Bandit Alley
GENERAL MOTORCYCLE FORUMS => GENERAL MOTORCYCLE => Topic started by: PaulVS on September 22, 2006, 11:34:35 AM
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2007 Suzuki GSF1250s...
(http://www.raptorsandrockets.com/images/Suzuki/2007_Suzuki_GSF1250SA_Bandi.jpg)[/url]
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Looks great!
jim
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Where is it going to end!!! 1800cc but won't keep up witha 600?
(http://www.raptorsandrockets.com/images/Suzuki/Suzuki_GSR1800_r.JPG)
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Forget the GSR, we are also getting the B-King at last, bit diluted compared to the prototype a couple of years ago but it's a step in the right direction
(http://hometown.aol.co.uk/Mickcbr1100/Bking.jpg)
http://www.suzuki-gb.co.uk/article.asp?id=679
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are any of these real?
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Yep the water cooled/FI Bandit and B-King were unveiled at the Paris bike show as 07 models and are also on the Suzuki GB site.
http://www.suzuki-gb.co.uk/article.asp?id=679
We get them them both in the UK, don't know if you deserve them on your side of the pond as you didn't bother with the 06 Bandit :grin:
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Why wouldn't we deserve them? Just because half of our market is crotch rockers and the other half crusiers?
Yeah it sucks.
I thought the B-King or GSR was suppose to be the replacement for the bandit?
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Whoa, water cooled AND fuel injected? Ill take one in blue, sans ABS. Where do I sign???????????
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I want one oh so badly! :crybaby:
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Will be very interesting bike I think. The engine cases look very different to the current GSXR... Maybe a new engine? Hopefully they tune it as a Bandit should be, lots of low down grunt, and lots of torque everywhere.
And I have ridden the latest GSXR's, the injection is impossible for me to fault around town, hopefully this will be as good!
Can't wait - they should bring it to Oz - to see and ride one!!!
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it's real? Man, am glad I passed on the new FZ-1. I wanna see it.
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the Bandit looks like a modern continuation. So what engine is in it? Is it a water cooled cylinder on the old Bandit engine? Is is a sleeved down 'busa, then why the Bking?
More importantly, will we get performance out of that thing? Is it a hooligan bike or poor man's Beemer? (I hope it's both).
It's not quite as styled as an FZ-1, but I am hopful it has most of the performance and more all round use.
Hope they make them in RED.
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2007 Suzuki GSF1250s...
(http://www.raptorsandrockets.com/images/Suzuki/2007_Suzuki_GSF1250SA_Bandi.jpg)[/url]
Looks like a KZ1300 engine from the late '70s/early '80s. Glad to see Suzuki keeping up...
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y297/DesolationAngels/Emoticons/HavinASmoke.gif)
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lmario asked me to pick up this magazine:
(http://www.moto-journal.fr/images/boutique/couv/mj1728p2.gif)
But for some reason, the local newstand didn't have it. But they did have this one:
(http://www.motorevue.com/image/sommaire/sommaire/zoom/sommaire_865_zoom.jpg)
So I bought it Friday.
Then when I was out today, I saw Moto-Journal, so I leafed thru it and glanced at the pictures and what I could make out from the article and it doesn't look like it says anything different from Moto-Revue. Near as I can tell - and I'm no French speaker/reader - it's the same bike as the 2006 except for the engine. The 1157 SACS motor has been replaced with a water-cooled 1250. There's no mention (that I can tell) of this engine being derived from any current or past production lump.
Here's a closeup of the 650 version, and it looks the same as the motor shown in the 1250 pics:
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d35/paulweit/Bandit%20Alley/2007_B650_Engine.jpg)
And here's a shot of the '07 B1250:
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d35/paulweit/Bandit%20Alley/2007_B1250.jpg)
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It's no use looking at the magazines Red, you're in France, why aren't you at the Paris Motorcycle Show to see them in the flesh and getting some photos?? :duh:
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Because...
A) I couldn't find any info on it - and I've been looking, but keep coming up with sites for old shows
B) Didn't know it was going on now,
C) I have to go to Paris in the morning to pick up my wife - and I know she'll be suffering from the long flight and the 9 hour time difference, so the last thing she'll want to do is get dragged around for hours at a bike show.
You would have to tell me it's going on right now, wouldn't you. :duh: :thanks:
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Look like a new engine to me, not like a GSXR or GSX1400 or Busa - or anything else Suzi do in big bore at the moment.
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Interesting; we got the Bandit 650 in Canada this year so hopefully we'll get the Bandit 1250 next year.
Motorcycle Daily doesn't think the US will get it because the US didn't get the Bandit 650.
They report the motor is new.
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/22september06_suzukis.htm
They also report a New Kawasaki Concours based on the ZX1400.
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/23september06_concours.htm
Hmm; maybe I'll have to attend the winter's motorcycle shows this year.
Ride Safe & Ride Often,
1200 Bandits
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Here's scans of the French article on the '07 B1250:
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d35/paulweit/Bandit%20Alley/B12501.jpg)
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d35/paulweit/Bandit%20Alley/B12502.jpg)
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USD forks would look nice. Seems they'd cost about the same, or since they're hot, do they go for a premium?
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The 130 horsepower off the showroom floor sounds nice.
Only 6.6 lbs heaver than the 1200 - and I'm sure you could counter most of that if you got rid of the dual catalyzer exhaust with a lightweight aftermarket affair...
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In the background of some Hayabusa pics taken at the recent Las Vegas dealer show , both the 1250S and " N " models were on display .
(http://www.moto-station.com/ttesimages/motodivers/nouveautes2007/Suzuki_GSF_Bandit_1250_N_2007_stpz.jpg)
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where'd you get the HP numbers? The chart in the French article showed the same HP as the oil cooled bike but at lower RPM..........no, it doesnt sound right. My Bandit is rated at 470lb
The 130 horsepower off the showroom floor sounds nice.
Only 6.6 lbs heaver than the 1200 - and I'm sure you could counter most of that if you got rid of the dual catalyzer exhaust with a lightweight aftermarket affair...
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According to this, the 1250's are going to be available to america....
http://www.suzukicycles.com/Products/GSF1250SAK7/Default.aspx
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where'd you get the HP numbers? The chart in the French article showed the same HP as the oil cooled bike but at lower RPM..........no, it doesnt sound right. My Bandit is rated at 470lb
Top right of the 2nd scanned page above. 130ch.
All the best
Keith
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thanks Keith. I'm relly lookng forward to checking it out the Cycle World show. 130 hp & right now tork, makes me feel good I didn't hock the old one for the FZ-1. I wonder what the non ABS version will cost? Of couse someone will have ot go the exhaust & power commaner route. I noticed tht rear shock is a step up, I wonder about the front end.
where'd you get the HP numbers? The chart in the French article showed the same HP as the oil cooled bike but at lower RPM..........no, it doesnt sound right. My Bandit is rated at 470lb
Top right of the 2nd scanned page above. 130ch.
All the best
Keith
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As posted on Max Suki......
The French claim 130 hp.
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d35/paulweit/Bandit%20Alley/B12502.jpg)
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"Bazza" sez:
As posted on Max Suki......
The French claim 130 hp.
:duh: :motorsmile: :banana: You're crackin' me up, Baz!
Scroll up... that's the exact same picture I posted above.
PaulVS even used my scan/url of the magazine article for the MS post.
(Which is OK with me.)
:stickpoke: :bigok: :lol: :grin: :beers:
:monkeymoon: :monkeymoon: :monkeymoon:
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>>According to this, the 1250's are going to be available to america....<<
Where did you find that link? I'm not seeing it anywhere when I go to Suzuki USA.
Nice job. :grin:
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LoL... thanks Paul... I was too lazy that day to copy it into my photobucket account. :lol:
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Here are some specs on the 2007 B-12 from Motards online.
New Engine
All new, liquid-cooled, fuel injected, DOHC engine featuring a bore and stroke of 79.0mm x 64.0mm for a full 1254.8cc's of torque producing performance.
New Suzuki Dual Throttle Valve fuel injection system featuring 36mm throttle bodies for optimum performance and smooth accelerations.
All new engine compact engine design with a central cam chain, staggered transmission shafts, tighter spacing between the pairs of cylinders and a secondary balancer shaft for reduced vibration.
A new catalyzer equipped high volume muffler combined with an effective engine management system, Suzuki PAIR system, and oxygen sensor for reduced emissions meeting tough Euro 3 standards.
Suzuki Idle Speed Control (ISC) system for improved cold starting, consistent idle control and reduced emissions.
A new slick shifting six speed transmission improves acceleration while reducing top gear rpm at highway speeds.
New hydraulic clutch with coil springs for improved lever feel and control.
New liquid cooled oil cooler for reduced oil temperatures.
All new cylinder head featuring 31mm exhaust valves and 27mm intake valves set at a narrow 16 degree valve angle with updated intake and exhaust ports for maximum flow.
HiRes picture
New Chassis
New Anti-Lock Braking (ABS) monitors wheel speed and matches braking power to available traction.
New tube frame chassis featuring larger diameter down tubes for improved torsional rigidity designed for excellent balance of sporty handling and comfortable highway cruising.
Innovative seat height adjustment system can be adjusted up or down by 20mm with a simple spacer seat mounting system.
43mm front forks combined with a single rear shock with preload adjustability for riding with or without passengers.
Full floating 310mm dual front disc brakes with four piston calipers along with a 240mm rear disc and single piston caliper. Anti-Lock Braking (ABS) is also available and monitors wheel speed and matches braking power to available traction.
Cast three spoke aluminum wheels carrying radial tires and a standard easy-to-use centerstand.
The Bandit 1250S features a sleek half fairing, with built in line-beam headlights, an effective windscreen and fairing mounted mirrors.
HiRes picture
Specs
Engine: 1254.8cc, four-stroke, 4-cylinder, DOHC 16 valve, liquid cooled
Bore Stroke: 79.0 x 64.0 mm
Compression Ratio: 10.5:1
Fuel System: Fuel Injection
Lubrication: Wet sump
Ignition: Digital/Transistorizedg
Transmission: 5-speed
Final Drive: #530 chain
Overall Length: 2,130 mm (83.9 in)
Overall Width: 790 mm (31.1 in)
Overall Height: 1,225 mm (48.2 in) -- bandit 1250: 1.095 mm (43.1 in)
Seat Height: 790mm/810 mm (31.1/31.9 in) 2 way adjustable
Ground Clearance: 130 mm (5.1 in.)
Wheelbase: 1480 mm (58.3 in.)
Dry Weight: 225kg/496lbs (ABS 229kg/505lbs) -- bandit 1250: 222kg/489lbs (ABS 226kg/498lbs)
Suspension Front: Telescopic, oil damped, preload adjustable
Suspension Rear: Link-type suspension, 7-way adjustable preload, 4-way adjustable rebound
Brakes Front: Dual 310mm hydraulic disc 4 pistons callipers
Brakes Rear: Single 240mm hydraulic disc 2 pistons calliper
Tires Front: 120/70 ZR17
Tires Rear: 180/55 ZR17
Fuel Tank Capacity: 19 liter (5.0 gal)
Color: Black, Red
(http://www.motards-online.com/moto-essais-articles/images/illus/2007_Suzuki_GSF_bandit_1250_b2_01.jpg)
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that chart shows the same power as the old Bandit...I hope we can get the 130 HP that was talked about...........
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130 at the crank ought to give 115 or so at the rear wheel I would think. That would be 10-15 over the B12, the least you would expect from a displacement bump and liquid cooling. I'll bet that new motor has real potential. It's probably hamstrung by the Euro III requirements. I hope they have one at Biketoberfest.
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It indeed shows the new Engine puts out the same HP, but earlier on in the RPM range. On the same site they have the 650 Bandit showing a larger HP gain. However the numbers are missing from both charts.
I am sure that the new bikes arrriving in the USA will be hamstrung by the same emission standards.
So from what we can tell here, the Bandit got an extra 40 lbs, less vibes, ABS & no HP. (jeese Suzuki, I am really impressed!)
I was over on Max Suzuki & Dale from Holeshot implied he will have one. It will be interesting to see what he says on his comparisson. He stated on the thread over there that he will let us know just as soon as his new Bandit is broke in.
No so far, the only place I have seen claiming the 130 hp is the same site that this chart came from. From what I can see, they would also have to claim that the old engine produced 130 hp which we know is not the case.
I am thinking they may have made the 130 hp claim based only on their dyno results which we all know can be very misleading. The comparrison numbers they did, I think speak for themselves.
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Even if it's not 130 stock... with that kind of engine I don't think there will be much difficulty getting an extra 15 (or so) ponies out of it with full aftermarket exhaust and a FI re-map.
I seriously don't see how they could make a water-cooled, fuel injected, 1250cc, 4 cylinder motorcycle that wasn't at least 120hp.
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You might be right, but the chart would indicate that engine has milder cams & no more compression. With the water cooled engine you'd expect it would have a lot more compression than the oil cooled engine.
One deal with the Bandit. I understand the Euro laws have a 100 HP horsepower tax, that's why the Bandit is a little corked up on power but has considerable torque in the power range. Obvioiulsy, Suzuki corked the power with the muffler.
Whether the new engine is that easy to fix is the question. The good news is that some of the fuel injection systems can be remapped, or there maytbe be a hidden map or "wire", that can be adjsuted & unload a bunch of power.
we'll just have to see.
Even if it's not 130 stock... with that kind of engine I don't think there will be much difficulty getting an extra 15 (or so) ponies out of it with full aftermarket exhaust and a FI re-map.
I seriously don't see how they could make a water-cooled, fuel injected, 1250cc, 4 cylinder motorcycle that wasn't at least 120hp.
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One deal with the Bandit. I understand the Euro laws have a 100 HP horsepower tax
Nope, just France :roll: has a 100bhp maximum. Everyone else gets full power versions with no tax loading or whatever.
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The Bandit is 100hp bike in all markets. That's why you get a 10ph boost with muffler.
One deal with the Bandit. I understand the Euro laws have a 100 HP horsepower tax
Nope, just France :roll: has a 100bhp maximum. Everyone else gets full power versions with no tax loading or whatever.
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I know what hp the Bandit puts out but that wasn't the question :roll: , you said there was a Euro law taxing bikes over 100hp, there isn't.
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I know what hp the Bandit puts out but that wasn't the question :roll: , you said there was a Euro law taxing bikes over 100hp, there isn't.
Bezzer.
Do insurance rates go up with HP increases?
I did have some German speaking tourist tell me it was very expensive to insure a lager displacement bike where he came from this summer. (I can't recall where he was from though!)
I am sure there would not be a "Europe wide" tax as there are many different countries in Europe.
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It would be disappointing if the new bandito has no hp increase and gains weight, but the fuel injection and ABS are welcome, to me. The new motor is uglier than the old, but that's the price for liquid cooling I guess.
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(http://www.motards-online.com/moto-essais-articles/images/illus/Intermot_2006_Suzuki_03.jpg)
It must be the 2007 1250 GT, but is that accessory bodywork? I wouldn't mind having the color-matched luggage, but what's the point of the minimalist lower fairing? It doesn't look like it adds any wind protection and only makes maintenance more difficult.
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Hi
UK used to have a voluntary 125hp limit. France has a 100hp limit. Germany (I think) has a 100hp insurance grouping after which premiums go up rapidly.
All the best
Keith
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Just checked Suzuki's website. The new 1250 Bandit is indeed coming to the U.S. Even the ABS version.
Warren
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My Dealer informed me on the weekend that the ABS model will be retailing for $10,500.00 Canadian Dollars. Last years 2006 B-12 (the one you didn't get in the US) could be had for $8300.00.
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I am strongly thinking about buying a 2007 Bandit, I think that with aftermarket pistons, and a set of good cams, to take advandage of the bigger valves, that this engine should put out 160 RWHP. I will probably wait to see what Dale Walker can do with his.
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Yes, but for a few thousand more you can buy a new Busa which would require no mods, weigh less and at least have a somewhat modern chasis.
Of course for the 10,500.00 I was quoted you would get a much more modern 140 hp, FZ-1 (yes, I know it has FI glitches, but what suprises will the new 1250 have in store?)
I think there are much better deals out there, and much better bikes than the new B-1250. I am a little miffed at Suzki by not at least putting a new chasis under the
B-1250.
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Yea, but at the dragstrip, everyone has a Busa, or a ZX 12.
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Look for these links:
http://www.suzuki2wheels.be/files/GSF1250S_2007.pdf
http://www.suzuki2wheels.be/files/GSF650S_2007.pdf
and the new 1250 K7 for the USA...............
http://www.suzukicycles.com/Products/ProductDisplay.aspx?modelCode=GSF1250SAK7&activeSection=OVERVIEW
Red01 (Paul) is now at France and its posible a trip to Spain before Christmas, to Barcelona surely, I,ve send him my telephone number.
Rafagasss Bandidas for all.
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