Bandit Alley
GENERAL MOTORCYCLE FORUMS => GENERAL MOTORCYCLE => Topic started by: fritobandito on June 04, 2007, 03:43:48 PM
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Does anybody have any idea how the 91-93 GSX1100G would compare to say an early model Bandit 1200 in regards to engine performance?
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From what I understand is it has the same engine as the first gen GSX-R just like the Bandit. The major differance is it's shaft drive. I don't know how well they perform. There is a forum out there for the GSX1100G, but I couldn't find it. I did find this one though http://www.gsx1100g.net/
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It is the cams that are different. Bandits don't have a shaft drive. The two main differences that I am aware of is the cams and the engine size. I can't remember what size engine the 1100 is exactly, but I know that the 12oo is a 1157cc. I would be interesting to see a race between the three.
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If I'm not mistaken, I believe the engine size is 1127 cc's.
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From what I understand is it has the same engine as the first gen GSX-R just like the Bandit. The major differance is it's shaft drive. I don't know how well they perform. There is a forum out there for the GSX1100G, but I couldn't find it. I did find this one though http://www.gsx1100g.net/
The "G-Men" site looks like it's down, with the exception of a front page: http://www.gsx1100g.com/
And there's a Yahoo! Group: http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/gsx1100g/
They're not quite as powerful as a B12 and a little heavier, but they aren't exactly slouches. They won't handle as well as a B12 since they don't have the cornering clearance, flexier forks and tire/wheel sizes that may not be as accepting of modern sportier tire choices.
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I've got a good friend who loves her GSX1100G. She's not an aggressive rider, but loves the ZOOM ZOOM the "Big G" will do. Side by side, her "G" is slightly taller, seems a bit heavier, and a bit more top heavy than my 2 Gen B12S. Unless you are hooked on the tenths of a second in 0-60 jaunts or top speed, the big deal maker/breaker between the two in my mind would be price... For those who prefer a shaft, the "G" is the choice. If all out performance numbers don't impress you as much as price, the "G" is the choice. But, if you want newer, even if it is chain driven, a 2 Gen B12 is a GREAT BUY... power out the wazoo, great stoppers, good ergos, lots of "tinkering toys" to claim your money, great following... If you want to ask my friend direct questions, e-m me ( jrev@cebridge.net ) I'll send you her e-m address.
JR
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GSX1100G, a heavyweight roadster introduced with retro styling was introduced in April 1991. As for the earlier Suzuki models, ”G” after the model name tells that GSX1100G was shaft driven. GSX1100GM was fitted with the GSX-R1100 Slingshot engine, with 5-speed gearbox, 18-inch front and 17-inch rear 6-spoke alloy wheels, with drilled disc (twinat front and single rear), hydraulic clutch, chromed round headlight, 4 into 2 exhausts and twin instruments. Colors: grey, black, blue, maroon.
http://www.suzukicycles.org/GSX-series/GSX1100G.shtml
GSX 1100 G 1991
Overall Length: 2 220 mm (87.4 in)
Overall Width: 805 mm (31.7 in)
Overall Height: 1 155 mm (45.5 in)
Seat Height: 805 mm (31.7 in)
Wheelbase: 1 568 mm (61.7 in)
Ground Clearance: 150 mm (5.9 in)
Dry Weight: 259 kg (569 lbs)
Engine type: air/oil-cooled 1127 cc inline-4, DOHC, 16 valves. TSCC, SACS. 98 hp/ 7,500 rpm, 99 Nm (73 ft-lbs)/ 4.750 rpm. 5-speed.
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All I know of hers is it's BLACK. I don't know the year.
JR
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Call me crazy, but I've always wished for a "G" model Bandit... toss on some bags (and my wife begs for a more comfortable [read - lower] set of passenger pegs) and you'd have a budget ST machine along the lines of the original Connie.
And it would have been simple for Suzuki to have done with the B12 since they could've used the shaft conversion bits from the GSX1100G - and the final drive is common across several Suzuki models from what I've read. (The balance shaft the G has wouldn't have hurt many folks feelings either based on how many complain of the B12's buzziness at cruise.)
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I had a G befor I bought the "98" Bandit. It was a hwt,@over 600 lbs.,Suspension was soft, longer wheel base than the Bandit. It was a sleeper though,it sounded like a sewing machine on steroids. I put a Jardine pipe on mine and shimmed the needles. I got the bike as part of a deal when tiling the showroom at a local dealer.
One night I knew of a group ride that the local dealer had put on, I found them on their way back about 50 miles out. I made my way through the group, the guy that runs the dealership was in front on a CBR1000F. So I had to challenge him :bandit: The big "G" smoked his ass! So I let him come by with a head of steam, The big "G" would just pick right up and whizz by him again. We stopped at a convein. store to let everyone catch back up. Then they seen it was me. I let him lead on the way back until we got to a switch back that went under a RR. I watch his line and took him on the way out. It pulled good for a big bike! But I was ready for something that handled better,and the Bandit fit the bill.
I sold it to my brother, he loved the Big "G". But his crazy wife ran over it with their Windstar in a fit of rage! :crazy: It sits in my Mom's garage needing a tank and some bars,some TLC. I later found him a 03 Bandit that he has now. that all folks Dan
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The balance shaft the G has wouldn't have hurt many folks feelings either based on how many complain of the B12's buzziness at cruise.
Didn't I read somewhere that the 1250 has a balancer shaft...
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On the Busas and ZX12s I have built for dragracing, I have left out the balancer, takes 2 to 3 horsepower to spin it.
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I rode a 6cylinder Kaw shaft drive that wanted to stand you up while powering through the corner. The "G" however, had no such tendencies. I beleive Suzuki has their own design shaft drive to eliminate that. It certainly made for easy cleaning. But I was happy to move onto something more performance minded. The Bandit has been a great bike to do whatever you want. Dan
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The balance shaft the G has wouldn't have hurt many folks feelings either based on how many complain of the B12's buzziness at cruise.
Didn't I read somewhere that the 1250 has a balancer shaft...
Yup! The 1250 has one. :bandit:
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Hummm... Read these posts about buzziness yesterday. Went out and rode my 01B12S to see if I'd missed something. With no bar end weights, handle bar filled with BBs and capped... all gears and speeds up to 70 cruise... no buzz felt... Maybe I'm immune, but I don't think so. Last bike was an 03 ST1300 with DUAL COUNTER BALANCE SHAFTS which can be "tuned" with adjustments accessable with the engine running... and tuned to max smoothness at cruise rpms.. I could feel some buzz in the grips at about 3600rpm... but with Bandit... none felt... I guess I'm just fortunate...
JR
Lake Livingston, TX
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Hummm... Read these posts about buzziness yesterday. Went out and rode my 01B12S to see if I'd missed something. With no bar end weights, handle bar filled with BBs and capped... all gears and speeds up to 70 cruise... no buzz felt... Maybe I'm immune, but I don't think so. Last bike was an 03 ST1300 with DUAL COUNTER BALANCE SHAFTS which can be "tuned" with adjustments accessable with the engine running... and tuned to max smoothness at cruise rpms.. I could feel some buzz in the grips at about 3600rpm... but with Bandit... none felt... I guess I'm just fortunate...
JR
Lake Livingston, TX
If you have your bike tuned just right, you should eliminate a lot of the buzz that you feel. Having the BBs in you bars helps significantly too.
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Swordmaniac... A good tune of ignition and carb synch does wonders for engine smoothness, to be sure. However, with an inline engine, there is built in vibration simply due to the physics of the power application process. Many makers use weighted "cheeks" on crank shafts and other rotating bits to offset or "counter balance" this natural primary imbalance. There's also the secondary imbalance due to the power pulses being applied to the crank shaft at different points along the length of the shaft. It's therefore rare for one to be silky smooth as is true of a rotary (turbine or wankel), a radial cyclinder arrangement, or even an opposed cyclinder lay out design. Tuning alone cannot suppress the natural harmonic resonance of the irregular spaced power pulses in relation to crank angles and in respect to power pulse application at varying points along the length of the crank shaft. Frame design and vibration dampening weight in the handlebar helps enormously. Thus when I lost one of the bar end weights, I immediately took steps to fill the bar with BBs to dampen any vibs present. They do a rather good job too.
JR
Lake Livingston, TX
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Thanks for all your responses. I currently own a '95 Kawasaki GPZ and the position makes my back hurt. Before that bike I owned an '01 Bandit 1200. Great bike, but it had the typical oil burning issue with the '01's & '02's. The GPZ was offered to me at a price I couldn't pass up, so I sold the Bandit for about $1000 more than I paid for the GPZ. Anyway, I was considering the 'G' as an alternative to the GPZ because of the upright riding position. Plus, I kind of miss shaft drives.
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In that case, I think you'd like it.
Of course, the engine hop-up tricks that apply to the B12, 1100 Kat & SACS powered GSXR1100 still apply to the "Big G" :wink:
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I had a "G" before the bandit, too. I had a great time on the big beast, but a beast it was. Ground the pegs a good bit and it was kinda freaky doing wheelies on it. In it's day you could get stickys for it. I used to get race T/Os from a buddy. They didn't last long, but they were priced right (free). WAY more comfortable on the long-haul than a stock-seated B12. I put about 45k on it in the 3 years I had it. Those were good times. I'd buy one for a second bike, but here in GA we have WAY too many good roads to be without a carver. :clap:
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Nice bike and very fun to ride. It will not whoop a B12. One of my buddies has one and he used to pick on me all the time. After I got used to the B12`s power he jumped me and I whooped on his ass but good. He will not try me anymore. Nice bike, but no comparisson to the B12. :lol:
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It is the cams that are different. Bandits don't have a shaft drive. The two main differences that I am aware of is the cams and the engine size. I can't remember what size engine the 1100 is exactly, but I know that the 12oo is a 1157cc. I would be interesting to see a race between the three.
Indeed!
I'd like to bring a problem with the M/C press to your attention, though. Someone got the final drive efficiencies reversed. It was printed that chain drive is 88% efficient and shaft drive is 98% efficient. The truth is that these figures are reversed. Think about it: Shaft drive uses two 90-degree changes of direction to deliver power to the rear wheel. There are NO such changes of direction in a chain drive. Get a good oiler for the chain and the shaft drive's main advantage all but disappears. Get an X-chain, and watch how much better your Bandit performs due to a reduction in chain stiffness. Oyez!
Herb
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I saw a GSX1100G today. Except for the wooden box mounted on the rack, I liked it. If I had seen one before I bought my Bandit, I would have considered it. The speedo, tach, and fuel gauge are identical to the 1G Bandits. The GSX has almost identical HP and torque numbers compared to the Bandit 1200.
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Well call me crazy....but I might trade my '97 B12 for a '93 G. I like my stock Bandit, but the more "Cruiser like" attributes to the GSX appeal to me. Plus the GSX I'm looking at has a Corbin and Givi Hard bags which suit touring, and is claimed to be in excellent condition, as is my Bandit. I'm not a nut in the twisties...Offer is for an even swap...meeting the guy today.
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Hummm... Read these posts about buzziness yesterday. Went out and rode my 01B12S to see if I'd missed something. With no bar end weights, handle bar filled with BBs and capped... all gears and speeds up to 70 cruise... no buzz felt... Maybe I'm immune, but I don't think so. Last bike was an 03 ST1300 with DUAL COUNTER BALANCE SHAFTS which can be "tuned" with adjustments accessable with the engine running... and tuned to max smoothness at cruise rpms.. I could feel some buzz in the grips at about 3600rpm... but with Bandit... none felt... I guess I'm just fortunate...
JR
Lake Livingston, TX
You just sparked my creative side. I was wondering about doing something to mine, yeah it's a bit buzzy at certain RPM's. At work, we have this snake sleeve stuff used to protect cables. I could fill that with BB's, seal both ends and see what happens.
Thanks!
James