Bandit Alley
GENERAL MOTORCYCLE FORUMS => GENERAL MOTORCYCLE => Topic started by: JamieK on July 10, 2007, 09:22:42 PM
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I always said that if Buell put a 'real' engine in their bikes that I would buy one. Well it seems that Erik did just that. After reading everything there was to read and looking at all the pictures I fear that Dreadnought and I will part ways to make room for an XB1125R...I will have to save judgment until some actual ride reviews come out and I can see one in person but so far I like everything about the new Buell.
So I guess I'll eat my words...with a side of salsa (because the 1125R is one spicey dish)
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Awesome, 82 ft. lbs. torque, 146 HP, 375 lb. dry weight. I hope they put that engine in the Ulysses.
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You know, I was at the Harley dealer a couple of weeks ago, gonna do a test ride on a Buell. I told the salesman they needed to get a new engine for the Buells. He gave me a little smile and said yeah. I think I know why now.
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Awesome, 82 ft. lbs. torque, 146 HP, 375 lb. dry weight. I hope they put that engine in the Ulysses.
I like the fact that they are not trying to compete with the V2 superbikes and are making it a real world bike. I can tell you how many times my B12 has been WFO on the street...0...on the track and on the dyno is the only place I've used the upper reaches of the tach. So a bike with a huge mid-range is my kind of bike and that is right where this new Buell is tuned...according to the press releases anyway. I'm guessing the rest of the XB lineup will get the new mill/chassis in 09.
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Awesome, 82 ft. lbs. torque, 146 HP, 375 lb. dry weight. I hope they put that engine in the Ulysses.
+1 :thumb: I might consider something like that - or a Lightning.
They need to do something... The modified Sporty motor does nuthin for me and I know it holds back a lot of otherwise potential buyers. I just read MCN's long-term update on the Uly they've had for about a year now. The #1 complaint was how it shook parts loose and even shed some of them down on the road. Including the a header pipe stud from the front downpipe. It had shed the nuts to this pipe on several occasions, so they were even keeping an eye on it.
:roll:
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We have a friend that had a buell who had to do wheel bearings on it every 5000 miles.
He told me that he went into the HD dealer for wheel bearings, and had the parts guy ask how many miles on the bike. He replied something in the range of 35k miles. To which the parts guy said "Wow! These things sure are built to last!!"
:shock: :shock: :shock: :rofl:
I'm not too fond of this tendency to use the frame a fuel tank - If you had to creme that...? Not to mention the cost involved if it ever needed to be replaced, due to a leak or a collision...
http://www.wheels.ca/article/28510
I've heard of tons and tons of recalls on buells too, so personally, I wouldn't touch one, but to each his own. :bigok:
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I've heard of tons and tons of recalls on buells too, so personally, I wouldn't touch one, but to each his own.
And Hyundai used to be one of the worst for quality control in cars, now they're close to #1...go figure
I've always liked Buells and now he's gone and taken away the last reason for me not buying one :wink:
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Is it a V twin, and if it is, how many rpms is it turning to get 146 hp and only 82 ft lbs torque?
The picture on the web site sure looks good.
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It is a short stroke V2 so wouldn't be producing torque numbers like a cruiser. The specs say it has a 10,500 redline but they don't say when max torque or HP occur...82ft/lbs on a 375lb(dry) bike...it's going to pull hard.
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Yes all sounds good on paper, yes Mr buell has done some remarkable shyte, but at least in the good old days a buell was a buell, now its just another piece of junk straight out of the good ole boy harldy dangerous factory. Sorry after harley ownership of 20 years, and several years of working at one of the largest harley dealerships down here, no matter how you dress the sucker, its still a efen harley. Fuel tank frame, not a bad idea, but the piddley amount of fuel you can put in it would be pushing shyte up hill to make fuel stops down here, if you want to have just a little fun and get up it. Yep sure does look the goods too, hmmm streetfighter material, but cooked shock from underslung pipe, losing nuts and bolts, outrageous parts prices, and of course the stigma, "he owns one he can afford it" from the stealerships just shytes me to tears.
About the closest I'll get to one is buying a airfix model of one. For the price, and I might add the price aint bad, but F#*# me standing I could buy 4 wrecked jap bikes fix them up and have them on the road for the same price a buell. And after all that work will end up spinning spanners for less time than if I bought a buell. The heart says yes its a cool looking bike, but the head says, ohhh shyte its a harley, remember how you spent more time spinning spanners than riding. hmmm head wins. :motorsmile:
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Fuel tank frame, not a bad idea, but the piddley amount of fuel you can put in it would be pushing shyte up hill to make fuel stops down here, if you want to have just a little fun and get up it.
That in frame fuel maybe a trick idea, but even a small fall of the side stand can cause an insurance company to call it a write off - When 'the treasure' worked for the local HD dealer it happened to one, and very nearly a couple of others....
Buell, looks ugly, is uncomfortable, maybe 'quick' but for the same price there's quicker bikes on the market....
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Fuel tank frame, not a bad idea, but the piddley amount of fuel you can put in it would be pushing shyte up hill to make fuel stops down here, if you want to have just a little fun and get up it.
That in frame fuel maybe a trick idea, but even a small fall of the side stand can cause an insurance company to call it a write off - When 'the treasure' worked for the local HD dealer it happened to one, and very nearly a couple of others....
Buell, looks ugly, is uncomfortable, maybe 'quick' but for the same price there's quicker bikes on the market....
If it was all about quickness, comfort and looks I certainly wouldn't own a Bandit in the first place cuz my B12 falls short in all those categories :lol:
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Fuel tank frame, not a bad idea, but the piddley amount of fuel you can put in it would be pushing shyte up hill to make fuel stops down here, if you want to have just a little fun and get up it.
the 1125r has 5.6 gallons. piddley?
It is a short stroke V2 so wouldn't be producing torque numbers like a cruiser. The specs say it has a 10,500 redline but they don't say when max torque or HP occur...82ft/lbs on a 375lb(dry) bike...it's going to pull hard.
they have the bike specs (including dyno numbers) up on the "minisite" you can access from the buell website. torque looks to be even from 3k on. hp peaks at rev limit.
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my brother in law has xb12r firebolt. yeah, the thing shakes under 2k, but man is it fun to ride. he's had it for 2 1/2 years, rides it nearly every day (during the summer) and never had a serious problem with it.
i'll agree that the xb's are not that competitive with the current sportbike market, but so what. and yeah, they are way more expensive for an equal performance big4 sportbike. but the new 1125r powerplant is a great step for buell in getting away from that heavy hd engine they are using. if those side cowlings aren't as ugly as they appear to be, i might consider one.
just my thoughts.
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If it was all about quickness, comfort and looks I certainly wouldn't own a Bandit in the first place cuz my B12 falls short in all those categories :lol:
OUCH! :lol:
I've run with a couple Buells on one of our popular weekend twisty roads here, and one thing about them I just love is the sound. That deep, throaty exhaust just shakes ya right to the core, sounds like pure torque. And they do have quite a pull coming out the exits.
This new engine... what degree V is it? Based on a 45 degree(I think) Harley, or like a 90-degree Ducati?
Any pics?
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This new Buell uses a Rotax V-twin. I'm guessing from the specs, it's a derivitive of the same motor used by Aprilia and Can-Am/Bombardier. Should be a lot smoother than the old pushrod Sporty derived motor.
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The V2 is 70degree you can see the new bike at buell.com
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All the specs are on the Buell website. You know, a couple of weeks ago on the Cycle World site, they had a little story about a rumour of a merger between Harley and Ducati. Makes me wonder if this is a Ducati or Ducati designed engine. It's a modern V twin, such as would be in a sportbike.
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It's a ROTAX motor - from Austria. They build motors for Aprilia, BMW, Can-Am, CCM & purpose-built flat trackers (4-strokes), the ultra-light market & go-karts (2-strokes) and Bombardier/Ski-Doo... they're a division of Bombardier.
Rotax press release on new Buell engine. (http://www.rotax.com/en/Media.Center/Press.Releases/1/20070709.htm)
Buell press release on new Rotax powered 1125R. (http://www.buell.com/en_us/news_events/newsdetail.asp?news_id=1229)
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Fuel tank frame, not a bad idea, but the piddley amount of fuel you can put in it would be pushing shyte up hill to make fuel stops down here, if you want to have just a little fun and get up it.
That in frame fuel maybe a trick idea, but even a small fall of the side stand can cause an insurance company to call it a write off - When 'the treasure' worked for the local HD dealer it happened to one, and very nearly a couple of others....
Buell, looks ugly, is uncomfortable, maybe 'quick' but for the same price there's quicker bikes on the market....
If it was all about quickness, comfort and looks I certainly wouldn't own a Bandit in the first place cuz my B12 falls short in all those categories :lol:
I've ridden the Buell's before, granted not the latest version, but unless you're well under 178cm and weigh less than 100Kg, I can't possibly see how the 250gp sized bike is going to be more comfortable than a B12. Besides, no where in my post did I compare it to a bandit. If I was going to compare it to anything I'd be more likely to compare it to the TL1000, VTR1000, S4R, Tuono or even the SV1000.
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I've ridden the Buell's before, granted not the latest version, but unless you're well under 178cm and weigh less than 100Kg, I can't possibly see how the 250gp sized bike is going to be more comfortable than a B12. Besides, no where in my post did I compare it to a bandit. If I was going to compare it to anything I'd be more likely to compare it to the TL1000, VTR1000, S4R, Tuono or even the SV1000.
Yep I fit those parameters :wink:
OK, OK I did not say you compared it to a Bandit. You did mention that Buell, looks ugly, is uncomfortable, maybe 'quick' but for the same price there's quicker bikes on the market....
I'm saying that the first two are subjective comments and the last may not be the determining factor for why some folks buy certain bikes. I bought my B12 because it was relatively inexpensive, handles OK, and has decent power...but it is not a pretty bike, is not the most comfortable bike and is not the quickest bike in its category. It fills my motorcycling 'needs' but not all of my 'wants'. On paper the 1125 fills a lot of my 'wants' but I'll wait until I see it and ride it before I determine if its for me. Until then the B12 is my bike of choice regardless of its inherent shortcomings...
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Given that you fit those parameters then you'll probably really like the Buell. Unfortunately, I'm 178cm and weight a tad over 100kg - and my body just doesn't 'bend' like it used to.
I've got to agree, the B12 is not the best looking, fastest or most comfortable bike, but you I just couldn't go past the price - at least 2 grand cheaper than it's nearest 'naked' competitor.
Ideal bike for me would be a BMW R1200RT - but for 15 grand less then the current asking price downunder....
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Given that you fit those parameters then you'll probably really like the Buell. Unfortunately, I'm 178cm and weight a tad over 100kg - and my body just doesn't 'bend' like it used to.
I've got to agree, the B12 is not the best looking, fastest or most comfortable bike, but you I just couldn't go past the price - at least 2 grand cheaper than it's nearest 'naked' competitor.
Ideal bike for me would be a BMW R1200RT - but for 15 grand less then the current asking price downunder....
100% agree with this comment. And though I maybe don't have the bimmer as my wis...but maybe a FJR type bike- the point remains the same.
I looked at the Buells last year- couldn't see 11 grand for one. I think they are awesome looking bikes and are very interesting- but not at that cost.
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one thing about them I just love is the sound. That deep, throaty exhaust just shakes ya right to the core, sounds like pure torque
+1
I remember seeing a Lightning (I think) at the MSF course years ago. Can't remember what pipe he had on it, but dear Lord when he fired that thing up....was absolutely sick. I was a 100% Buell hater until I heard the sound they could make. After that I was only a 60% Buell hater :lol:
I'm with Stormi. I don't wish anything bad upon the company and hope they continue to improve their bikes. I for one would wait a few years to see for sure how well they've improved. I do like their bikes, but not in a hurry to own one.
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I'm wiling to wait at least one model year before I get serious about it...until then I can seriously drool over its potential :wink:
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I'm wiling to wait at least one model year before I get serious about it...until then I can seriously drool over its potential :wink:
A good practice for both vehicles and MS software. :wink:
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I'm wiling to wait at least one model year before I get serious about it...until then I can seriously drool over its potential :wink:
A good practice for both vehicles and MS software.
:wink:
Don't get me started on MS software...
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LMAO!! I have told clients under no uncertain terms that if they upgrade to Vista before my OK, that they're looking for a new tech. One of them didn't believe me and did it. They're looking for a new tech. :wink: SP1 minimum is what I tell them.
That seems a good practice for Bikes and cars too.
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Might even be better to wait for Service Pack 3 or 4.
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Oh, Oh.....Rotax ??? That'd be a deal breaker for me.
IMHO, the Europeans (BMW excepted) STILL have a lot to learn about how North Americans use their bikes AND how the bikes are expected to last. I had a guy come in the yard about 2 weeks ago looking for a CDI box for a '05 or '06 Aprilia somethingorother. Seems that a lot of them had problems and the CDI's are on back order from Aprilia (and thus Bosch) and he's looking at ~4-6 MONTHS before they show up.
Sounds exactly like the parts supply problems we used to have with Ducati, Ossa, and other European bikes 30 years ago. Plus ca change..... :lol:
Of course the Buell MAY have Nippon Denso electrics since HD is now buying so many parts from Japan.....ND, Showa, Nissin, etc etc. In that case, it might not be TOO "dangerous" a purchase.....:lol:....but I, personally, would want to see a HUGE amount of reliability demonstrated before laying out the kind of coin they'll be asking.
My .02.....
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I had a guy come in the yard about 2 weeks ago looking for a CDI box for a '05 or '06 Aprilia somethingorother. Seems that a lot of them had problems and the CDI's are on back order from Aprilia (and thus Bosch) and he's looking at ~4-6 MONTHS before they show up.
I just don't believe you guys up there haven't got guys who repair the bloody things like we do down here.
When the Fj1200 poohed its CDI black box, from the dealership with courier discount a brand new one was $900.00. A 2nd hand unit from the wrecking yard $450.00.
Rebuilt and fully checked with warranty $100.00 plus GST.
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LMAO!! I have told clients under no uncertain terms that if they upgrade to Vista before my OK, that they're looking for a new tech. One of them didn't believe me and did it. They're looking for a new tech. :wink: SP1 minimum is what I tell them.
That seems a good practice for Bikes and cars too.
We have been running Vista on a couple of machines since the beta came out, year and a half ago, also office 2007.
I have no problem with Vista, as long as you have 2 gig of ram or more. We have around 800 computers at our school, so buying ram and up grading to vista is not going to happen, but as we replace units, we will go to Vista. We had to load Office 2007 on 2 labs at the High School, because that is what the new text books have. :shock:
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I just don't believe you guys up there haven't got guys who repair the bloody things like we do down here.
Mick: There used to be a guy in Calgary that did that kind of stuff but he seems to have disappeared. Unfortunately a lot of the newer boxes are totally "potted" with this hardened goo that is impossible to remove without destroying the printed circuit board and many of the components on it. This type of CDI is more durable than the old style unpotted/repairable boxes but on the downside it can't be repaired either. :sad: