Fast Cornering and Late Apexing?

[banditoverde]

I've read on other boards that scrapping pegs is a sign of faulty technique and an indicator of slow cornering / poor cornering skills.  The advice given to "fix" this fault seems to be everything from hanging off to turning more agressively to accelerating harder in the turn in order to tighten up your line through the turn.  Some of this seems to make sense but I'm still a bit confused.  I don't know enough to know how much of this advice is worth while but I do know that I've got a lot to learn about riding.  

On a related note, one of my buddys just graduated police motor school and he was taught about late apexing as a technique for faster riding through unfamiliar twisties.  If I understood him correctly it goes something like this.  Stay to the outside of the turn until you get to where you can see your exit point. Once you see your exit point turn in sharply and accelerate out.

Anybody got any sage advice on cornering?

[PitterB4]

I highly recommend the book Total Control.  There are other good books out there too but this is the one I read.  It's basically a book written by a former racer about how to safely be faster on the street.  He talks about how to pick the best line through a turn and body postion in great detail.  He makes all of it make sense.  Good luck!

[dsartwell1]

I've read about late apexing. It was presented more as a safety precaution. Basically, on unfamiliar roads, you don't want to be WOT until you can see where you're going. Most of us probably do this on new roads and don't even realize it. Makes sense to me.

[txbanditrydr]

I highly recommend the book Total Control.  

Any links to where we can find this book??

[PitterB4]

I highly recommend the book Total Control.  

Any links to where we can find this book??

CLICKY HERE!!!!

[txbanditrydr]

   and       for the quick reply!!    

[oremike]

I'm an advocate of not dragging parts. IMHO first the scraping sound then the crashing sound. Again my opinion is if you drag parts regularly you need a different bike because you're riding too close to it's limets. That being said there are some things you can do to avoid  draging parts, the easyest is to slow down a bit, I know not a popular idea but we are talking about street riding. All ways haveing to get there first may mean being the first to the crash seen also. Something I'm sure we'd all like to avoid. Hanging off, picking the proper line, and throtle management can help with not draging parts and should be in everyones rideing skills tool box. Rideing is a thinking persons game if your heads in the game and you properly read/set up for and ride each corner you can get to the magical nervana of smooth yet fast, I get some right but mostly know I could do just a little better. I guess it's kind of a Zen thing, the more I know the less I know.

[land_shark]

I highly recommend the book Total Control.  

Any links to where we can find this book??

CLICKY HERE!!!!

It'd be bad to get pulled over with THAT in your tail bag  

[banditoverde]

1. I'm ordering the book as soon as I log off of here.  Looks great. can't wait to read it.

I'm an advocate of not dragging parts.... if you drag parts regularly you need a different bike because you're riding too close to it's limets....slow down a bit, I know not a popular idea but we are talking about street riding. All ways haveing to get there first may mean being the first to the crash seen also....Rideing is a thinking persons game if your heads in the game and you properly read/set up for and ride each corner you can get to the magical nervana of smooth yet fast....kind of a Zen thing, the more I know the less I know.

2. I don't want to drag parts but I must say it is confidence inspiring to have done it and gotten away with it.  I'm always learning something new on every ride and finding limits is part of the learning process. The trick is touching the limit without stepping over. Fortunately and unfortunately I don't have any riding partners right now so my only competion is Me. Me tends to have problems reigning in his inner squid sometimes. Fortunately Me tends toward the lucky side and has a wife who, although she denies it, secretly digs scars. All chicks do.   I keep trying to tell Me that slow is smooth, smooth is fast and fast is good.  I have high hopes that Me is starting to get the point

It'd be bad to get pulled over with THAT in your tail bag  

3. Its a whole lot better than getting caught with something like "Etiquette For Outlaws" or "An Educated Guide to Speeding Tickets and How to Avoid/Beat Them".  I just love those books.

Hey, by the way. How do you do the "Clicky Here" thing?

[PitterB4]

Hey, by the way. How do you do the "Clicky Here" thing?

It's a deep, dark BBS admin secret.  I could tell you but...

The BBS code is: "Clicky Here" then close the tags with: bracket, backslash, "url", close bracket.  It's hard to show you without whatever I type turning into a link.  Hope it makes sense.

[banditoverde]

[smooth operator]

Another good book to read is Kieth Codes' Twist of the Wrist II. The better you get the less you scrape, providing your bike is not past its limitations. Turning in too soon will give you a bad line and and then you end up making mid turn corrections. Mid turn steering/throttle corrections may require more lean angle than nessisary(sp) wich also means less tire on the ground.You should strive for one turn in point and your throttle should have a steady roll on through the turn.

[Red01]

Hey, by the way. How do you do the "Clicky Here" thing?

It's a deep, dark BBS admin secret.  I could tell you but...

The BBS code is: "Clicky Here" then close the tags with: bracket, backslash, "url", close bracket.  It's hard to show you without whatever I type turning into a link.  Hope it makes sense.

If you type the url bass-ackwards like Pitter did, it'll show up since it isn't recognized as a legit url.

Clicky Here

If you type the url correctly, you get:
Clicky Here

[PitterB4]

Hey Pete... we need a "bite me" emoticon!  

[Red01]