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GENERAL MOTORCYCLE FORUMS => GENERAL MOTORCYCLE => Topic started by: mattt on May 14, 2006, 02:07:48 PM
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Hello, ive been riding my B6 K3 since xmas, recently i was reading a magazine that tells you how to simply change gear with out using the clutch, and now i think its awsome. Does anyone else ride like this? I think it might become a habit of mine very soon but im not sure if it will increase or cause any damage to my engine/gearbox. In the article is says it will only cause damage when changing down gears without the clutch.
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As long as you do it right (unload the gearbox for that instant), it's harmless to upshift that way.
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As long as you do it right (unload the gearbox for that instant), it's harmless to upshift that way.
Ditto !
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When accelerating aggressively, that's the way I do it. :bigok:
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Thats the way I do it, almost, I push the horn button and let the Holeshot powershifter shift it.
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Since you still have to let off the gas for just a moment, and upshift with your foot-which is the same exact time you're disengaging/engaging the clutch-is there really an advantage to shifting clutchless?
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For me, it is quicker w/out the clutch. With the clutch you let off the gas for a fraction of a second before pulling in the clutch, take a fraction of a second to pull in the clutch before shifting while still off the gas then you remain off the gas for another fraction of a second while releasing the clutch. Without the clutch, you only use 1 of the 3 fractions of a second listed above. Doesn't sound like much but IMHO, it is noticeable. At the track, you can hear the difference between the two. Clutchless, you're quicker back on the gas.
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Since you still have to let off the gas for just a moment, and upshift with your foot-which is the same exact time you're disengaging/engaging the clutch-is there really an advantage to shifting clutchless?
If you're racing, it saves a smidge of time, which may make the difference between winning and loosing. It's common in roadracing to do it, and just about manditory in drag racing. In day-to-day riding, no real advantage. 99% of the time, I use the clutch.
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mostly i'm just too lazy to use the clutch
we are describing here a powershift. in which the power is momentarily interupted while the next gear in selected.
a speedshift (which i have never tried on the B12, but have on lesser machines) is executed by leaving the throttle wide open as you fan the clutch and select the next gear.
powershifters can be hooked up in many ways. some are hooked up to the cluctch lever so it may look like they are using the clutch but actually they are using the first bit of the lever to actuate the powershifter.
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I shift clutchless sometimes but for everyday street riding I'm with Paul, a little clutch to ease the strain. If you do a lot of banging you're going to wear the shift dogs out and other parts before their time. Guess it depends on how long you're keeping the bike, but tranny repairs are VERY labor intensive.
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I shift clutchless sometimes but for everyday street riding I'm with Paul, a little clutch to ease the strain. If you do a lot of banging you're going to wear the shift dogs out and other parts before their time. Guess it depends on how long you're keeping the bike, but tranny repairs are VERY labor intensive.
So it will increase wear on my clutch/gearbox then? Im new to riding and I found it alot easier using this method when accelerating hard thru the gears, it makes me feel more confident both hands gripping the bars lol.
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Its obviously going to increase wear and tear on the clutch. lol. I always use the clutch. I did try it witout using it a few times and didnt see any difference in the speed at all IMHO. Anyways clutch is handy for getting the bike up on the back wheel.
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Its obviously going to increase wear and tear on the clutch. lol. I always use the clutch. I did try it witout using it a few times and didnt see any difference in the speed at all IMHO. Anyways clutch is handy for getting the bike up on the back wheel.
So its Harmless to upshift???
Or is it going to increase wear and tear... which is it?? 2 different answers in this thread.
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IMHO, if done right, it's OK. Done wrong, it can lead to trouble. Since not every shift is perfect, I choose to not do it very often. I don't think it's worth the risk, however small. Since I'm usually not racing anyone, the nanosecond of time savings isn't worth the risk.
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Shifting without using the clutch, when racing, saves the clutch, but if not done right could hurt the trans. When shifting, you need to shift like you are trying to break the shifter. Shifting easy, when racing, is what ruins the trans.
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huh? now that sounds strange...
I've shifted several times out of laziness without clutch, and noticed i could shift quite easy when you don't crank the throttle. I especially like to downshift without.
My reasoning was when it goes easier there is less strain.. but i'm not doing it much.. Just one time a lot when the clutch lever broke off :shock: Damn red lights are a pain then!!
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Thats why I put the, "when racing", you can shift any standard transmission without the clutch, if you shift easy.
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ah, thank God
thought i was wrecking mine for a moment...
I don't race, sometimes high speeds but nothing else, curves are fun and i need more practice at it :wink:
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so is it best to shift the pedal as quick as possible then?
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just try it out.. when you know how the bike handles, like best moment to shift gear, just try it. The important thing is not to crank the throttle on that moment. It goes deceivingly easy. I like it cause you can really do everything with one hand, perfect for cruising at low speeds in low-traffic
area's, just chill!
So no CRACK CRACK sound!
If this is intended for racing, then someone else has to answer this...
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I go cluthless up & down shift.....not all the time, but when it "feels" right.
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I go cluthless up & down shift.....not all the time, but when it "feels" right.
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Me, too!
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Me, too!
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I do clutchless upshifting sometimes when I'm taking it easy. I tried clutchless downshifting but that didn't work as well as upshifting.
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yeah going down gears without the clutch and the bike just goes mad and locks up the back wheel for that splti second. buts thats long enough for ya to crap in your cacks lol. :beers: :beers: