Bandit Alley
GENERAL MOTORCYCLE FORUMS => GENERAL MOTORCYCLE => Topic started by: CWO4GUNNER on April 24, 2007, 04:16:24 PM
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As some of you may know I have been considering the 2007 GSX-R1000 and have my 05 B12 up for sale. Anyway found a dealer in Barstow Ca selling them for $12K OTD which is about $1k lower then the national average after taxes and fees. Anyway after much discussion with them they won't take trade-ins with that offer unless I am willing to pay $16 OTD and they will give me $4k trade in.
So remember when you trade your bike in, you can believe whatever you want, but you are giving away the bike.
Hmmm... seems like A LOT more than the $2500 price difference from the B1250 that you spoke of. :wink:
Since some people are getting the B1250 OTD for $7300... it would be closer to a $4700 price difference, wouldn't it?
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As far as I know, $7749 OTD is the cheapest I've seen anyone get their '07 B1250 for in the U.S... me! But that's still a $4200 difference. :shock:
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I know of one person - $7299 OTD, and another who picked one up for $7499 OTD.
But either way....
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I know of one person - $7299 OTD, and another who picked one up for $7499 OTD.
But either way....
Wow, that's a great price. Good for them!
Makes sense though, you're in Chicago... Suzuki has a warehouse there. I paid the extra shipping here to southern MO.
I'm a little jealous... but I'll get over it! :bigok:
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Just so you know that I know. The best OTD prices are in the state of CA because they have the sheer volume, warehouses, and closest ports to offer them at the biggest discounts. But none of the big dealers that sell on small margin over wholesale are doing OTD pricing on the b12.5. The closes is $8200 before all fees and that comes to about $9200 OTD for the b12.5, so yes I am off by $2800 for one dealer but most are at $8700 or $9700 OTD. But it would cost you at least $6000 to equip the b12.5 with the 07 GSXR 1000 technology. Just the facts men, but most importantly the truth.
Except for the fact that one Californian paid $8400 OTD. I'm sure there's other dealers willing to sell for even less than $7300 in CA.
And your $6k figure is way off, by the way. About $1k on suspension, another $1k on exhaust & a power commander... another $1k on tires and other goodies. It still wouldn't wouldn't be a GSXR.... but a lot of good riders on a B1250 with those mods would easily embarass you on a GSXR1000 on a racetrack.
And they could ride it all day comfortably. :wink:
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Just so you know that I know. The best OTD prices are in the state of CA because they have the sheer volume, warehouses, and closest ports to offer them at the biggest discounts. But none of the big dealers that sell on small margin over wholesale are doing OTD pricing on the b12.5. The closes is $8200 before all fees and that comes to about $9200 OTD for the b12.5, so yes I am off by $2800 for one dealer but most are at $8700 or $9700 OTD. But it would cost you at least $6000 to equip the b12.5 with the 07 GSXR 1000 technology. Just the facts men, but most importantly the truth.
CWO, what you're saying doesn't make sense... and it almost sounds like you are calling us liars.
On one hand you say that OTD prices in California are the lowest anywhere. But the OTD prices you're quoting are way higher than what many of us have paid for our bikes already elsewhere.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but CA prices are notoriously higher than most everywhere else in the lower 48... it's what the CA market will bear, for one thing. And the west coast cost of living is high.
If you don't believe me when I tell you I paid $7749 OTD for my B1250, Call Drinnon's Cycle at (417) 257-7771 and ask Betty. Or ask Katamaniac what he paid for his... $7849 OTD.
In fact, she's got another one sitting on her floor right now she'll sell you for $7849 in a heartbeat. (I got a $100 discount because I've bought a lot of bikes there.) And are you saying that PaulVS is making it up when he quoted what his friends paid in Chicago?
I bet anything Betty in West Plains will sell you a GSXR-1000 for a lot less than $12000. In fact I think her price was under $11K... but you can ask her yourself. You have the phone # now. :wink:
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Apparently they have the best drugs in CA. however. :stickpoke:
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a lot of good riders on a B1250 with those mods would easily embarass you on a GSXR1000 on a racetrack.
And they could ride it all day comfortably. :wink:
Aw heck... I'd embarass him on my stock B1250. Did you see the 2" wide chicken strips on his tires? http://forums.banditalley.net/viewtopic.php?t=8705 :stickpoke: :bandit:
(just a little friendly ribbing, CWO. :wink: )
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I just want to see that same luggage on a gsxr. :roll:
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Since my post have always offered quality information, here is the Wikipedia of what and why the Bandit is, you'll also note the reason why the 1250 was latest forced and marginal creation, albeit its all part of the family LOL.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_Bandit_Series
Uh, ok.... that sure clears up the price of bikes in California. Gee, thanks for the valuable link, CWO... :shock: :headscratch: :crazy: :bolt:
"A wise man wins favor, but a fool's tongue is his undoing He begins by talking nonsense and ends in mischief run mad" Koheleth :roll:
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Since my post have always offered quality information, here is the Wikipedia of what and why the Bandit is, you'll also note the reason why the 1250 was latest forced and marginal creation, albeit its all part of the family LOL.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_Bandit_Series
A. Wikipedia can be edited by just about anyone. It's not an 'authoritative' source.
B. No where in that listing does it say the design was 'rushed' or 'forced'. Yes, the Bandit had to be changed to meet Euro emission standards... but you have no clue just how long Suzuki has been developing that engine.
C. California has some of the higher prices on motorcycles. If you aren't aware of this... ask some people who might actually know.
D. The B1250 is still a great deal for an all-around-UJM. The only other bike that's close is the FZ-1, which isn't as comfortable, has a twitchier engine, is known to have F.I. problems, and is about $1k more expensive. The market decides what bikes are made. If the B1250 doesn't sell, Suzuki won't continue to produce it. But since there is a glaring lack of UJM's these days... I have a feeling the Bandit (with the new engine) will be around for a while, especially since it's such a monster selling bike in other countries where looking like a poser-squid or badass-impersonating Harley-type aren't important criteria when selecting a motorcycle.
E. The restrictions on the B1250 are primarily designed to meet the anal euro emissions standards and will see a 20-30hp increase with fuel/exhaust/air modifications that will probably be well under $1k in cost.
F. In Chicago you can get an '07 GSXR1000 for ~ $11k OTD. You can also get a B1250 for ~ $7300 OTD. That's a $3700 difference. You keep insisting on trying to compare apples & oranges.
G. You also keep trying to make the B1250 look like a fiasco when all reviews I've seen (4 or 5 of them now) are extremely positive. But you know better apparently.
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Can you even buy a 49-state bike from a CA dealer? I don't know how it all shakes out with the '07 models, but there has typically been minor differences in CA Bandits and 49-state versions that make the CA models heavier and more cluttered. (Roll-over valve, emissions canister & associated plumbing)
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CWO, let's put all the ego BS and petty jabs aside for a minute and talk straight-up... one biker to another.
First I just want to say that I do respect you, and I'm grateful for your 30 years proud service to our country, helping to keep our nation safe and strong. You know more about ships and naval ordnance and military life than I could ever imagine.
But when it comes to motorcycles, I think I might just be at least your equal in riding ability, and I think I may have owned and ridden a few more bikes than you. So please allow me to give you a little advice, if I may.
Go down to a dealership and take a test ride on a B1250. Try to keep an open mind... what can it hurt? If you don't like it, then at least you'll be able to back up all the negative comments and derogatory swipes you've been taking at this bike, for whatever reason you seem to disdain it so much. All your criticism doesn't carry much weight when you've never even sat on one.
But I'd be willing to bet you'll be suprised and impressed with the smooth power and slick handling that has to be experienced to be believed... even if you won't admit it here. I think at the very least you'd be doing yourself a favor. All that common sense, frugality, and wisdom that you're always proclaiming to have might even over-ride your stubborness and you could end up riding home on a brand-new '07 Bandit. Who knows?
Look, you can test-ride a GSXR1000 too, and if you really like it and decide this is the one for you, then buy it! But you gotta ask yourself, is a crotch-rocket really the best choice for your needs, riding style, and intended use? And is it worth the extra $4-$5K just for bragging rights? Are you gonna end up with a bike that's uncomfortable, high-strung, skittish and expensive? Because that's what the Gixxer is... no matter what they say about the adjustments for the seat, pegs, or 3-position power selector... it's a track bike that's street legal. And I sure as heck wouldn't want to ride one across country.
If you're out there ridng a GSXR you know you're gonna have a target on your back. Every squid and canyon-carver that sees you is gonna challenge you... that's fine if that's what you want, but do you have the skills to back up your motorcycle? Because it'll be one embarassment after another when you get blown off every day by all the knee-draggers and peg-scrapers. And you could easily find yourself in way over your head tryng to stay with a pack of WFO jet pilots. Not safe.
One advantage of riding the Bandit is the "sleeper factor"... it doesn't really fall into the sport-bike category, but it definitely has the capability to dust off any sport-bike out there if you have the skills... and the look on these kids faces when they get spanked by an old fart on a "standard" bike is just priceless.
Hey, do what ya want, bud... I just wanted to step back from all this raggin' and rantin' for a minute and give it to ya straight from the heart. I wish you the maximum fun and satisfaction whatever bike you decide to buy, and I hope we can get together someday for a little riding and maybe a couple of those beers you carry around in your topcase. :bandit: :motorsmile:
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...found a dealer in Barstow...
Ah, Barstow, gateway to Fort Irwin and Calico, and birthplace of Del Taco. As an childhood desert rat, I actually like the place, although it's on the way to becoming a bedroom community for the Los Angeles Plex.
Of course, it lacks the blue collar charm of Bakersfield...
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Wow, there sure gets to be a lot of bitch-fightin' in these threads! If you want to pick on someone, I'll be your daisy:
What the heck does OTD stand for? On the dollar (since we're talking about retial commissions)? Off the dealer (since you're talking discounts)? Original tire discount? (You can see I am drowing here...)
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OTD... Out The Door.
The total price you pay including prep fees and whatever other BS they can stick you with just to get your bike out the door of the dealership.
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Oh, and just for the record, CWO... here's what your hero Dale Walker had to say about the B1250:
"Dale is very excited about the brand new Suzuki Bandit 1250 and feels this is by far the best Bandit ever produced."
http://www.holeshot.com/
Also, in case you missed it (courtesy of Red01):
http://forums.banditalley.net/viewtopic.php?t=8717
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OTD... Out The Door
Oh, OK, thanks. I misunderstood Gunner's original post as being some sort of commission on the bike he wants to *sell* (for a G.D. gixxer? Is he crazy?), and also he used "$14 OTD" when he meant "$14K OTD". Like they were going to ask for $14 per dollar. Seems like everyone in the discussion understood it but me.
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I gotta say that the 07's torque must be quite something because my 06 sure has a lot of it...and my (stock) dyno run showed it pretty flat (73ft/lbs peak) from 4-7.5K ...And I do like the handling of the 06 as well...what a blast to try them back to back for a real life comparo cuz with the Muzzy, and jet kit I gotta be somewhere close in torque to the 07 and my bike is likely a good 50+ pounds lighter...the new B12.5 may be my next new bike in a few years :grin:
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Stay out of it my friend, its my job to be the bitch-fighter on this board LOL!
...the bitch is back, stone cold sober as a matter of fact...
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I gotta say that the 07's torque must be quite something because my 06 sure has a lot of it...and my (stock) dyno run showed it pretty flat (73ft/lbs peak) from 4-7.5K ...And I do like the handling of the 06 as well...what a blast to try them back to back for a real life comparo cuz with the Muzzy, and jet kit I gotta be somewhere close in torque to the 07 and my bike is likely a good 50+ pounds lighter...the new B12.5 may be my next new bike in a few years :grin:
Dread, #99 and I would like nothing better than to do some intensive test riding with you and your '06... one of us is gonna have to cross the border, how about I meet you half-way somewhere in Montana? :bandit:
Seriously, when it comes to the torque on this B1250, you really have to ride it to get a grasp on it... it's quite amazing. Every review I've read raves about the torque, and when you see these test-guys who have ridden everything under the sun saying things like "the most grunt of any bike I've ever ridden", well.... all I can tell you is I agree with them.
Taking nothing away from your '06 though... with your mods and top-end power it would probably come down to who's the better rider. It's just a matter of preference. I used to be a big high-rev HP fan, but when I twist the throttle on ol' #99 without even looking at the tach or knowing what gear I'm in, it accelerates like a turbo-jet every time. I'm finding this very easy to get used to... in fact it's spoiling the crap out of me. :motorsmile:
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Also had a few bow out of coming over when I told them I was a retired LE officer with a permit to carry.
Thanks for the tip on Craigslist, but why would anyone "bow out" just because you said you were a retired cop with a gun permit???
Come to think of it, why would you tell them that anyway? The Little Woman and I both have our MO carry permits and we pack everywhere we go. I've had CCW's in a half-dozen states, but it's not something I'd tell someone that's coming over to check out a vehicle I'm selling. :headscratch:
Besides, AZ is an open-carry state, is it not? You'd think folks there wouldn't give it a second thought.
And I thought you said you were in the Navy for 30 years... or was it the Coast Guard? Is that what you mean by being a "LE officer"? :shock:
Hmmm.... the plot thickens... :ducking: :yikes: :eek2: :yikes3:
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The Little Woman and I...
Just how little is she?
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The Little Woman and I...
Just how little is she?
5' 2" 130 lbs. of sweet lovin' and fightin' spirit... I'm a lucky man, Sven. :bandit:
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Dread, #99 and I would like nothing better than to do some intensive test riding with you and your '06... one of us is gonna have to cross the border, how about I meet you half-way somewhere in Montana? :bandit:
Not a half bad idea...near the end of June I'm riding out to the West Coast for some rider training (freshen up the skills) then have about 8 days free after that to go for a lil tour.
Seriously, when it comes to the torque on this B1250, you really have to ride it to get a grasp on it... it's quite amazing. Every review I've read raves about the torque, and when you see these test-guys who have ridden everything under the sun saying things like "the most grunt of any bike I've ever ridden", well.... all I can tell you is I agree with them.
Yeah that's my understanding...its also what has me interested in the B12.5
Taking nothing away from your '06 though... with your mods and top-end power it would probably come down to who's the better rider. It's just a matter of preference. I used to be a big high-rev HP fan, but when I twist the throttle on ol' #99 without even looking at the tach or knowing what gear I'm in, it accelerates like a turbo-jet every time. I'm finding this very easy to get used to... in fact it's spoiling the crap out of me. :motorsmile:
You have to realize that the B12 is not a high rev engine either. It makes most of its torque down low and pulls hard to about 8.5K...after that it drops off fairly drastically. So its power curve is about 1K over the B12.5...pretty low for an inline 4...and that's what I like most about the B12, its a nice relaxed engine that has usable power from about 3K on up
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Do I always have to answer the obvious with you??
OK. Navy 8 years, Coast Guard 22 years. I said I had a carry permit because they asked me when I told them I was retired law enforcement officer (LE). Now please don't ask me what the Coast Guard does..
Hey CWO... What does the Coast Guard do??? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Just wondered why you felt you had to tell us about your carry permit... seemed like some self-gratuitous attempt at insinuating you were a gun-totin' badass or some such nonsense.
Also had a few bow out of coming over when I told them I was a retired LE officer with a permit to carry.
Sorry for misjudging you so unfairly, bud... but it does sound a lot like something Barney Fife woulda said. Can't you just picture it? :roll: :lol:
Most people consider the Coast Guard one of the branches of our military, like the National Guard. But hey, if you want to imply that you're an ex-cop than who am I to say differently? :roll:
Seriously, thanks for your service and dedication. :wink:
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Dread, #99 and I would like nothing better than to do some intensive test riding with you and your '06... one of us is gonna have to cross the border, how about I meet you half-way somewhere in Montana? :bandit:
Not a half bad idea...near the end of June I'm riding out to the West Coast for some rider training (freshen up the skills) then have about 8 days free after that to go for a lil tour.
Well that would be great if we could hook up somehow. I have no idea what the near future holds for me as far as riding this summer... it mostly depends on how long it takes to get this shoulder back in shape. But I definitely plan on doing as much touring as I can, when I can.
I'd love to switch bikes with ya and test 'em out... as you know we didn't get any '06 Bandits down here in the states and it would be very cool to have the opportunity to ride one. And I think you'd have a real hoot on my '07 too. We'll just have to see how it works out I guess, it's too early for me to make any commitments. Keep me posted on your travel plans... maybe we could talk Stormi into meeting up somewhere along the way, too... :wink:
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I don't know where the hell you guys are shopping, by my Suzuki dealer has not been able to even close thier eyes and imagine a 1250 on the show room floor.
I keep asking when they are going to get one in and they keep telling me that they don't even know if they are out yet.... :duh:
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That doesn't make any sense. The assembly line is run more than a month a year. Any dealer not ordering them right away can get later built bikes. They ship continuously, NOT one ship and tell the US here's your supply.
More plausible is that dealer probably sells several makes. He orders the biggest sellers of each brand but decides he doesn't have room to store and display "niche" models. It's just a business decission, and he may have even had older Bandits sit around for years too. After all, you can still find leftover 2003-2005 Bandits at dealers still.
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Their is a mom & pop dealer up in Kingman AZ I do most my business with and they educated me that orders for the West Coast are placed in September for the following years model by each dealer who must decide if they want to carry the inventory. Inventories are then shipped to regional warehouses but belong to the dealer who made the order. If no order is made by the deadline, no more inventory is shipped for that model year and dealers must negotiate with other dealers who have stock on hand in the regional warehouse or on the showroom floor for a commission if the dealer agrees. Your dealers didn't place any orders because he didn't feel he could move the product and is just making an excuse.
Well, you might want to find another source for your "education" there, bud.
Designated shipments come into the U.S. as they are built off the assembly line. One batch will go to the U.K., one to Canada, then to the U.S. When they arrive in port they are distributed to the warehouses and those dealers who put their orders in first get priority. That's why there is a surplus here and a shortage there.... until they figure out what sells best where.
Dealers who sell more get proirity on the warehouse inventory. For example, Drinnon's in West Plains sold 2 B1250's in the first 2 weeks... so the warehouse immediately shipped another one to them... it's now on the showroom floor.
The next U.S. shipment will either be a batch of red standard models, or a batch of blue ABS models. I think Betty mentioned something about the ABS ones coming next, I'm not sure.
I'm just glad I ordered my B1250 last winter, so I got the color I wanted and didn't have to wait any longer... :bandit:
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More plausible is that dealer probably sells several makes. He orders the biggest sellers of each brand but decides he doesn't have room to store and display "niche" models. It's just a business decission...
This what I have observed. Here in Memphis, where we have 9-month riding season (unless you're a hardcore commuter like the Svenster), the dealerships sell two or three marques. The Yama/Suzi dealer near me stocks only about three Suzi models: M109, 'Busa, and Gixxer. The other local dealers have similar "depth" in each marque they sell.
In places where the riding season is long, the stores are bigger and they sometimes carry five manufacturers, but the depth of the models for each brand continue to be shallow.
The bikes come in big boxes that can be stacked in a warehouse, but inventory costs money upfront and makes nothing while it sits in warehouse crate or showroom floor.
So those of us who like a product that doens't sell as quickly have to work a little harder to find what we want and to get a good deal.
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...orders for the West Coast are placed in September for the following years model by each dealer...no more inventory is shipped for that model year and dealers must negotiate with other dealers...
That doesn't really match what I know about how ANY product is stocked, but it may be the way the network that dealership uses works.
We know riceburners are packed into containers and shipped from Japan. At port, the containers go on trains, barge,s or 18-wheelers until they reach a warehouse, which may belong to the manufacturer, or may belong to a cooperative of individual dealers, like the PowerSports Network.
It sounds like your dealer belongs to a cooperative that places orders less-frequently, and then trans-ships between dealers depending on what's selling where. But once-a-year? I'd find it hard to believe that represents the whole story.
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07 GSXR1000's from dealers on ebay. Hmm... some low midwest prices. Must be a scam. :lol:
http://motors.search.ebay.com/2007-gsxr-1000_W0QQfromZR40QQfsooZ2QQfsopZ3QQsbrsrtZd
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How comfy do you think that little cardboard seat is... especially for a 50-year-old butt? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Hey, there's a B1250 on Ebay too for under $8K. Nice seat! :wink:
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Next thing you know he'll be 'educating' us as to how much faster, better handling, and cheaper the GSXR1000 is than the Honda Gold Wing. :lol:
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Next thing you know he'll be 'educating' us as to how much faster, better handling, and cheaper the GSXR1000 is than the Honda Gold Wing. :lol:
He heee... You know, for a mere $6K he could equip the Gixxer with a big hydraulic heated seat, high handlebars, giant top-trunk and big hard side-cases, chrome bumpers all around, GPS, heated grips, big windshield, floor boards, extra LED lights, air horns and various other bells and whistles and he'll have a really fast but super-comfy "sport" tourer. :bandit:
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Wish me well...this brings me within $4500 of the GSX-R...and the b12.5, which for obvious reasons I must pass on.
Sorry, I can't wish anyone success in buying a gixxer. They are for ghetto kids and poseurs, the HD of the sportbike world. *You're making a huge mistake!* Dunno why it would be obvious to pass up a cheaper bike with a more comfortable riding position and something that has unique style. You want fast, get the Kawa ZX-14. Hey, I want you to be happy, but in six months you'll be whining about buying the gixxer. Why not keep the B12 and wait a bit?
As for me, I'm gonna win the Braveheart 919 to tide me over until I get my Concours 14.
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Wish me well...this brings me within $4500 of the GSX-R...and the b12.5, which for obvious reasons I must pass on.
Sorry, I can't wish anyone success in buying a gixxer. They are for ghetto kids and poseurs, the HD of the sportbike world. *You're making a huge mistake!* Dunno why it would be obvious to pass up a cheaper bike with a more comfortable riding position and something that has unique style. You want fast, get the Kawa ZX-14. Hey, I want you to be happy, but in six months you'll be whining about buying the gixxer. Why not keep the B12 and wait a bit?
The word "obvious" means something that is plain to see... but in this case the only thing that is obvious is CWO's stubborn disdain of a bike that is getting rave reviews all around and selling like hotcakes.
This whole thread is mostly us trying to talk some sense into the guy, but it's falling on deaf ears. He's just going to have to learn the hard way. Oh well, we tried. It's his money, after all... :roll:
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Dread, #99 and I would like nothing better than to do some intensive test riding with you and your '06... one of us is gonna have to cross the border, how about I meet you half-way somewhere in Montana? :bandit:
Not a half bad idea...near the end of June I'm riding out to the West Coast for some rider training (freshen up the skills) then have about 8 days free after that to go for a lil tour.
Well that would be great if we could hook up somehow. I have no idea what the near future holds for me as far as riding this summer... it mostly depends on how long it takes to get this shoulder back in shape. But I definitely plan on doing as much touring as I can, when I can.
<snip> Keep me posted on your travel plans... maybe we could talk Stormi into meeting up somewhere along the way, too... :wink:
Hey wait,.. you were gonna meet me around Minnesota but you'll come as far as Montana for Dreadnought? :stickpoke:
Dreadnought and I are, for all intents and purposes, in the same city. No meet up necessary. Grab katamaniac and Sven, and some others "out your way" and we could see who else turns up...
You know,.. if we could get a few people together, we could have a little Bandit meet, and ride "Going to the sun" (West Glacier NP (http://www.nps.gov/archive/glac/gtsr/gttsroad.html)). Montana may be doable for me this year, if a couple of cards fall into place when they're supposed to.
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...it is a great focus bike as I sell to prepare for bigger things in my life.
You've been talking about selling off a lot of stuff and moving on to a new phase of life. I don't know if I've missed a post which explains the transition you're going through, or if you've chosen to keep the details private. If you don't mind sharing (or repeating what you've previously shared), I'd be interested in hearing more.
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FYI, just so you know I'm not off track on this bike...
Different four-strokes for different folks.
The Bandit and the Gixxer have very different riding positions, along with the differences in power and performance. I personally do not want to ride with my weight on my wrists. I also don't like riding with my feet up like I'm at an OB/GYN, so I don't care for cruisers. I like the posture of a standard, and the options in that area are limited.
I also don't like all the plastic shrouding on sportbikes, so the bike doens't appeal to me visually. The fact that it takes a field guide to tell the model years part is even less appealing. "...Let's see, the blue stripe is slightly wider, must be an '05".
There's something off-putting to me about seeing bikes and riders who all look identical, whether they be leather-clad middle-aged Harley riders, or minimum-wage 20-somethings in textiles on Gixxers.
All this is to say, that *nothing* about the Gixxer appeals to me, no matter how many good reviews it may get.
In all sincerity, while I may tease you a bit about the bike you've chosen, I respect that it's your choice and your money, and I wish you many miles of safe riding on it.
But when you wake up, hung over, the morning after the honeymoon, and realize you married a mule, don't have so much pride that you can't unass yourself of it!
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Dread, #99 and I would like nothing better than to do some intensive test riding with you and your '06... one of us is gonna have to cross the border, how about I meet you half-way somewhere in Montana? :bandit:
Not a half bad idea...near the end of June I'm riding out to the West Coast for some rider training (freshen up the skills) then have about 8 days free after that to go for a lil tour.
Well that would be great if we could hook up somehow. I have no idea what the near future holds for me as far as riding this summer... it mostly depends on how long it takes to get this shoulder back in shape. But I definitely plan on doing as much touring as I can, when I can.
<snip> Keep me posted on your travel plans... maybe we could talk Stormi into meeting up somewhere along the way, too... :wink:
Hey wait,.. you were gonna meet me around Minnesota but you'll come as far as Montana for Dreadnought? :stickpoke:
Dreadnought and I are, for all intents and purposes, in the same city. No meet up necessary. Grab katamaniac and Sven, and some others "out your way" and we could see who else turns up...
You know,.. if we could get a few people together, we could have a little Bandit meet, and ride "Going to the sun" (West Glacier NP (http://www.nps.gov/archive/glac/gtsr/gttsroad.html)). Montana may be doable for me this year, if a couple of cards fall into place when they're supposed to.
Ha! I had a sneaking suspicion that this could evolve into something like a meet, or group ride /rendezvous. The Autumn CanAm Expeditionary Rally... or A.C.E. Rally. Huh? Huh? :bigok:
I'd be up for it as long as it was late enough in the year that I'm healed up good, and that it focused more on camping than the usual motel/hotel fare. I know, roughing it isn't for everyone, and September in Montana isn't exactly ideal or predictable weather, but that's why we call it an expedition, ya'll... go tough or go home! :bandit:
If ya'll are serious about this, maybe we should move this discussion over to the appropriate section instead of clogging up CWO's Gixxer thread here, aye?
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Well don't worry, I'm actually not selling all my bikes to get the GSXR but it is a great focus bike as I sell to prepare for bigger things in my life.
CWO, you've had friends that were going through trying times in life, haven't you? And you've seen some of those friends make rash decisions, no matter how hard you tried to talk them out of it, right? It's like they were completely oblivious to their own irrational thinking. Yeah, I'm talking about you, my friend.
We may be flipping you a lot of crap here, but you are a member/contributor of this board, a fellow rider, and hopefully a friend. If we didn't care about ya, we wouldn't be wasting all this time and energy.
I just don't see why you would be so negative about the B1250. Is it just because I have one? And you can't stand the thought of owning the same bike as me? Or is it because you've been trashing it so long now that it would seem like you're admitting "defeat" if you bought one?
Both poor reasons to miss out on a great bike.
What would the harm be if you test rode both the gixxer and the B1250 before you made up your mind? Isn't that the most prudent and wise thing to do? You are normally a very thoughtful and purposeful thinker, are you not? What is making you so reckless and impulsive now? Think about it.
There's a lot of truth to what Sven said:
But when you wake up, hung over, the morning after the honeymoon, and realize you married a mule, don't have so much pride that you can't unass yourself of it!
One more point and I'll STFU.
This is BanditAlley... and you just contributed to it. If you buy a gixxer, you'll have to go to the gixxer/squid boards to get your tech data. And you wouldn't like it there, believe me. :roll:
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This is BanditAlley... and you just contributed to it. If you buy a gixxer, you'll have to go to the gixxer/squid boards to get your tech data. And you wouldn't like it there, believe me. :roll:
Not true. He'll get -real- info on the internet by going to sites other than the typical gixxer sites. He'll get tons of technical info on things he doesn't want to do on those typical sites, but I can't help but believe that there is a forum somewhere for him for the info he needs.
I've seen it on many a forum. You don't think my -first- stop was BanditAlley, do you? And even though I own "Brand X" as well, note I come here when something's wrong? A couple of reasons for that:
1. I have community here. I posted one thread to the Hornet's Nest, after lurking for ages, when Blue got lowsided, it was an emergency - I couldn't wait for introductions. The community seemed friendly, but they really didn't help me out with my problem
2. The crowd is a little more mature here, so I know that I won't have to deal with "just ride it into the ground" or "WTF, it's a Honda! We don't Dooooo Honda" type responses.
3. Bikes are, when you get right down to it, not all that different under their skirts. Good troubleshooting with a "similar" product, or experience will often get you to the root of the problem. This is even better now that the bigger Bandits are coming with FI and liquid cooling.
We are -not- kicking you out of here, Gunner. If we were, I would have let you leave when you threatened to on MaxSuk... of course I didn't know about the gixxer then,... :stickpoke:
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Ha! I had a sneaking suspicion that this could evolve into something like a meet, or group ride /rendezvous. The Autumn CanAm Expeditionary Rally... or A.C.E. Rally. Huh? Huh? :bigok:
I'd be up for it as long as it was late enough in the year that I'm healed up good, and that it focused more on camping than the usual motel/hotel fare. I know, roughing it isn't for everyone, and September in Montana isn't exactly ideal or predictable weather, but that's why we call it an expedition, ya'll... go tough or go home! :bandit:
If ya'll are serious about this, maybe we should move this discussion over to the appropriate section instead of clogging up CWO's Gixxer thread here, aye?
Of course I open my yap, knowing full well that there's a -chance- I won't be able to do any long rides this year. But if the cards get dealt in the right order, I should be OK.
I might be willing to camp, we do that all the time when we go to the mountains,... depends on how long though, and how cold it is. Cold makes me ache, so I tend to want a warm bed, under a solid roof.
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We are -not- kicking you out of here, Gunner.
Heck, no! We've lost a couple great voices around here over the past year. Besides, just because someone no longer owns a particular bike doesn't mean they lose their knowledge of maintenance, supplies, ride routes, etc.
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Jeezus, you guys... when I said this:
This is BanditAlley... and you just contributed to it. If you buy a gixxer, you'll have to go to the gixxer/squid boards to get your tech data. And you wouldn't like it there, believe me.
it was meant tonque-in-cheek... as a joking incentive to stick around. NOT even remotely intended to "kick out" anyone. :roll:
Haven't ya'll figured out my warped sense of humor yet? :taz: :duh: :roll: :bandit:
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Haven't ya'll figured out my warped sense of humor yet? :taz: :duh: :roll: :bandit:
I got the warped part,... :stickpoke:
I knew it wasn't a "push off"... I just figured with all the interpretation things going around, that I'd add my
$ .0173913USD
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Jeezus, you guys... when I said this:
This is BanditAlley... and you just contributed to it. If you buy a gixxer, you'll have to go to the gixxer/squid boards to get your tech data. And you wouldn't like it there, believe me.
it was meant tonque-in-cheek... as a joking incentive to stick around. NOT even remotely intended to "kick out" anyone. :roll:
Haven't ya'll figured out my warped sense of humor yet? :taz: :duh: :roll: :bandit:
That's how I took it... anyone that's been around here very long knows we never kick anyone out once their Bandit is gone. Even if they don't replace the bike at all. We've got former Bandit owners with Speed Triples, Hayabusas, CBR's, Hornets, and so on. I didn't take what you said as an invitation to leave, just he wouldn't get Gixxer-spefic stuff from us and for that, he'd hafta go somewhere else... and that's probably true unless someone else here has experience with that bike, too.
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I wasn't worried about Gunner running off to his bedroom in tears. I was just trying to show the softer side of Sears.
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Hey wait,.. you were gonna meet me around Minnesota but you'll come as far as Montana for Dreadnought? :stickpoke:
Its a guy thing :lol:
Dreadnought and I are, for all intents and purposes, in the same city. No meet up necessary. Grab katamaniac and Sven, and some others "out your way" and we could see who else turns up...
You know,.. if we could get a few people together, we could have a little Bandit meet, and ride "Going to the sun" (West Glacier NP (http://www.nps.gov/archive/glac/gtsr/gttsroad.html)). Montana may be doable for me this year, if a couple of cards fall into place when they're supposed to.
As I have mentioned I will be riding out to the coast (June 21-Jul 2) but I could be persuaded to break up that block of time if something begins to form up over the next month...otherwise I'll have used up all of my vac time for this year (going to Disneyland and San Diego over Xmas and New Years) :grin:
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dont forget the guy who just got a buell! LOL i have been off my bandit for almost 3 1/2 years and no one kicked me off yet? :stickpoke: if ya want to know stuff about a first egn bandit i still remeber some stuff. now that you mention it i dont think i have gotten any useful info for my triple here? :roll: i still like to keep in touch with the bandit guys from the rallies i have been to. and have met some good riding buddies from this site.
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Hey wait,.. you were gonna meet me around Minnesota but you'll come as far as Montana for Dreadnought? :stickpoke:
Its a guy thing :lol:
Dreadnought and I are, for all intents and purposes, in the same city. No meet up necessary. Grab katamaniac and Sven, and some others "out your way" and we could see who else turns up...
You know,.. if we could get a few people together, we could have a little Bandit meet, and ride "Going to the sun" (West Glacier NP (http://www.nps.gov/archive/glac/gtsr/gttsroad.html)). Montana may be doable for me this year, if a couple of cards fall into place when they're supposed to.
As I have mentioned I will be riding out to the coast (June 21-Jul 2) but I could be persuaded to break up that block of time if something begins to form up over the next month...otherwise I'll have used up all of my vac time for this year (going to Disneyland and San Diego over Xmas and New Years) :grin:
Well there's not much chance of me being ready for a long trip by July 4th, though I'm hoping I'll be riding at least a couple hours a day by then locally. I'm thinking for me, it'll be late August or early September before I'm ready for 500 mile days and tent camping.
That doesn't mean ya'll can't get together without me though... sure I'll be envious but I sure wouldn't want to hold back anyone's fun. :motorsmile:
But if ya'll think there's enough interest to get a Autumn CanAm Expedition together for say, the first 2 weeks of September... I think I could be up for that. Maybe we could find a way for those who want to do the motel thing along with the camping types... there's plenty of campgrounds that have tent space and cabins too, I would think.
Do ya'll think it's worth starting an A.C.E. Rally thread in the Rides/Events section and see if it catches on?
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dont forget the guy who just got a buell! LOL i have been off my bandit for almost 3 1/2 years and no one kicked me off yet? :stickpoke: if ya want to know stuff about a first egn bandit i still remeber some stuff. now that you mention it i dont think i have gotten any useful info for my triple here? :roll: i still like to keep in touch with the bandit guys from the rallies i have been to. and have met some good riding buddies from this site.
I still hang out at the V-Strom Riders International board even though I sold my V-Strom... I like the folks there and we've had a few folks come here and stay overnight on their travels... just as anyone on this board is welcome here for bed and breakfast.
Think of our farm as a way-station and sanctuary for two-wheeled travelers. We have lots of room for camping, a trailer, motorhome, and even a spare apartment with shower and kitchenette.
Plus a fully equipped shop with welders, compressor/air tools, even a cranky old tire machine for any repairs one would need on their bike.
In fact we've been talking about having a little weekend get-together and invite folks from here and the V-Strom board too... there's lots of great asphalt twisties for the sporty riders, and lots of gravel roads for the adventure riders. Be kind of cool to get folks from two genres of motorcycles together in one place, ya think?
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That would be awsome Zen Man.Any time you gather a bunch of good pepole,motorcycles,where there are good places to ride and good envirment to stay ,all sounds good to me. Don't know if I can make it or not,but it sure sounds like fun. Dan
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Hey Zen, sounds like you have the perfect setup for a m/c campground like the ones in The Tail of the Dragon area.
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Hey Zen, sounds like you have the perfect setup for a m/c campground like the ones in The Tail of the Dragon area.
It already is... but there are no fees and I'll even cook ya breakfast. :bandit:
There's a 50-mile stretch of road here that has over 100 curves in it... everything from tight to sweeping, off-camber to double-apex. And a dozen parks and picnic areas at several rivers and lakes to stop for breaks. In the summer groups of motorcycles are always going up and down.
There's several 100-mile "loops" I ride that have diverse road surfaces, curves, straights, and roller-coaster hills... some you can get air on if you take them over 100 mph. And when I had my V-Strom, half the miles I put on her were back-country gravel roads... hundreds of miles of them.
And here I am stuck in this sling... it's a gorgeous day out, too. AAARRGGHH! :duh:
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I was just thinkin' if you ever needed cash in your retirement, you could do a m/c camp for fee instead of free.
50 miles and 100 curves? That qualifies as a straight road around here. :wink:
One of my faves 'round here is the road up Mt. Constitution on Orcas Island. 82 curves in 5 miles with a elevation change of ~2000'. The ferry ride out to the island is quite scenic as it weaves thru the San Juan Islands and the view from the top of Mt. Connie ain't half bad either.
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d35/paulweit/Bulldogs%20Banditfest/Orcas06.jpg)
But then, you ought to know that, you used to live 'round here, right? I just needed a reason to post a pic from a past ride since I'm stuck @ work and it's finally clearing up here.
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Nice pic! :bigok:
I was just thinkin' if you ever needed cash in your retirement, you could do a m/c camp for fee instead of free.
Hey, I'm semi-retired now... I don't want to have to work that hard!
If it evolves, I'll set up a donation box and use the money to improve the facilities. If I charged fees, then people would have the right to complain and demand things. Why would I want that? :roll:
50 miles and 100 curves? That qualifies as a straight road around here. :wink:
One of my faves 'round here is the road up Mt. Constitution on Orcas Island. 82 curves in 5 miles with a elevation change of ~2000'.
82 curves in 5 miles is way too much... like a go-cart track. You can't really get up to speed.
Our roads are more like race courses... you have enough straights in between to get up over 140 mph and then hard-brake and downshift to get around a series of S's, and the hills are up AND down instead of a constant grade. Huge fun! :bandit:
But then, you ought to know that, you used to live 'round here, right? I just needed a reason to post a pic from a past ride since I'm stuck @ work and it's finally clearing up here.
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I feel for ya. :sad: I'm in a similar boat.
Speaking of boats, I didn't ride many ferries except the Kingston/Edmonds commute... but I did have a timeshare on a Catalina 27 and sailed that baby around the San Juans a few times. I sure miss it. :wink:
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Its a guy thing :lol:
Oh sure,.. that's always the answer I get when something doesn't make sense. :wink:
As I have mentioned I will be riding out to the coast (June 21-Jul 2) but I could be persuaded to break up that block of time if something begins to form up over the next month...otherwise I'll have used up all of my vac time for this year (going to Disneyland and San Diego over Xmas and New Years) :grin:
Late June/ Early July -may- be a little early for me... but I should know a little more later in the month ( i.e. May)
I'm thinking for me, it'll be late August or early September before I'm ready for 500 mile days and tent camping.
Wow,.. 500mile days? I don't know that I've ever -driven- that far in a day...
Sometime in the "summer" works best for me,.. that way I can arrange child care. During school time, I have no one to make sure the almost teenager doesn't get into too much.
Do ya'll think it's worth starting an A.C.E. Rally thread in the Rides/Events section and see if it catches on?
Sure,.. go ahead and start it, we'll see what happens. I have a couple of contributing factors that are going to determine whether or not I can manage this this year, but I don't mind being in on the planning if nothing else.
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Wow,.. 500mile days? I don't know that I've ever -driven- that far in a day...
I guess my longest two-wheel day was about 15 miles short of that, but I've done the 17-hours behind the wheel thing several times. You get a little spacey when you stop at McDonald's to offload a little fluid and pick up some more, and it has the same decor/theme as the one two states back.
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Wow,.. 500mile days? I don't know that I've ever -driven- that far in a day...
I guess my longest two-wheel day was about 15 miles short of that, but I've done the 17-hours behind the wheel thing several times. You get a little spacey when you stop at McDonald's to offload a little fluid and pick up some more, and it has the same decor/theme as the one two states back.
Geez!! What's with you and offloading fluid?? :stickpoke:
Hmm,.. my longest ride so far has been a mere 300kms. And I took a -lot- of photo breaks. I may have to build up some endurance before this...
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Well, I started a thread in the "Rides/Events" section... anybody wanna talk about it there?
Hey, I'm not suggesting we all ride 500 miles a day for the rally... that's just the goal I usually set for myself when I want to get somewhere. Freeway riding at 80-90 mph eats up a lot of miles in a day, but once I'm there I like to relax and just ride at whatever pace everybody is comfortable with.
Boy, ya sure have to be careful what ya say around here... :roll:
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Geez!! What's with you and offloading fluid?? :stickpoke:
I drink a lot of fluids! I usually put away nearly 100oz at work, I try to get in 32oz before work, and will do another 64 at night.
I've always been a "heavy drinker", which is why taking time to stop and rehydrate on the MC is such a hard habit to learn, but more important to me that it might be to others. But no, I don't want to learn to wear a camelpak.
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But no, I don't want to learn to wear a camelpak.
...or an EZ-Leaker/Stadium Pal (http://www.biorelief.com/store/stadiumpal.html#)
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Oregon is a big state, so I have no idea of what's within 500 miles of his home, but here's what I found in just a few minutes:
There a naked B12 with 17K on it for $5300 near my place on Craigslist-Seattle right here. (http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/mcy/319405744.html) This bike is ~220 miles up I-5 from the WA/OR border. There was a green S model sitting in Stanwood yesterday for sale as I drove thru town on my way home yesterday, but I didn't stop to see any details on it.
The Portland, OR Craigslist has a bone-stock '03 B12S with 9800 miles right here (http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/mcy/321373244.html) (it's across the river from Portland in WA) and a "One Of A Kind Custom - Scary Fast" '99 with only 16K here. (http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/mcy/320105182.html) In his defense, the '99 just listed today and the '03 yesterday and the N model last Thursday.
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But no, I don't want to learn to wear a camelpak.
...or an EZ-Leaker/Stadium Pal (http://www.biorelief.com/store/stadiumpal.html#)
We may be talking at cross purposes. I don't see the need for a Stadium Pal, since I can just run a hose from, uh, my hose, to the ground, like the air box drain on the bike. That would work while riding (although the vehicles behind me might wonder why they are getting a free windshield washing) or at the Beale Street Music Fest this weekend...who's gonna notice if the ground gets a little muddy for not apparent reason.
What I need is a fluid *intake* system, not so much a catheter as much as an I.V.
The Camelbak system or the Beer Belly are more in line with my needs, although the Beer Belly's...uh, dispenser, would certainly be something less than inconspicuous in any situation, and on the bike, I'd need to the order the John Holmes edition (which women everywhere like to call "the Sven").
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But I thought you said you didn't wanna wear a camelback - which I took to mean a hydration system. The EZleaker (if it's still available, I couldn't find a working website for them) works like the airbox drain, whereas the Stadium Pal puts your waste fluid in a bag, so the folks behind you DON'T get a free windshield wash.
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But I thought you said you didn't wanna wear a...hydration system.
The EZleaker works like the airbox drain...
1) I don't wanna wear a hydration system but as much as I like to drink, I really SHOULD.
B) I hadn't seen the EZ Leaker, and from you original post, thought you meant it was the saem as the Stadium Pal. But with your added explanation, I think I could find a LOT of use for one. You're right, I can't find a place that sells 'em, but I see several references to them. Shouldn't be to hard to fabricate one.
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What is wrong with the small water bottles in the truck? The small ones fit everywhere and are just about the right amount for a drink brake even if you drink more. Incidentally having a big appetite for water can be a warning sign of diabetes.
I have alwasy drunk a lot of fluids, nothing new and nothing to beworried about. Like I said somewhere way before, I have a problem remembering to stop and drink...on a hot summer day, I shouldn't go 2-3 hours without a stop, but I get focused and do that.
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B12 sale update. My buyer from OR is getting annoyed with me because I am insisting that if he wants to buy the bike sight unseen that he complete a money transfer from a valid BOA account to my BOA account. After which I will accept his shipper who will have to sign a witnessed inventory of all items taken and their condition, allow copy of his drivers license, license plate and VIN number of the truck. Also the buyer will have to fax me a signed copy releasing me of all liability should he not receive the items and that he accept the item in the running and working condition as received from his shipper if received at all.
He told me I was way too suspicious and I told him he was correct and that he could back out at anytime.
Jeezus, CWO... I bet your a real hoot at parties, huh? :roll:
Personally, once I have the cash in hand (or cleared safely into my account), I consider the item to be the buyer's responsibilty. Who he sends to pick it up is up to him. But I suppose you consider that to be "foolish", aye?
Look, we've all been burned one way or the other... but I still try to give folks the benefit of the doubt. I wasn't born yesterday, and I can "smell" a bad deal... but has this guy given you any reason to be so paranoid? I found most fellow motorcycle enthusiasts to be a pretty good bunch of folks. :motorsmile:
Have you considered that all your demands might be taken as a bit insulting to one's integrity? If I was him, I would've probably told you to go take a flying leap by now... :roll:
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B12 sale update...
Seems like you're making it a lot harder than it has to be. You want to do only a couple things:
--Make sure you safely receive payment. EFT or cashier's check is is guaranteed by the issuing bank, so the buyer doens't have to have a BankAmerica account. (Or accept a money order.)
--Get documentation (a short letter) authorizing the buyer's agent to accept delivery.
--Get the buyer's agent to sign a letter that documents what you're transferring to the buyer. In this case, the buyer's agent will have to acknowledge acceptance of the vehicle, any accessories, and a statement as to the vehicle's condition.
--Sign the back of the title and FedEx it to the new owner, unless he directs you to give that to the agent.
I don't know why you need all the other stuff...the agent's driver's license and VIN, a statement of liability, etc. That's between the agent and the buyer. The letter from the buyer to you authorizing the agent is all you need.
All this sounds simple to me because I write for work all the time. I suspect you may not be as confident at the keyboard. If you'd feel more comfortable, spend $6 to download this format, which you can reuse as needed. http://www.findlegalforms.com/xcart/customer/product.php?productid=28259&cat=1324&page=1
Last summer I found a free format for a bill of sale for a truck on the web, but I'm not seeing it now. Or go to OfficeMax/Staples/Office Depot and buy a blank form; they stock a variety of common forms.
If you haven't already cheesed your buyer off, you can rescue this sale.
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If you'd feel more comfortable, spend $6 to download this format, which you can reuse as needed. http://www.findlegalforms.com/xcart/customer/product.php?productid=28259&cat=1324&page=1
Please note that you can view a sample letter so you can see what you're getting for your $6...or if you're really feeling industrious, you can type a letter following the free sample (which you canot download or edit).
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Wow,.. 500mile days? I don't know that I've ever -driven- that far in a day...
I guess my longest two-wheel day was about 15 miles short of that, but I've done the 17-hours behind the wheel thing several times. You get a little spacey when you stop at McDonald's to offload a little fluid and pick up some more, and it has the same decor/theme as the one two states back.
My longest stint on a bike was just over 790 miles in a single journey. I wouldn't do it these days but when you're young you relish such challenges.
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Anyway my suspicion level was raised to condition red when the guy told me he was planning on backing out of a purchase for a used 05 B12 he completed on Ebay...my noted demands mentioned, included a request for the eBay transaction number he mentioned to validate his story
I don't know why *either* of you even mentioned an eBay purchase. Whether he is trying to corner the market on used Bandits, or whether he made a mistake and it was a different model/location, or whether he was running his yap to "impress" you...none of these are related to your sale any more than my intentions of shoplifting a canned ham from Kroger as soon as I leave your yard sale.
That's why you want a secure form a payment...once you have EFT or cashier's check (to be delivered by the buyer's agent), anything else he might have done on eBay is speculative. (Of course, you also want the other documentation I previously mentioned.)
I believe your difficulties in selling the Bandit are Yahweh's gentle nudge to stop trying to SELL the bike and just RIDE it!
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If you'd feel more comfortable, spend $6 to download this format, which you can reuse as needed. http://www.findlegalforms.com/xcart/customer/product.php?productid=28259&cat=1324&page=1
Please note that you can view a sample letter so you can see what you're getting for your $6...or if you're really feeling industrious, you can type a letter following the free sample (which you canot download or edit).
http://www.servicealberta.gov.ab.ca/pdf/registries/reg3126.pdf
I use this one. It says Alberta on it, but you could cross that out. Free, and it's reusable, provided by our government, so I know it has everything on it that's needed to transfer ownership.
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Geez!! What's with you and offloading fluid?? :stickpoke:
I drink a lot of fluids! I usually put away nearly 100oz at work, I try to get in 32oz before work, and will do another 64 at night.
OK,.. let me rephrase that,.. What's with the talk about your "creative" ways to offload it. :wink: Must be a guy thing. :stickpoke:
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OK,.. let me rephrase that,.. What's with the talk about your "creative" ways to offload it.
There are so many things to be done in any day, some things need to be done as efficiently as possible.
Besides, I am just a creative guy!
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otherwise cashiers checks and personal checks even though cleared electronically can turn up bad paper
Huh? A cashier's check is issued by my bank, immediately withdrawing funds from my account. That's why it's so important not to lose one after it's printed....it's like cash. No risk to you in accepting one, which is why they are used when paying off a vehicle loan or at act of sale/closing on a mortgage. Just make sure you have my cashier's check in your hand before I have your bike keys in *my* hand!
I *never* suggested you accept a personal check, which is really nothing more than a promise to pay. Lumping these two things in the same category is a mistake.
While I mentioned EFT, I would prefer a cashier's check.
But I don't understand why anyone would tell you it makes any difference whether you tell me you bank account and routing information because we have the same bank, versus if we have a different bank. Either way, you told me your information...which is nothing more than I can get from the bottom of one of your checks or deposit slips.
You're an adult, you should do what you want, but you need to make sure you really grasp the details on these different payment channels.
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I use this one. It says Alberta on it, but you could cross that out.
So some woman named Alberta buys so many motorcycles, the government has posted a form letter for her use? Alberta, huh? She sounds like a she might be a big-boned gal, with a wispy little 'stache the tickles when she kisses. Got a pic of her you can post?
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I use this one. It says Alberta on it, but you could cross that out.
So some woman named Alberta buys so many motorcycles, the government has posted a form letter for her use? Alberta, huh? She sounds like a she might be a big-boned gal, with a wispy little 'stache the tickles when she kisses. Got a pic of her you can post?
You asked for it... .
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:scaredmouse: AHHHHHH! MY EYES!!
You can't drink that thing pretty, I don't care what your sex or preferences are!
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http://www.servicealberta.gov.ab.ca/pdf/registries/reg3126.pdf
Any guesses on which member of this forum is tech support for the Ministry behind the above URL? :wink:
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http://www.servicealberta.gov.ab.ca/pdf/registries/reg3126.pdf
Any guesses on which member of this forum is tech support for the Ministry behind the above URL? :wink:
Seriously?? That's funny as hell. What are the odds I'd have managed to find that link and post it?
A Government man eh?
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I you would ware the tangerine lip gloss as I suggested it would add flesh tone and give you a more petite look.
Oops- sorry, I get it this is Alberta LOL
Does that thing actually have lips? How would you know if there was flesh tone, through the fur?
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I you would ware the tangerine lip gloss as I suggested it would add flesh tone and give you a more petite look.
Why did you post a pic of Dr. Teeth? So you have one of the rest of the band?
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Cashiers checks are no longer safe for individuals...
OK, I yield.
I don't understand why a *real* cashier's check from the bank would not be 100% safe, since it represents actual cash which is deducted from the account holder's balance at the time it's issued. In other words, it is cash that has been transformed into a portable instrument. Unless the bank it's drawn on would suddenly fold, you should be safe. Anyone who knows more about cashier's checks is welcome to educate me (or all of us) on the topic.
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You asked for it...
Wow, it must really get cold up in Canadia...the broads all look like Chow Chows. I bet if you shave her, she looks like a shar-pei.
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A Government man eh?
Ugh. Ticks, sucking on the taxpayers blood. Should all be done away with....
(Which was more ironic when my profile to the left listed me as a "government brainiac" instead of proud Bandit Alley tote bag holder.)
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(Which was more ironic when my profile to the left listed me as a "government brainiac" instead of proud Bandit Alley tote bag holder.)
Could be worse..... it could say "forum jockstrap" :bomb:
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http://www.servicealberta.gov.ab.ca/pdf/registries/reg3126.pdf
Any guesses on which member of this forum is tech support for the Ministry behind the above URL? :wink:
Seriously?? That's funny as hell. What are the odds I'd have managed to find that link and post it?
A Government man eh?
Not a Gov't guy...but I am outsourced to Service Alberta...I built a lot of the environments for them but am moving away from hardware into an architecture role.
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(Which was more ironic when my profile to the left listed me as a "government brainiac" instead of proud Bandit Alley tote bag holder.)
Could be worse..... it could say "forum jockstrap" :bomb:
I could change that you know.... :toofunny:
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I you would ware the tangerine lip gloss as I suggested it would add flesh tone and give you a more petite look.
Why did you post a pic of Dr. Teeth? So you have one of the rest of the band?
Ask and you shall receive...
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Sometimes. :wink:
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Not a Gov't guy...but I am outsourced to Service Alberta...I built a lot of the environments for them but am moving away from hardware into an architecture role.
So,.. are they using anything other than windows solutions up there yet?
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I could change that you know....
Be *very* careful...you wouldn't want to risk "Svengeance"!
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(Which was more ironic when my profile to the left listed me as a "government brainiac" instead of proud Bandit Alley tote bag holder.)
Hey, you got a tote bag?
How come I didn't get a tote bag???
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You didn't get a Suzuki yellow tote bag with "I get it from strangers at Bandit Alley" printed on the side? Maybe you didn't contribute at the "suggested level"?
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Cashiers checks are no longer safe for individuals...
OK, I yield.
I don't understand why a *real* cashier's check from the bank would not be 100% safe, since it represents actual cash which is deducted from the account holder's balance at the time it's issued. In other words, it is cash that has been transformed into a portable instrument. Unless the bank it's drawn on would suddenly fold, you should be safe. Anyone who knows more about cashier's checks is welcome to educate me (or all of us) on the topic.
Hmmm... we've used cashier's checks several times for land purchases in amounts up to $40,000 dollars... same as cash. Titles were signed over upon deposit. Real estate agents use them all the time as good as gold.
Sven, don't get frustrated... we all realize by now that CWO lives in an alternate universe where gixxers are comfortable, bikes are cheaper in California, and bank/cashiers checks aren't worth the paper they're printed on.
I think it's some kind of tear in the fabric of space/time that enables him to communicate with us through the ethereal virtual space of the internet... sorta like a wormhole from Bizzarro World, y'know? :bandit:
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I could change that you know....
Be *very* careful...you wouldn't want to risk "Svengeance"!
I dunno... I gots the power here.... except when Red or Pitter or Txbanditrdr pull a fast on on me. :stickpoke:
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Hey, you got a tote bag?
How come I didn't get a tote bag???
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It's ok,.. that bag is a figment of his imagination ;) Holds lots of imaginary stuff though. Want me to send you an imaginary tote too?
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You didn't get a Suzuki yellow tote bag with "I get it from strangers at Bandit Alley" printed on the side? Maybe you didn't contribute at the "suggested level"?
YELLOW?!?!?
Forget it. Give it to some little girl to keep her "Hello Kitty" gear in. :roll:
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YELLOW?!?!? Forget it. Give it to some little girl to keep her "Hello Kitty" gear in. :roll:
Yellow is the color of the Suzuki racing team jersey. Herro Kitty is generally pink. You must have some sort of congenital abnormality. (And no, despite the word "genital" I'm not referring to the problem you and your urologist discuss.)
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Sven, don't get frustrated... we all realize by now that CWO lives in an alternate universe where gixxers are comfortable, bikes are cheaper in California, and bank/cashiers checks aren't worth the paper they're printed on.
Let it go. Anyone who's innersted can read the entry on "cahsier's checks" at Wikipedia.
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I dunno... I gots the power here.
"Here" is a mighty small domain. Svengeance can cross space and time. Or at least reach all the way to Canadia.
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YELLOW?!?!? Forget it. Give it to some little girl to keep her "Hello Kitty" gear in. :roll:
Yellow is the color of the Suzuki racing team jersey. Herro Kitty is generally pink. You must have some sort of congenital abnormality. (And no, despite the word "genital" I'm not referring to the problem you and your urologist discuss.)
You sound like an expert on Hello Kitty pink and other gay colors... I'll keep you in mind if any of my friends need advice on decorating their nurseries... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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You sound like an expert on Hello Kitty pink and other gay colors...
Out of deference to Stormi, I won't correct your reference to "Herro Kitty Pink" other than to suggest that there's a word that's *sounds* a lot like "Kitty" that more accurately describes the color in more red-blooded manly terms.
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PS, why doesn't mine say "Vocal Sight Supporter" in bold baby blue?
And when are gonna get a decent grammar- and spell-checker on this heah thang?
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So as Zenman said I see myself in that future reality riding my new blue and white GSXR with no one to complain when I bring it in the house next to my small TV.
Small TV?
Come on, man, if you're gonna be re-joining the ranks of fun-loving single men on the prowl, ya gotta think BIG.... 48" plasma screen with surround sound so you can watch the Military Channel, Faux News and all the good games in full, mind-blasting color and 5-channel room-shaking sound effects! No one there to complain, remember? :bigok:
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Do you know when I rode up to LA this weekend and stopped by Barstow on the way that the dealer would not let me test ride the bike (sorry no test rides and no listening to the engine). This seems to be a common problem with dealers in general. I got to find a way I can ID a demo model somewhere within 300 miles I can teet ride that 3 selection bad boy. Got to see if the rear tire is as noticeable as they say when you ride the thing, also what seems like the exaggerated claims of a conformable ride with the adjustable foot pegs making all the difference, and handling characteristics that almost make it drive itself.
I know I'm wasting my time, CWO, but I'm gonna make this suggestion just one more time, then I'll STFU, ok?
When you test ride the gixxer, test ride a B1250 too. What can it hurt? At least you'll know from first-hand experience.
And I can guarantee the B1250 will have a lot more GRUNT, no matter what the specs say, and it'll be twice as comfortable, however you adjust the gixxer pegs. And at $4K less, you could buy another scooter... or a plasma TV! :bandit:
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that bag is a figment of his imagination...Holds lots of imaginary stuff though. Want me to send you an imaginary tote too?
Oh yeah?![/b][/size]
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By now, I'm thoroughly convinced.... that this thread needs to be archived.... so that future (hopefully) generations of some ethereal variation of intelligent life on this planet can somehow understand what caused the destruction of the human race.
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this thread needs to be archived...what caused the destruction of the human race
Wow, that's kind of harsh! Gunner's just tryin' to sell a few bikes and is sharing his progress with us. That's what the B.A. community is all about: Sharing. And totebags. Big yellow totebags that let everyone know you gave, and baby we mean BIG TIME!
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By now, I'm thoroughly convinced.... that this thread needs to be archived....
I thought the very same thing earlier tonight... :popcorn2:
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Hmmm... 10 pages now without making the slightest dent... and not so much as one word of acknowledgement.
Yeah, I'd say archive it... as a monument to absolute stubborness. :roll:
Let the record show that we tried... :deadhorse:
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Wich ever bike you buy, you'll be getting a good bike. But get the one that you really want. Don't get the Bandit because its cheaper if you really want the GSXR. Its only $, and its not even mine!
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Don't worry Zen if there is a b12.5 at a dealer I find that allows test rides, I will test ride it for a comparison with the new GSXR. I am sure I will find some comparison in one of the GSXR's mapping modes (A,B,or C-mellow), probubly C but mode A tested by CW at 160 HP at the rear wheel and holding 140 MPH in track turns and 180 MPH in the straits might be a bit harder to compare.
(whew) Good, you'll be doing the sensible thing. Now at least we're finally having a conversation... :roll:
You keep insisting on comparing an all-out SPORT bike to a STANDARD motorcycle. I'm not disputing the fact that the Gixxer will out-perform the B1250 on the track, of course it will! That's not the point. The point is, What are you going to be using it for???
If you think you're going to be using all of that 160 rear-wheel hp, going 140 mph in turns and 180 mph top end on the street, then by all means buy the Gixxer. Otherwise, it's a bit of a waste, dontcha think?
It's nearly impossible to ride any super-sport like the Gixxer, R1, or ZX10R TO IT'S FULL POTENTIAL on the street... and those who try are practically guaranteed to end up in jail, bike impounded or wrecked, taking an ambulance ride and a vacation in the hospital, or worse. (heaven forbid!)
BTW, that "holding 140 mph in track turns" is a misleading statement... every curve has a different radius, thus a different apex speed.
Personally, I don't spend a lot of time over 140 mph, there's no road course around here, and my B1250 gets me around all the twisties faster than anyone I've encountered out there yet, including kids on Gixxers and R1's. It's the rider, not the bike, see? :bandit:
And you can put 500 mile days on a B1250 and ride two-up no problem. Uh, is there a passenger seat on the Gix? Or do you plan on taking a vow of celibacy? :lol:
If you look at what these two bikes are intended for, then the B1250 out-performs the Gixxer hands-down. So does your B1200. On the street it is in it's element, where the Gix is more at home on the track. The Bandit is a way more practical and capable motorcycle road-wise and has the power and handling to keep even an adrenaline junky like me happy.
All I'm saying is your looking at two entirely different types of motorcycle. No, the B1250 is not in the same class as the Gixxer, it's not meant to be... neither is the Concours Z1400, the FJR1300, or the Honda ST1300. Any one of those three I think you'd be way happier with in the long run, as long as you're spending that kind of money.
And if you think that Gixxer is going to make you the "Man To Beat" out there, sorry. An expert rider on an average bike will always beat an average rider on an expert bike. Don't believe me now? You will. :roll:
Look, CWO, you're gonna buy what you want... I know that, and it's fine. I wish you happiness whatever choice you make. But as a friend, I'm gonna give you my 2 cents whether you like it or not, because I'd hate to see you do something you'll really regret later. I would hope you would do the same for me, you know? :wink:
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Nice pic! Nice watercraft, and pretty daughter... you're a lucky man. :grin:
I realize you're going through a lot of emotional and financial hardship and I feel for you, believe me. But It's none of my business, and I just hope you get through it all in good shape. It's not my place to offer any advice on anybody's personal relationships.
But when it comes to motorcycles, different story! :bandit: I think I might know a thing or two on that subject, and I'm more than happy to blab about bikes all day long, whether anybody is listening or not... :blah:
I just wanted to give you my 2 cents, and feel like you at least considered my words. You're a grown man, and you'll do what you want... as you should. :wink:
I'd say the same things about the Gixxer/Bandit to anybody thinking of buying one ... face-to-face, friend, aquaintance, or just some Joe sitting at the bar. Now that you've acknowledged that you heard me, I can shut the hell up. :stfu:
BTW... if you want a test ride on a B1250 and you're ever up this way, just look me up... a PM will do. :bigok:
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You could just sell me all your machines you have left for $1/each and once the Big D is done, I'll sell 'em back to you. You can pay for all the doc fees both ways, and keep the paper and machines at your place so you know I won't take advantage of you.
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Whew! I read the whole thread, and perhaps I missed a few things, but am I the only one who finds, "A wise man wins favor, but a fool's tongue is his undoing He begins by talking nonsense and ends in mischief run mad" ironic?
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Whew! I read the whole thread, and perhaps I missed a few things, but am I the only one who finds, "A wise man wins favor, but a fool's tongue is his undoing He begins by talking nonsense and ends in mischief run mad" ironic?
Nope. :lol:
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I'm flexible.
Well the money finally posted to my account from OR a valid as a cash deposit with no holds so tonight I am doing up the inventory sheet and bill of sales for him the sign and fax back. Then I will have his shipper sign off on the inventory sheet, take photographs of the driver and truck and waive goodbye on the 10th. I only hope I will be able to find such a good deal when I start shopping around for the 07 GSXR. I guess I am in the same boat you were in Zen, only I am strolling the decks not hanging from the yardarm. :stickpoke:
You? "Flexible"? Now that's ironic! :stickpoke:
Don't forget to make him sign the "inventory sheet" in his own blood and get a lock of his hair for a DNA sample. Give him a glass of water so you'll have his fingerprints. And make him hold up a current newspaper with the date visible when you take his picture. Oh, and attach a GPS homing device to his truck. :roll:
There's only two things hanging around here... my arm in a sling and the other is nunya bizness. :lol:
You're "strolling the decks" alright... no streetbike! I can relate, it took too long for my B1250 to come in, but now that I have a few miles on it, I'm glad I ordered it last winter. It turned out to be the best choice despite the doom-sayers that tried to bad-mouth it... now all the reviews have nothing but high praise for the B1250, it's selling like sno-cones in August, and the trash-talking critics are eating their words... the flexible ones, that is. :roll: :lol:
But most importantly, it's absolutely everything I wanted in a road bike and more... I'm hugely satisfied. Just a couple minor complaints like the mirrors and headlight adjustment, otherwise the power, handling, ergonomics and styling are incredible... and all for under $8K!
Hey, if you end up buying that squid-rocket, how about I come down there on my Bandit and we can compare bikes... you got any good curves or canyon roads to carve up? Or how about a local road-race course... a track day would be fun! :motorsmile:
Don't worry, I'll be nice and comfy on my way down... I wouldn't wish a long trip like that on a Gixxer on my worst enemy... :stickpoke: :lol: :bandit:
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GSXR1000? Bah! That's yesterday's bike. What you really want is the new MV Agusta F4 1000R 312 homologation special. Top speed: 194mph; horsepower: 183 (@12,400rpm). Now THAT would make a REALLY nice sport-tourer.
The MV is a little more $$$ than the Gixxer though ($25,000), but hell, it IS Italian.
Oh, and be careful not to spin up the rear wheel whilst leaving the KOA.
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Yup you got to give the Japanese credit, they know how to engineer a hell of a bike at half the price. Besides I never knew an Italian bike that didn't have an oil leak, electrical problems, or exaggerated performance specs. But they do blow the competition away on high price.
I've put 22,000 miles on my S4R in 26 months. All I've needed to do is change the oil/filer and add gas...runs like a champ.
BTW, Ferracci is racing that F4 in AMA this year.
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Well looked at allot more specs today on the GSXR 1000, the Busa and yes the Bandit 1250.
So I have to wait and think this one out.
Now that's the practical, shrewd, common sense CWO4GUNNER we all know and love! Welcome back, bud! :bandit:
I have absolutely zero doubt that an exhaust mod and a re-map will release the beast inside the B1250. It already runs like a raped ape... :taz:
I had my muffler and mid-pipe off the other day. There is a catalytic converter built into the header right behind the collector. Running it without the muffler was loud, but the CAT obviously restricts the exhaust, or it would've been ear-bursting.
The muffler and mid-pipe weigh over 25 lbs... and installed it makes the exhaust so quiet you can barely hear it. You know it's restricted like crazy. Imagine what a lightweight aftermarket can would do... save over 15 lbs. and give 15 HP's all at once. Remove the CAT, that's another 5 HP... and a few more pounds.
As for the re-map... give it another 15 HP's at the least. So what are we up to now? 35 HP's with exhaust mods and remap. That's on the conservative side.
The Holeshot dynomometer revealed 105 HP and 85 ft-lbs. torque on the new '07 B1250, and I believe that run was made right after initial break-in, probably less than 1K on the clock. Add the 35 HP's from the mods and there's your magic 140 horsepower number, and for under $1K. Who knows what the torque would be... it's already eyeball-flattening in stock trim. :shock:
Now subtract the 20 lbs. or so weight savings from the 496 lbs. dry weight and your down to around 476 pounds.
But you don't have to take my word for it... click here: http://forums.banditalley.net/viewtopic.php?t=8717
Personally, I'm happy with it just the way it is for now... you really do have to ride it yourself to fully grasp the monster torque this thing has... all the specs will go right out the window the first time you twist the throttle, believe me. Practically pulls your arms out of the sockets. :yikes:
But rest assured as soon as the 1 year warranty is up that CAT is gonna disappear, along with the big-ass muffler. And you know I'll have to mess with the CPU mapping.... :wink:
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When you test ride the gixxer, test ride a B1250 too. What can it hurt? At least you'll know from first-hand experience.
While I agree that the CWO's past-bashing of the B1250 seems ridiculous, and that the Gixxer is a much more narrow-usage kind of motorcycle... I will say say that if he is intent on trading in his bike... going from an '05 B1200 to an '07 B1250 would be kinda pointless.
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I actually meant 'trading-in' in the general/vague sense of the term... as in 'getting rid of'. :wink:
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With respect to your reference there, without making a large unauthorized repost the same individual has completed more test with multipal slip-on cans archiving 108 HP and believes that with a new timing advancer and header $$$$ 116 HP might be able to be produced but not much more.
Well, this "individual" is already at 113 HP's and an incredible 92 ft-lbs torque... with just a slip-on. Remember, the catalytic converter is still plugging up the header. Removing that will make a huge increase.
The remapping from my experience usually just moves the HP and torque curve around but doesn't increase it.
I think you are underestimating what a remap can do.
Think of this... the Gixxer and it's 3-mode map selector gives quite a wide range of horsepower, does it not? You would be more familiar with the numbers than I am... but the point is, if you can have that much of a difference by switching the Gixxer's mapping, then quite a difference can result by remapping the B1250, too.
Remember, the B1250 is about 100 cc's more displacement than the B1200, with higher compression, and bigger valves. It only stands to reason that the horsepower potential is much greater with the proper tuning.
But all the specs aside, it's real life that counts. Torque is way more important on the street, and the B1250 has gobs of it. You'll find out when you test ride it... like I said, numbers won't matter once you get this beast between your legs. :bandit:
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I was hoping and expecting a stock 140 HP bike with 100 torque engine, I would have leaped on it. Still no performance reviews on the Connie 14 which although the ultimate sport tourer is probubly too much on the touring side for me.
Have you checked out the FJR1300. meets those power goals out of the box, take the bags off and its even easy on the eyes!!!
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While I agree that the CWO's past-bashing of the B1250 seems ridiculous, and that the Gixxer is a much more narrow-usage kind of motorcycle... I will say say that if he is intent on trading in his bike... going from an '05 B1200 to an '07 B1250 would be kinda pointless.
Well, it's CWO's decision after all... but as he said himself, selling his B12 and other bikes was a necessary evil because of his circumstances. Replacing it with a B1250 is not pointless at all.
I'm just saying that a B1250 for $8K makes a lot more sense to me than a Gixxer for $12K, when you look at the big picture... such as age, riding style, usage, money, practicality, etc... I mean, I'm in my mid-50's, I still ride pretty aggressively and scrape a peg now and then. I could have bought a Gixxer or a Busa or a ZX-14, but when I sat on those things, no way! I wouldn't want to ride one for more than an hour... that's no fun.
It's more fun to blow the squids into the weeds with a "standard" bike anyway... :lol: :bandit: :motorsmile:
Go ahead and buy the Gixxer, CWO... and more power to ya! :bigok: Maybe you just need to get it out of your system. I'm guessing you'll be back before long... :wink:
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Have you checked out the FJR1300. meets those power goals out of the box, take the bags off and its even easy on the eyes!!!
...and weighs well over 600 lbs.!
But if I had a choice of a Gix or a FJR... no hesitation. The FJR wins hands down. So does the ST1300 or the Concours Z14. Any of those three will eat up those long, straight Arizona desert highways at triple-digit speeds and in comfort and style... even two-up. :motorsmile:
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Have you checked out the FJR1300. meets those power goals out of the box, take the bags off and its even easy on the eyes!!!
...and weighs well over 600 lbs.!
But if I had a choice of a Gix or a FJR... no hesitation. The FJR wins hands down. So does the ST1300 or the Concours Z14. Any of those three will eat up those long, straight Arizona desert highways at triple-digit speeds and in comfort and style... even two-up. :motorsmile:
My next bike will be a FJR1300..NO DOUBT!!
I did get to see the new B12.5 at the dealer yesterday, $8299.. I liked it, but since I want to do alot more 2 up riding with wifey....FJR it will be
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I'm pacing while doing my chores, specifically getting the B12 ready for shipment to the new owner. The best new price I found was a dealership that specialized in OTD pricing. This 06 new for $10299 OTD, what do you think? should I give the hold deposit and drive 300 miles to pick it up?
(http://www.suzukicycles.com/images/ProductImages/colorVariations/500/GSX1300RK6_aBlackGray_000000.jpg). I think I am going to call my CU so as not to hit the nest egg.
$9799
http://www.bartlesvillecyclesports.com/miscpage_001.asp?sid=0602276X2K3K2005J3I40I58JPMQ999R0
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Well, that's it for me. You're all over the map... from a Concours to a Gixxer to "wait and think this through" to suddenly rushing out to buy a Busa... :roll:
Hell, go buy a Space Shuttle, for all I care... the insurance rates are about the same as a Busa. :lol:
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Wow, it must really get cold up in Canadia...the broads all look like Chow Chows. I bet if you shave her, she looks like a shar-pei.
Usually to have wrinkles, the body underneath it can't be pushing the skin til it's tight...
Somehow I missed like 2 whole pages of posts here...
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PS, why doesn't mine say "Vocal Sight Supporter" in bold baby blue?
And when are gonna get a decent grammar- and spell-checker on this heah thang?
I don't need to while the site members are self, and each other, policing. ;)
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this thread needs to be archived...what caused the destruction of the human race
Wow, that's kind of harsh! Gunner's just tryin' to sell a few bikes and is sharing his progress with us. That's what the B.A. community is all about: Sharing. And totebags. Big yellow totebags that let everyone know you gave, and baby we mean BIG TIME!
+1 on the destruction thing...
Erm Sven,.. it that a "gave",.. or a "got"? Cos that bag sure says "got" to me...
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Nobody said anything about locking it, CWO... just the opposite. "Archiving" is saving it for the record. As a monument to irony... :roll:
I still read this thread as entertainment, though I've given up the discussion... seems pointless when the author keeps jumping from one bike to another randomly... besides, I've already spoken my opinion more than once. Nothing left to say. :bandit:
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Erm Sven,.. it that a "gave",.. or a "got"? Cos that bag sure says "got" to me...
When you give, you receive. ("And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make.")
I assume the BA Membership Director meant that "I got it" meant the tote bag.
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I'm having a mid-bike crises here and all you guys can talk about is a phracken toke bag!
Huh? You're doing soemthing with motorcycles? Why haven't you said so before?
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Erm Sven,.. it that a "gave",.. or a "got"? Cos that bag sure says "got" to me...
When you give, you receive. ("And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make.")
I assume the BA Membership Director meant that "I got it" meant the tote bag.
Alright, now I'm getting jealous... where's my tote bag? I want one even if it is imaginary! At least I can keep my Beatles CD's in it... :bandit:
Should we tell him the "special tool" to read codes is a wire with a clip on each end? :lol:
Or that the throttle bodies are synchronized by accessing the CPU? :lol:
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You know I just noticed that you have impaired ability to comprehend written words, a condition usually associated with a neurologic disorder. :stickpoke:
Either that or he's just phraken with ya. :lol:
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No seriously guys, did you know that the last throttle body injector systems in cages were phased out of production completely in like 1987 for port fuel injection.
That's completely false. Now you're just making stuff up... :annoy:
Throttle Body Injection (TBI) is still used extensively, usually in modern V6's and V8's... utilizing one throttle body for all 6 or 8 cylinders in lieu of a less efficient carburetor. You find it in many mid to full-size pick-ups and SUV's.
Tuned Port Injection (TPI] is the next step up in efficiency and performance, and consists of an injector located in the intake port of each cylinder, with a shared mass air box which has a throttle valve. This is much cheaper and simpler than having a throttle body for each cylinder, but delivers better performance and efficiency than a single throttle body.
Having an individual throttle body for each cylinder is the best way to get maximum performance and efficiency, but it is also the most expensive... which is why they don't use it in most automobiles. Mass production costs would price them out of reach of the consumer.
Auto technology is usually behind motorcycle technology by quite a bit, Comparing the two is rather pointless.
Now even if you ignore this post, CWO, perhaps someone else will have learned something useful... so it's not a total waste. :bandit:
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Go buy a Harley. :roll:
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Damn, and you accused Sven of having no reading comprehension. :annoy:
Did you even read one freaking word of what I wrote?
"Throttle Body Injection (TBI) is still used extensively, usually in modern V6's and V8's... utilizing one throttle body for all 6 or 8 cylinders in lieu of a less efficient carburetor. You find it in many mid to full-size pick-ups and SUV's.
Tuned Port Injection (TPI] is the next step up in efficiency and performance, and consists of an injector located in the intake port of each cylinder, with a shared mass air box, which has a throttle valve. This is much cheaper and simpler than having a throttle body for each cylinder, but delivers better performance and efficiency than a single throttle body."
Now read this carefully... it's where I explained why a throttle body for each cylinder is best on motorcycles:
"Having an individual throttle body for each cylinder is the best way to get maximum performance and efficiency, but it is also the most expensive... which is why they don't use it in most automobiles. Mass production costs would price them out of reach of the consumer."
Why do you think the fastest bikes made today use a throttle body for each cylinder? Use your head!
This is getting tiresome... I told I was an AUTO TECHNICIAN for 30 years... and I happen to be a good 5 years older than you, sonny. So open up your eyes and learn from those who know, and quit making a fool of yourself. :roll:
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I have to admit you'd make a better politician then me, thas is what you call speaking out of both side of the mouth right?...:stfu:
Man, I thought we could get along, but now I'm running out of patience with you.
30 years in the military seems to have deprived you of any real world experience or social skills. This is not the locker-room mentality of shipboard life, nor is it the pissing contest that you always try to make it.
Here you are trying to tell a 30-year professional mechanic about fuel injection... your arrogance and stubbornness is without equal... except for maybe your ignorance.
I'm done wasting my time trying to befriend someone who has zero appreciation for my efforts. Do and think whatever you want, Mr. Know-It-All.
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OK-OK I meant this :stickpoke: and should have used it.. I keep wondering if this :stickpoke: means kidding or pushing someones button. Well I meant it as kidding.:roll:
Well, I guess that's as close to a "sorry" that I'll ever get... :roll:
Jeez... what am I gonna do with you? :stickpoke:
Look, you have 30 years experience in the Navy/Coast Guard... I would never even pretend to know 1/100th what you do about ships, big guns, military protocal, etc... and if you spoke about those things I'd shut my mouth and listen.
But I have 30-40 years in mechanics, motorcycles, racing, etc. and I know what I'm talking about. I'm also a few years older than you. I have other things to do than sit here typing for 20 minutes, trying to share with you the benefits of my experience to help you make a good decision, only to have you ignore it or throw it back in my face.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and consider your words sincere, one more time. But I hope you understand my dwindling patience. :roll:
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You know I just noticed that you have impaired ability to comprehend written words, a condition usually associated with a neurologic disorder.
I have no proble comrehending what I read, I just don't alwasy understand it!
Plus it's really hard to type when I'm rocking back and forth, counting the tiles on the ceiling to see if they are still the same as they were five minutes ago, and getting up to wash my hands between posts.
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hmm. so what is this post about again?
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I think CWO was going to buy a Gixxer1K or something :wink:
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I'd probably wait to see how the 08 differs...then either pick up an 07 for cheaper or order the 08 if you like it more...I waited to see what the 1250 looked like then decided on the 1200 cuz it was MUCH cheaper :wink:
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I will be honest with you guys I have been reading most of the day and boiling it all down and it has come down to a draw between the Busa and the ZX14.
Damn..... I wanted you to get the gixxer - so I could live vicariously thru you. :annoy:
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Are you sure?
Look again!
(http://motorcyclistonline.com/newsandupdates/%20122_0609_01_z+2007_suzuki_gsxr_1000+black_static_right.jpg)
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Are you sure?
Look again!
(http://motorcyclistonline.com/newsandupdates/%20122_0609_01_z+2007_suzuki_gsxr_1000+black_static_right.jpg)
Sorry, but in my completely unbiased opinion, that doesn't hold a candle to this:
(http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/ZenMan33/99j.jpg)
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CWO, congratulations on your decision to buy a (fill in the blank). It's an excellent choice, and I'm sure you'll be happy for years to come. :congrats:
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With respect to your reference there, without making a large unauthorized repost the same individual has completed more test with multipal slip-on cans archiving 108 HP and believes that with a new timing advancer and header $$$$ 116 HP might be able to be produced but not much more.
Well, this "individual" is already at 113 HP's and an incredible 92 ft-lbs torque... with just a slip-on. Remember, the catalytic converter is still plugging up the header. Removing that will make a huge increase.
The remapping from my experience usually just moves the HP and torque curve around but doesn't increase it.
I think you are underestimating what a remap can do.
That 113.63 hp/92.11 ft/lbs of torque is not with "just a slip-on." It also includes K&N filter, snorkel removal and a TFI box that changes fuel settings. While the TFI box isn't a remap, it does allow for adjustments to fuel flow. Here's what Dale says about the TFI Box as it relates to the SV/DL1000:
Dale recently teamed up with Dobeck Performance to make available the new totally plug in TFI Tuning box.The TFI box does not require that you re-map your electronic fuel injection to dial in your tune up. It simply allows the user to adjust the air / fuel mixture in three areas. Idle and low rpms, steady cruise, mid range , on off throttle applications and wide open full load throttle.There is also an adjustment allowing you to set when the full throttle fuel curve begins to come in at what rpm. All that is needed is a small flat blade screw driver and some time to play. Dale recently spent several hours on his Dynojet 250 I dyno, running his 2006 DL-1000 equipped with Holeshot-Slip-ons and the TFI box. He achieved a perfect 13:1 to 13:8 A/F under all throttle conditions. The bike made some super power and torque gains over stock really smoothed out the mid range and even picked up some fuel mileage out on the road. When you purchase your TFI tuning box from Holeshot you will get Dale's matching settings via e-mail. Please don't expect to get Dale's settings if you buy a TFI box at another discount house to save a few bucks.
Note! Dale's TFI settings match our Holeshot slip-ons and should work well with other brands as well. The TFI box will also work well with the stock mufflers to smooth out the power curve, plus add a little power and torque. Minor adjustments may be needed, depending on the bike, weather conditions and the elevation where you live and ride.
A remap may give more power still, but I'd be surprised if it was significant or else I'd think Dale would be going that route.
Dale is expecting 7-10 more ponies with a full header due to the restrictive nature of the OEM header with the catalytic converter. That's a much bigger jump than what the 1200 gets from going to a slip-on to a full system.
Gotta admit, those torque numbers are SWEET!
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That 113.63 hp/92.11 ft/lbs of torque is not with "just a slip-on." It also includes K&N filter, snorkel removal and a TFI box that changes fuel settings. While the TFI box isn't a remap, it does allow for adjustments to fuel flow.
True enough... I didn't mention the K&N or the snorkel, those are minor details that anyone could do, and with very little expense.. Not to mention plugging the breather hose to block the PAIR system.
The TFI box I deliberately didn't mention because the person I was talking to doesn't understand the complexities of digital fuel injection or knows the difference between simple A/F adjustments using a TFI box, and an ECU re-map. But you are correct, the results are due to more tweaking than "just a slip-on". But the slip-on is a significant investment $$$-wise. :wink:
A remap may give more power still, but I'd be surprised if it was significant or else I'd think Dale would be going that route.
Well, given that Dale sells TFI boxes with his settings, I wouldn't doubt that he considers a re-map an unprofitable direction to follow. That along with the fact that your average owner doesn't have the time or expertise, or access to a dynomometer... and most folks prefer the convenience of just plugging a box in.
Personally, I believe a re-map is a much more thorough and efficient way to go, since it covers the entire system including sensor inputs, timing advance, temperature, air flow, atmospheric pressure, humidity, etc. instead of just changing the air/fuel mixture. Horsepower gains would be significantly higher.
Dale is expecting 7-10 more ponies with a full header due to the restrictive nature of the OEM header with the catalytic converter. That's a much bigger jump than what the 1200 gets from going to a slip-on to a full system.
Gotta admit, those torque numbers are SWEET!
Yep! Gotta go along with ya there! :bigok:
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So the 'busa and FJR don't fit... but you somehow thought that a GSXR1000 would? :lol:
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So the 'busa and FJR don't fit... but you somehow thought that a GSXR1000 would? :lol:
If he thinks the FJR is cramped, wait till he tries the new Concours... :lol:
Isn't it ironic that the best bike for him is the one he refuses to consider? It's a shame that he's going to spend all that money and end up with an ill-suited bike, just out of pure stubborness and refusal to admit he was wrong... :stickpoke: :roll:
Ah well, we tried... just read this thread. :annoy:
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I have been trained to be a person that uses intel to make a final decision and since I don't have a staff anymore to give me the briefings
"Intel" is the gathering of information. There are dozens of positive reviews on the B1250 out there that you are ignoring.
As far as a "staff", you have all the good experienced people on this board trying to help you... but you are ignoring them too.
What is the point of being a contributing member of BanditAlley if you refuse to listen to anyone?
I don't need to test ride or sit on the Bandit because I just sold one
You had an '05. The '07 is a whole new bike.
So if one was sitting there at the dealership in front of you, you would refuse to even sit on it? Let alone test ride it?
That, my friend, is stubbornness incarnate.
Its too much money to be reselling impulse buys a month later, never realizing the bike one could have owned.
Yet that is exactly what you are doing, if you don't test ride everything you can... and that includes the B1250.
I think you're just afraid to find out how impressive the new Bandit really is... 'cuz then you'll have to eat your words. :bandit:
You'll never know what you missed... oh well, it's your loss. :roll:
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Perhaps he's waiting for the B-King?
Then he can have Hayabusa power with Bandit ergos.
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Perhaps he's waiting for the B-King?
Then he can have Hayabusa power with Bandit ergos.
And a butt-ugly bike. :lol:
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Perhaps he's waiting for the B-King?
Then he can have Hayabusa power with Bandit ergos.
And a butt-ugly bike. :lol:
Well, he was considering the Eye-abuser, too... :lol:
Speaking of looks - sorry, but I think the 2G Bandit looks better than the 3G. :stickpoke:
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Perhaps he's waiting for the B-King?
Then he can have Hayabusa power with Bandit ergos.
And a butt-ugly bike. :lol:
Well, he was considering the Eye-abuser, too... :lol:
Speaking of looks - sorry, but I think the 2G Bandit looks better than the 3G. :stickpoke:
Beauty is in the eye of the owner. :wink:
I like the looks of the 2G too... and the 1G. But of course my 3G is the most pleasing to my eye. :bandit:
Actually my favorite bike as far as looks has always been the Eddie Lawson Replica... and the Z-Rex in GREEN is just an awesome-looking bike, pure muscle and brute strength. :bigok:
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Beauty is in the eye of the owner. :wink:
I like the looks of the 2G too... and the 1G. But of course my 3G is the most pleasing to my eye. :bandit:
You don't have a 3G though....I like the 3G (SACS) best with the 4G (WC&I Bandit) coming in a close second :lol:
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The ELR's and green Rex's do look good in my book, too... but I like the looks of the GS1000S Wes Cooley Replica - in white/blue or white/red better.
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Beauty is in the eye of the owner. :wink:
I like the looks of the 2G too... and the 1G. But of course my 3G is the most pleasing to my eye. :bandit:
You don't have a 3G though....I like the 3G (SACS) best with the 4G (WC&I Bandit) coming in a close second :lol:
Well, that's a matter of debate. The most widely accepted opinion is that the '06 is actually the 2.5G, because it's a transition model with the new frame and the old engine. At least that's the official finding over at MaxSuzuki. The '07 has been declared the 3G Bandit. Makes sense to me.
But whichever way you label them, the '06 and '07 look nearly identical except for the engine. I admit the black engine looks good, but the new 1255cc mill would look even better in black, in my opinion. :bandit:
If I ever tear it down, I'll probably powder-coat it satin black. Now that would look freakin' awesome, aye? :motorsmile:
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Well, that's a matter of debate. The most widely accepted opinion is that the '06 is actually the 2.5G, because it's a transition model with the new frame and the old engine. At least that's the official finding over at MaxSuzuki. The '07 has been declared the 3G Bandit. Makes sense to me.
But whichever way you label them, the '06 and '07 look nearly identical except for the engine. I admit the black engine looks good, but the new 1255cc mill would look even better in black, in my opinion. :bandit:
If I ever tear it down, I'll probably powder-coat it satin black. Now that would look freakin' awesome, aye? :motorsmile:
Its really not worth debating :bandit:
I think a darker colored engine in the 07 would have made it much more attractive...but then I've said that before :wink:
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Who died and made them the authority? :lol: :stickpoke:
They aren't even a Bandit exclusive site! :lol: :stir:
The first bodywork change gave us the "2G." Then the '05 650 came out with the current look. At that time, we had no idea there was a new motor on the horizon (though I'm sure Suzuki did). No one was calling the '05 bike a 2.5G... it was the 3G. Along comes the '07 model with the same bodywork and a new pair of powerplants. The first time in big Bandit's history the biggest one got the latest upgrade at the same time. So to me anyway, and I'm not the authority either, the '07 is either a 3.5G or a 4G.
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Ok, I really don't care and whatever the general consensus is will be fine with me... why not start a debate thread and then have a vote?
My opinion is this... the '06 was a transitional model with the new frame and the old engine... halfway between the 2G and the 3G. :bandit:
The '06 was only made for one year, and not available worldwide... does that qualify as a whole generation? :roll:
It doesn't matter what people were calling the '06 back then, what matters is what to call it now. The '07 is obviously going to be around in it's present form for a few years... so it doesn't make sense to put a .5 in there. It's either a 3G or a 4G... I really don't care which. I just want to come to an agreement so everybody knows what each other is talking about.
CWO, if you loved the OLD engine so much, you shouldn't have sold your 2G. You lost your bragging rights then. Especially with all your recent treasonous talk of Gixxers and Busas and even :yikes: Concours... :stickpoke: :roll: :lol:
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The '06 was only made for one year, and not available worldwide... does that qualify as a whole generation? :roll:
Yes...just because the US didn't get to play doesn't mean the 06 isn't a whole generation on its own...also, there are more differences between an 06 and an 05- than there are between an 06 and an 07 :deadhorse:
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The '06 was only made for one year, and not available worldwide... does that qualify as a whole generation? :roll:
Yes...just because the US didn't get to play doesn't mean the 06 isn't a whole generation on its own...also, there are more differences between an 06 and an 05- than there are between an 06 and an 07 :deadhorse:
Yeah right! Except for entire engine, transmission, ignition, exhaust, and fuel system. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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The '06 was only made for one year, and not available worldwide... does that qualify as a whole generation? :roll:
Yes...just because the US didn't get to play doesn't mean the 06 isn't a whole generation on its own...also, there are more differences between an 06 and an 05- than there are between an 06 and an 07 :deadhorse:
Yeah right! Except for entire engine, transmission, ignition, exhaust, and fuel system. :lol: :lol: :lol:
And that's the only thing the same from an 06 to a previous gen...the air box isn't even the same on a 06...now please realize that I think the 07 is a fine bike but it is not the be all end all of motorcycles...get it through your head also that there is really very little difference between an 06 and 07...power unit not withstanding...I know its hard for you to fathom that because you've never actually seen an 06 in the flesh but I have seen them both close hand...also I've read everything there is to read (at least in english) on the 06 and the 07 if you had done the same then you would realize that I know of what I speak (or type)...
Now go ahead with your getting the last word in, because I know you are going to...then lets drop the egos and get the bikes off their frickin' pedestals on the road...
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And that's the only thing the same from an 06 to a previous gen...the air box isn't even the same on a 06...now please realize that I think the 07 is a fine bike but it is not the be all end all of motorcycles...get it through your head also that there is really very little difference between an 06 and 07...power unit not withstanding...I know its hard for you to fathom that because you've never actually seen an 06 in the flesh but I have seen them both close hand...also I've read everything there is to read (at least in english) on the 06 and the 07 if you had done the same then you would realize that I know of what I speak (or type)...
Now go ahead with your getting the last word in, because I know you are going to...then lets drop the egos and get the bikes off their frickin' pedestals on the road...
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Oh come on, Dread! What's with all the hostility? It seems you're the one whose ego is getting bruised here! Touchy, touchy! :stickpoke:
I already said I DON'T CARE which "generation" you wanna call them... I just put my two cents in as part of the debate. Why are you getting all bent out of shape?
Sounds like you've had this argument before... well, don't put me in there with whoever you were butting heads with.
Just for the record, why can't you accept the fact that the '06 was the first step towards the '07? It's obvious that Suzuki made the changes in anticipation of the 1250 engine. But that doesn't take anything away from your bike!
In fact, for ya'll that love the old SACS engine so much, then the '06 is the best of both worlds. You have your beloved engine in an improved chassis and suspension... I would think you'd be happy that you have this rare combination!
I never once bad-mouthed your bike... just because I called it a 2.5G you get this upset? Forget iT, man! Lighten up! :roll:
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Yup, don't listen to him Dreadnought. You remember what everybody said about your bike when they saw it, it is the best and the last before the "great-leap" to the new bike. :lol:
Just think Dreadnought you can ride with the confidence that nothing will be recalled because the 06 is generational perfection and the 05 was the race commemorative model, wont see that again. Actually all 3 excellent bikes are excellent and the new versions will get only greener. :bandit:
Hmmm... the "expert" orates once again... who's never touched either an '06 or an '07.
Which model do you have, CWO? Oh , that right... YOU DON'T OWN A BANDIT! :lol: You have a "ZERO-G"! :lol: :stickpoke: :lol: :bandit:
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The '06 was only made for one year, and not available worldwide... does that qualify as a whole generation? :roll:
Of course they only made the '06 for one year. They'll only make the '07 for one year, too. :lol:
But I think I know what you mean and if I'm right, you are forgetting the transitional generation did not start with the '06 model, it started with the '05 Bandit 650.
Just because the USA didn't get it or any of the '06 Bandits doesn't mean they don't count. :duh:
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Just because the USA didn't get it or any of the '06 Bandits doesn't mean they don't count. :duh:
I never specifically mentioned the U.S., I said "it wasn't available worldwide".
And I didn't say it doesn't count,, I said "does one year qualify as a generation?".
Please don't put words in my mouth.
You know. Dread started this whole thing when he told me: "You don't have a 3G".
All I tried to do was have a concensus so as to avoid confusion, as done elsewhere.
Guess what, kids? Obviously everyone is too sensitive and emotional about this to have a rational discussion, and frankly I don't give a crap... so Dread, you wanna call your bike a 3G? You got it! We'll call mine a 4G, or a 5G, or a freakin' 500G for all I care.
Happy? I hope so, because if ya'll wanna bitch about it further, count me out. :bigok:
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Excuse me for not quoting you word for word. :wink:
AFAIK, the only market "worldwide" that got the bigger Bandits before that didn't get them in '06 was the US.
You still seem to be missing the point I was pointing out... '06 is NOT the only year of the 3G, it started in '05.
To answer your question, "does one year qualify as a generation?" - yes, it would.
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All I tried to do was have a concensus so as to avoid confusion, as done elsewhere.
if ya'll wanna bitch about it further, count me out. :bigok:
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OK OK , I gave up on page 2!
Food fight.
Here's what I think:
1) OTD prices are just a figment. Most states require taxes to be paid directly to the state or tag office, not at the dealer. Stop the OTD BS, and just state what the bike costs, trade-in value, etc. Every state will add on its own tax.
2) No way a Bandit with all the mods will keep up with a GSX-R on a track. The GSX-R is perhaps the most state-of-the-art vehicle in the world.
3) All reports indicate the new 1250 is a superb motorcycle. Has great balance, handling, comfort and real world power (torque). The folks that have riden the 1250 have said it's just a more betta Bandit- better in every respect. After market tuning is still TBD but out of the box it's a great bike- early reports that it's the best naked Japense bike on the market compared to FZ-1, 919 & Z-1000.
4) The 1250 appears to be very popular, locally they can't keep them on the showroom flour.
5) I want to ride a new 1250.
6) I'd luv to do the ACE is I can get free.
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But the new Bandit has no designation that I can find but it should be a K7.
AFAIK, the 1250 is also known as the K7. At least, the dealer put my order down as a GSF1250SAK7.
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again, OTD means nothing if you are loading on taxes.
what does the bike actually cost? Seperate that cost from the tax costs.
Taxes are non negotiable, the rest of your deal is.
it's apples to oranges comparison. Frankly, I don't know how you can negotiate a deal unless you can seperate your tax bill from the purchase.
OTD here in the West and Southwest is very important to me because it means it is the bottom line price what I write the cashiers check for, no discussion about extra cost and services or taxes. Here in AZ if you buy a bike in another state and pay sales tax you don't pay it again you only get it retitled about $100. But great dealerships like OTD Motor Sports http://www.otdcyclesports.com/ are the wave of the future and they have a dealership on both coast and their prices are consistently $1500-$3000 less OTD then any dealer I have tried to get to match prices, not even close.
Anyway I loved my bandit but I am ready for something extra special and have to wait on the Connie 14 and see if it is the best of both worlds as they claim.
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LowRyter, it doesn't matter how many times you repeat it...
IT DOES NOT GET THROUGH! :banghead:
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LowRyter, it doesn't matter how many times you repeat it...
Multiple posts fixed.... dayme John - worst case of post-ho'ing I've seen in a long time.. :taz: :stickpoke:
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hey Dude, Good to seee you!!!!
sorry you didnt make Barber & Deals. Took lots of photos.
at least I said...whoooa!
LowRyter, it doesn't matter how many times you repeat it...
Multiple posts fixed.... dayme John - worst case of post-ho'ing I've seen in a long time.. :taz: :stickpoke:
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Got ya covered again.... :annoy: :annoy: :annoy:
Did you at least get a poster for me (for all this trouble??) :stickpoke: :stickpoke:
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Reset the pics to be over one another instead of side x side.... gotta be kinda sad to see that one leave. For some reason I really like that particular model. :bigok:
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$0 on souvenirs, nada, zilch.
But man I got some photos. Much better than last year! Got Mladdan's autograph. He's just as nice a guy as you would think he is.
ahhhhh sh.....!
Got ya covered again.... :annoy: :annoy: :annoy:
Did you at least get a poster for me (for all this trouble??) :stickpoke: :stickpoke:
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I have always been able to grasp the big picture without having to rehash old details especially after my first experiences with dealerships. If you feel comfortable with what they tell you that's great, as for me I have to know the truth and deal with the facts and the fact is that the only price that matters is the "total CASH purchase price". Everthing else is pure spin.
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Yep I agree with you on that...I talk only OTD$$ with dealers on cars or bikes.
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Anyway I loved my bandit but I am ready for something extra special and have to wait on the Connie 14 and see if it is the best of both worlds as they claim.
Huh? I thought the ghetto warrior gixxer was what brought a lump to your trousers and now you're lusting after the Connie 14? At least *I* plan to keep el bandido even if Ido get the Concours 14!
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I was gonna say, :clap: and :congrats: . . . but you beat me to it. :wink: :bandit:
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Hey Gunner
If it's any consolation, some of us enjoy a good stoning from time to time. (as long as no one really gets hurt). :stickpoke:
I'm glad to hear the asset sales went well. My good buddy just put a deposit on a new Connie 14. Planning to trade in his older Connie 900. Not expecting it until sometime in July however. Looks like a good "SuperSport Tourer". Not my cup of tea (but I don't really like tea!)