Author Topic: Another newbie (aka how I learned to use the center stand) (Read 11834 times)

PaulVS · « **Reply #45 on:** June 07, 2007, 11:13:14 AM »

Welcome Aboard! Got the BEST Bandit color, I see.

stormi · « **Reply #46 on:** June 07, 2007, 01:22:24 PM »

Quote from: "Red01"

OK, now in your tripod example, shorten the leg on the left of the camera body so the camera is tilted and the shorter leg is on a weak overcenter hinge that can fold.

True, the centerstand is on a hinge, too, but it is more secure with it's much stronger over-center and spring locking mechanisms.

Well,.. that and my camera doesn't weigh 400+lbs, though after carrying it around for a while it feels close....

Incidentally, I have shot with my tripod like that and the biggest concern was the camera weight being able to take the furthest leg off the ground, and topple that way. Not so much a risk with a bike.

Interesting. I understand both sides, but I'm not convinced that either is necessarily superior. Both are fraught with perils, and as I see it, the most important part of this is to make sure you park where the fewest people can do damage to it. Also part of the reason that I -don't- park on sidewalks in front of stores, unlike what a lot of riders here do.

orionburn · « **Reply #47 on:** June 07, 2007, 01:28:22 PM »

Really guys...I got the center stand figured out now

Thanks for the welcome, Paul. I always look forward to your (jiggly) posts

Any idea who the hottie is on the left side of your sig?

stormi · « **Reply #48 on:** June 07, 2007, 01:32:34 PM »

Quote from: "ZenMan"

I can't believe the extent we argue about things sometimes...

Yet it still keeps going.

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When the sidestand is used, the tripod is more like:

``X``
`````
`X```
`````
``X``

Agreed. Of course the 919 seems to lean a fair bit further, but for this purpose, this is acceptable.

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which is a lot less stable than the centerstand:

``X``
`````
`````
`X`X`
`````

No matter how much you sweaR at it.

see this is what I don't agree with. Your diagram is a little inaccurate. ( sorry. :) )

It should be more like this:

``X``
`````
`X`X`
`````
`````

The rear half of the bike is typically in the air. The centrestand, to my eye, raises the bike's centre of gravity, changes the height ( therefore potentially making it a larger obstacle) and makes it less stable, because it's balancing on 3 points spanning a little more than half the length of the bike. Whereas the sidestand uses the entire length of the bike, doesn't change its height or centre of gravity. In my mind, and I'm sure someone will be able to point out why my thinking is wrong, that should make the bike more stable...

Now, this is all for parking on flat ground, if you park on a hill, you're likely to find problems, but here's the thing, on the sidestand, you can take advantage of the strength of the transmission to not let the bike roll forward and off the sidestand. The centrestand has the rear in the air, no such stability.

And you can prevent the sidestand from sinking witha crushed popcan, or similar under it...

Red01 · « **Reply #49 on:** June 07, 2007, 09:41:45 PM »

Quote from: "stormi"

And you can prevent the sidestand from sinking witha crushed popcan, or similar under it...

Strange as it may (or may not) seem, I've never had a bike sink on the centerstand enough to ever be in peril of falling over, so I've never felt the need to put a pair of pop cans (or similar) under the c'stand's legs. (Besides, I think MY rear tire would touch the ground and the bike rest on four points first since my rear tire is barely off the ground on the c'stand anyway.)

Red01 · « **Reply #50 on:** June 07, 2007, 09:45:51 PM »

Or maybe I just like to put it on the centerstand because I have one and not many bikes do these days.

Repli-racers don't, cruisers don't, most dual sports don't, even some of the bikes in the Bandit's "standard" class don't.
When the bike parking at work is full of bikes, the only other bike I ever see in the lot on a c'stand is a KTM 640 Adventure (and that's a long-legged c'stand!).

stormi · « **Reply #51 on:** June 08, 2007, 01:22:08 AM »

Quote from: "Red01"

Strange as it may (or may not) seem, I've never had a bike sink on the centerstand enough to ever be in peril of falling over, so I've never felt the need to put a pair of pop cans (or similar) under the c'stand's legs. (Besides, I think MY rear tire would touch the ground and the bike rest on four points first since my rear tire is barely off the ground on the c'stand anyway.)

Yeah, I've never had the problem here, but a friend "down south" mentioned it to me once, along with the pop can trick, and it was also mentioned in this thread as well. :)

I think where the problem would be is if you left the bike long enough, and the pavement was cooled and a little more solid, before you tried to move it...

Here, I'm more likely to find cracked pavement that caves in, Hit a pothole and snap the swingarm, or have the bike freeze up before I get it started.

ZenMan · « **Reply #52 on:** June 08, 2007, 01:31:12 AM »

Quote from: "stormi"

Quote from: "ZenMan"
which is a lot less stable than the centerstand:

``X``
`````
`````
`X`X`
`````

No matter how much you sweaR at it.

see this is what I don't agree with. Your diagram is a little inaccurate. ( sorry. :) )

It should be more like this:

``X``
`````
`X`X`
`````
`````

(ahem) I beg to differ:

``X`` - front wheel
````` - steering head
````` - engine
`X`X` - swingarm pivot
````` - rear wheel

With your "correction", you have the centerstand under the engine.

Havlng said all I have about this, I gotta tell ya that I use my sidestand most of the time when parking the bike out and about. The centerstand I use mainly for maintenance and parking in the shop for the night.

Stormi, I think once you get the hang of "popping" it up on the centerstand, you won't have any problem with using it more often. Granted, the sidestand is better for sloped or uneven ground, but on flat, even ground, it's purty durn stable... dontcha know?

stormi · « **Reply #53 on:** June 08, 2007, 03:26:13 AM »

Quote from: "Red01"

Or maybe I just like to put it on the centerstand because I have one and not many bikes do these days.
Repli-racers don't, cruisers don't, most dual sports don't, even some of the bikes in the Bandit's "standard" class don't.
When the bike parking at work is full of bikes, the only other bike I ever see in the lot on a c'stand is a KTM 640 Adventure (and that's a long-legged c'stand!).

Oh that could be. :) I know that where the other half works, there are about 3 - 4 bikes that get parked there, and they're all on their side stands.

The 919 is one of those sans-centrestand bikes, and the only time I miss it is for things like greasing the chain, and taking the front tire in for replacement. (You can order one from Honda though)

OMFG! The KTMs are HUGE! We were at one of the dealerships and I think it was a 990? It was on a centrestand and I felt like Alice after she was shrunk!! My feet were dangling a good 6" off the ground!

stormi · « **Reply #54 on:** June 08, 2007, 03:34:17 AM »

Quote from: "ZenMan"

(ahem) I beg to differ:

And that is your prerogative.

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``X`` - front wheel
````` - steering head
````` - engine
`X`X` - swingarm pivot
````` - rear wheel

With your "correction", you have the centerstand under the engine.

see, now it sure looks like the half way point to me,.. or at least very close to, closer than to the back wheel, which is what we were indicating with the first diagram. The centrestand actually sits about even with the SS on Dita when extended...

I would post a better pic, but it's 1am and I don't wanna go outside and take pics in the dark.

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Havlng said all I have about this, I gotta tell ya that I use my sidestand most of the time when parking the bike out and about. The centerstand I use mainly for maintenance and parking in the shop for the night.

Why when parking it where it's protected anyway? The only thing I can see is preservation of the tires... one anyway.

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Stormi, I think once you get the hang of "popping" it up on the centerstand, you won't have any problem with using it more often. Granted, the sidestand is better for sloped or uneven ground, but on flat, even ground, it's purty durn stable... dontcha know?

Maybe that's my problem. We rarely have clean stable flat ground to park on. And of course, since the b4 isn't my daily rider, I do what "comes naturally" to me....

patriot1876 · « **Reply #55 on:** June 10, 2007, 10:49:52 AM »

LOLOL,

Hey Nate, nice looking bike! I've got an '03 B12 S, Silver.

Your welcome thread is turning into a epic tale of side VS center standing. LOL

My 2 cents...

Side stand WITH forks turned and locked when about town (hard to turn and lock on center; not stable)

Center stand in garage, on flat smooth surface to save space and allow for rear tire inspection, chain lubing/cleaning, decompression of rear suspension for adjustment before riding two up.

patriot1876 · « **Reply #56 on:** June 10, 2007, 10:51:38 AM »

Actually...

Hijacking thread...

I lift the front of my Bandit and HANG my bike in the corner of my garage on one of those big rubber covered hooks.

leedogg · « **Reply #57 on:** June 10, 2007, 11:17:57 AM »

Quote from: "patriot1876"

Actually...

Hijacking thread...

I lift the front of my Bandit and HANG my bike in the corner of my garage on one of those big rubber covered hooks.

orionburn · « **Reply #58 on:** June 11, 2007, 09:51:14 AM »

Quote from: "patriot1876"

Hey Nate, nice looking bike! I've got an '03 B12 S, Silver.

Your welcome thread is turning into a epic tale of side VS center standing. LOL

Thanks. I've done my fair share of hijacking on forums, so I don't mind. Is good for a laugh

ZenMan · « **Reply #59 on:** June 11, 2007, 11:13:49 AM »

Quote from: "orionburn"

Quote from: "patriot1876"

Hey Nate, nice looking bike! I've got an '03 B12 S, Silver.

Your welcome thread is turning into a epic tale of side VS center standing. LOL

Thanks. I've done my fair share of hijacking on forums, so I don't mind. Is good for a laugh

He hee! You call this hijacking?

When I posted my 'just got my new bike' thread, it somehow went from the bike to accessories, buying property, farm equipment, Jeeps, where do the Simpsons live, zip codes, is Bigfoot real, the IRS, and existentialism (and a few more tossed in I don't recall).

10 pages:

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