mm exhaust valves and 27mm intake valves set at a narrow 16 degree valve angle with updated intake and exhaust ports for maximum flow.

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New Chassis
New Anti-Lock Braking (ABS) monitors wheel speed and matches braking power to available traction.
New tube frame chassis featuring larger diameter down tubes for improved torsional rigidity designed for excellent balance of sporty handling and comfortable highway cruising.
Innovative seat height adjustment system can be adjusted up or down by 20mm with a simple spacer seat mounting system.
43mm front forks combined with a single rear shock with preload adjustability for riding with or without passengers.
Full floating 310mm dual front disc brakes with four piston calipers along with a 240mm rear disc and single piston caliper. Anti-Lock Braking (ABS) is also available and monitors wheel speed and matches braking power to available traction.
Cast three spoke aluminum wheels carrying radial tires and a standard easy-to-use centerstand.
The Bandit 1250S features a sleek half fairing, with built in line-beam headlights, an effective windscreen and fairing mounted mirrors.

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Specs
Engine: 1254.8cc, four-stroke, 4-cylinder, DOHC 16 valve, liquid cooled
Bore Stroke: 79.0 x 64.0 mm
Compression Ratio: 10.5:1
Fuel System: Fuel Injection
Lubrication: Wet sump
Ignition: Digital/Transistorizedg
Transmission: 5-speed
Final Drive: #530 chain
Overall Length: 2,130 mm (83.9 in)
Overall Width: 790 mm (31.1 in)
Overall Height: 1,225 mm (48.2 in) -- bandit 1250: 1.095 mm (43.1 in)
Seat Height: 790mm/810 mm (31.1/31.9 in) 2 way adjustable
Ground Clearance: 130 mm (5.1 in.)
Wheelbase: 1480 mm (58.3 in.)
Dry Weight: 225kg/496lbs (ABS 229kg/505lbs) -- bandit 1250: 222kg/489lbs (ABS 226kg/498lbs)
Suspension Front: Telescopic, oil damped, preload adjustable
Suspension Rear: Link-type suspension, 7-way adjustable preload, 4-way adjustable rebound
Brakes Front: Dual 310mm hydraulic disc 4 pistons callipers
Brakes Rear: Single 240mm hydraulic disc 2 pistons calliper
Tires Front: 120/70 ZR17
Tires Rear: 180/55 ZR17
Fuel Tank Capacity: 19 liter (5.0 gal)
Color: Black, Red

LowRyter · « **Reply #31 on:** October 06, 2006, 10:36:56 PM »

that chart shows the same power as the old Bandit...I hope we can get the 130 HP that was talked about...........

Cryptoman · « **Reply #32 on:** October 06, 2006, 10:58:31 PM »

130 at the crank ought to give 115 or so at the rear wheel I would think. That would be 10-15 over the B12, the least you would expect from a displacement bump and liquid cooling. I'll bet that new motor has real potential. It's probably hamstrung by the Euro III requirements. I hope they have one at Biketoberfest.

Bazza · « **Reply #33 on:** October 07, 2006, 03:37:25 AM »

It indeed shows the new Engine puts out the same HP, but earlier on in the RPM range. On the same site they have the 650 Bandit showing a larger HP gain. However the numbers are missing from both charts.

I am sure that the new bikes arrriving in the USA will be hamstrung by the same emission standards.

So from what we can tell here, the Bandit got an extra 40 lbs, less vibes, ABS & no HP. (jeese Suzuki, I am really impressed!)

I was over on Max Suzuki & Dale from Holeshot implied he will have one. It will be interesting to see what he says on his comparisson. He stated on the thread over there that he will let us know just as soon as his new Bandit is broke in.

No so far, the only place I have seen claiming the 130 hp is the same site that this chart came from. From what I can see, they would also have to claim that the old engine produced 130 hp which we know is not the case.

I am thinking they may have made the 130 hp claim based only on their dyno results which we all know can be very misleading. The comparrison numbers they did, I think speak for themselves.

PaulVS · « **Reply #34 on:** October 07, 2006, 10:49:17 AM »

Even if it's not 130 stock... with that kind of engine I don't think there will be much difficulty getting an extra 15 (or so) ponies out of it with full aftermarket exhaust and a FI re-map.

I seriously don't see how they could make a water-cooled, fuel injected, 1250cc, 4 cylinder motorcycle that wasn't at least 120hp.

LowRyter · « **Reply #35 on:** October 07, 2006, 11:29:05 AM »

You might be right, but the chart would indicate that engine has milder cams & no more compression. With the water cooled engine you'd expect it would have a lot more compression than the oil cooled engine.

One deal with the Bandit. I understand the Euro laws have a 100 HP horsepower tax, that's why the Bandit is a little corked up on power but has considerable torque in the power range. Obvioiulsy, Suzuki corked the power with the muffler.

Whether the new engine is that easy to fix is the question. The good news is that some of the fuel injection systems can be remapped, or there maytbe be a hidden map or "wire", that can be adjsuted & unload a bunch of power.

we'll just have to see.

Quote from: PaulVS

Even if it's not 130 stock... with that kind of engine I don't think there will be much difficulty getting an extra 15 (or so) ponies out of it with full aftermarket exhaust and a FI re-map.

I seriously don't see how they could make a water-cooled, fuel injected, 1250cc, 4 cylinder motorcycle that wasn't at least 120hp.

Bezzer · « **Reply #36 on:** October 07, 2006, 08:04:29 PM »

Quote from: LowRyter

One deal with the Bandit. I understand the Euro laws have a 100 HP horsepower tax

Nope, just France

has a 100bhp maximum. Everyone else gets full power versions with no tax loading or whatever.

LowRyter · « **Reply #37 on:** October 08, 2006, 02:43:00 AM »

The Bandit is 100hp bike in all markets. That's why you get a 10ph boost with muffler.

Quote from: Bezzer

Quote from: LowRyter

One deal with the Bandit. I understand the Euro laws have a 100 HP horsepower tax

Nope, just France has a 100bhp maximum. Everyone else gets full power versions with no tax loading or whatever.

Bezzer · « **Reply #38 on:** October 08, 2006, 05:10:28 PM »

I know what hp the Bandit puts out but that wasn't the question

, you said there was a Euro law taxing bikes over 100hp, there isn't.

Bazza · « **Reply #39 on:** October 08, 2006, 09:43:34 PM »

Quote from: Bezzer

I know what hp the Bandit puts out but that wasn't the question , you said there was a Euro law taxing bikes over 100hp, there isn't.

Bezzer.

Do insurance rates go up with HP increases?

I did have some German speaking tourist tell me it was very expensive to insure a lager displacement bike where he came from this summer. (I can't recall where he was from though!)

I am sure there would not be a "Europe wide" tax as there are many different countries in Europe.

banditII · « **Reply #40 on:** October 10, 2006, 11:54:45 AM »

It would be disappointing if the new bandito has no hp increase and gains weight, but the fuel injection and ABS are welcome, to me. The new motor is uglier than the old, but that's the price for liquid cooling I guess.

Cryptoman · « **Reply #41 on:** October 13, 2006, 12:49:39 PM »

It must be the 2007 1250 GT, but is that accessory bodywork? I wouldn't mind having the color-matched luggage, but what's the point of the minimalist lower fairing? It doesn't look like it adds any wind protection and only makes maintenance more difficult.

Kickstart · « **Reply #42 on:** October 15, 2006, 06:14:21 PM »

Hi

UK used to have a voluntary 125hp limit. France has a 100hp limit. Germany (I think) has a 100hp insurance grouping after which premiums go up rapidly.

All the best

Keith

banditII · « **Reply #43 on:** October 20, 2006, 09:53:48 PM »

Just checked Suzuki's website. The new 1250 Bandit is indeed coming to the U.S. Even the ABS version.

Warren

Bazza · « **Reply #44 on:** November 07, 2006, 12:07:31 AM »

My Dealer informed me on the weekend that the ABS model will be retailing for $10,500.00 Canadian Dollars. Last years 2006 B-12 (the one you didn't get in the US) could be had for $8300.00.