Bandit Alley
GENERAL MOTORCYCLE FORUMS => GENERAL MOTORCYCLE => Topic started by: banditII on September 19, 2005, 07:31:48 PM
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I may buy some of Dale Walker's Holeshot performance items for my B12 eventually, however, I don't want an outragiously loud motorcycle. Do any of you have one of his exhaust systems? If so, what kind and how loud is it? I know it's hard to type how loud a bike is, but try will you? I think Holeshot offers the all-out race muffler, an intermediate one etc... I may get the holeshot exhaust, jet kit, filters, and cams to give the bike a top end. This all may be down the road a bit.
Warren
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I don't think you will find any name-brand aftermarket can for the Bandit that is annoyingly loud... except maybe for the D&D.
Dale's is no exception.
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Dale offers quite a selection of different cans for the Bandit in terms of sound output. He uses two basic cores and three different lengths. The "Street Core" comes in 17" (Dale's standard length) or in 21" (Touring). The "Race Core" comes in 17" & 14" - with the 14" being the only choice if you want his high pipe.
I've got the 17" Street on mine and it's been on there practically since Day 1 of my ownership. I chose this one because I didn't want a really loud can. From the Bandits I've heard with aftermarket cans, I'd say it's pretty close between mine and the Yosh Zyclone for the quietest. (I've never heard a 21" Touring can, but they are supposed to be even quieter.) I've heard the 17" & 14" race cans, too. They aren't too bad, but they are louder, the 14" more than the 17" - obviously.
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I have the 17 Street on my B6. Just a little louder than stock until about 7000 rpm. Really comes to life at 10000. Really nice pipe and you get a centerstand stop so you can keep the stand.
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Do any of you guys have other holeshot mods on your bike besides the exhaust?
Warren
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I've got the can and his Stage II pod filter jet kit, also bought my hugger and last DID chain from him and also buy my Perf-Form oil filters there, too.
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I've got the 17" Comp model and the Stage 1 kit. When I first put it on I thought it was loud, but under normal riding conditions it is not obnoxious. Once you hit 6 or 7K RPM, it does have a nice "growl" to it. Glad I went with the Comp over the Street.
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i've got the holeshot 21" touring on my b6 and it isn't loud at all. if you crank on it, it'll give you a nice sound, but it is fairly quiet both at around town and highway speeds.
i installed the the stage 1 jet kit with it as well.
phil
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Thanks for all the info guys! I may go with the 17" street pipe with jet kit. Who knows? For now, at least while I have my ZX-9R, I may leave the bandit as is. If I sell the cow and go with the bandit as an only bike, I'd probably want to give it the top end punch it now lacks. But the bandit is anything but slow, even in stock form. I was riding home from work today on the freeway enjoying the effortless top gear roll on acceleration at highway speeds, it's nice. I could be wrong but seems like my 05 Bandit is even quieter than the 01 B12 I used to have? Maybe I just forgot?
Warren
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I may buy some of Dale Walker's Holeshot performance items for my B12 eventually, however,
Warren
Got he holeshot comp 17", got it cheap in the black and chrome version, from someone from here at BBS who never did the install. Wouldn't ordinarily of gone with the black powdercoated if i had gotten from dale walker first hand though. However, Im glad i did, the black allows you to buff out marks that the stainless doesn't. plus, the pipe stays cooler than the stainless. The comp 1 is louder than the street core but not as loud as the comp 2. I was a little concerned at first, cos the diff was significant I thought, but really, after about 6 months of riding with it, I LOVE IT! wouldnt go back to OEM and and it didnt really bother me, as i thought it would, at highway speeds, It seems past 80kPH you only hear the wind and motor mostly anyway. but love the sound when u crank it!... Yeah!.. thats what I'm talking about! :banana: . Buddy of mine got one for his SV650 as soon as he heard mine, he loves it too. easy to swap fo the stock one too!.!
Highly reccommend it, Did install modified jet kit, but had too many probs in tuning, got all weird and lumpy on me, plus mileage went down alot. turned out mostly the advancer was the trouble, sometimes the timing from stock is not exactly where it should be so the 5 degree timing advancer can end up pushing your advance more than 5 degrees, i think mine was at around 8 degrees or so with the advancer installed. So yeah, it kinda put it out of whack.
Actually, I ended up with just the shims on the needles instead and I actually prefer it. when you crank it, its really responsive, almost.. SPRINGY! in acceleration when you really need it. PLus I have the mileage of stock, best of both worlds it seems, Im happy with it now, but certainly wasn't when my idle was off and had trouble keeping her idling when cold, the lowered mileage also hurt the pocketbook and took the fun out of it all. I figure an extra 10 HP is not really worth the cost elsewhere. I'm happy with my 106/107 Hp with slip on. ( its not like I was lacking in power anyway). I figure, I got the pipe and the jet kit for $300, so wether i fully use the jet kit or not, it still was an awesome deal.
Word of warning, if your idle is good prior to the slip-on install, DONT TOUCH IT! wether you install the full modified jet kit or just partially like I now have it. It can be real tricky, getting it to idle nice again. If you still have trouble with the erratic idle prob similar to what I had, go back to the stock advancer first, this quite often resolves the problem.
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(http://www.holeshot.com/bandit/images/Bandit_A10.jpg)
This is my bike with a high mount. It isn't as loud as I thought it would be. I can hear it good when I accel, but cruisning speed is not loud at all.
Word of warning, if your idle is good prior to the slip-on install, DONT TOUCH IT! wether you install the full modified jet kit or just partially like I now have it. It can be real tricky, getting it to idle nice again. If you still have trouble with the erratic idle prob similar to what I had, go back to the stock advancer first, this quite often resolves the problem.
Have you ever thought that a carb sync may be in order?
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(http://www.holeshot.com/bandit/images/Bandit_A10.jpg)
This is my bike with a high mount. It isn't as loud as I thought it would be. I can hear it good when I accel, but cruisning speed is not loud at all.
Word of warning, if your idle is good prior to the slip-on install, DONT TOUCH IT! wether you install the full modified jet kit or just partially like I now have it. It can be real tricky, getting it to idle nice again. If you still have trouble with the erratic idle prob similar to what I had, go back to the stock advancer first, this quite often resolves the problem.
Have you ever thought that a carb sync may be in order?
Burkburnett? There were several Texans at the Ark Banditfest this weekend. Some left early to beat the rain.
I'm in Okla City.
John
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There were several Texans at the Ark Banditfest this weekend. Some left early to beat the rain.
And we made it back about 10 pm... just a few hours before the rain and wind hit. Over 500 miles for the day and I was doing :monkeymoon: all the way back.
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I am currently in San Antonio for school for another 3 weeks. I would've loved to have made it there.
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Have you ever thought that a carb sync may be in order?
Thats what we did, we synced up the carbs, following the initial install, (not that it was running bad before) thinking we could get it better. Couldnt get it to idle better at all, actually got worse, should of left it be, in retrospect, it was fine, without messing.
The mileage was getting to me anyway, and as it seems daily an increase at the pump. We (me and my helper) both find the bike performs better without the full jet kit anyhow. Just have the shims in now and it is much more preferred.
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It took me a bit to figure out the trick to setting up the sync. The first try, it ran worse. I eventually figured it out and now it runs pretty smooth now.
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It took me a bit to figure out the trick to setting up the sync. The first try, it ran worse. I eventually figured it out and now it runs pretty smooth now.
Oh, we tried, about a dozen times to sync that puppy, trying different things, here and there, screws out, screws in, pilots in, pilots out, timing advancer in, out, stock one in, change plugs, mod airbox, change filter, open up check for debris, o-ring checks etc etc etc...no way, no how was that thing gonna run like it should. took everything out, put all stock components in, left 5 shims p/needle, and comp 1 slip-on and she runs real good now, actually, as i said earlier, better and way smoother than she did with the whole modified jet kit in, plus better mileage. PLUS my buddy who helped me will be returning his B12 to the same specs, only with IVANS kit and yosh pipe, he liked the way she ran after all was said and done so much, that hes doing the surgery to his own bike now.
Over, done, and steak dinner eaten. not touching it again, ever. happy with where its at. for all the effort, the extra 10+ hp, just ain't worth it. I'm sure others have had better success than I did, and thats just great, I must be the odd one out, with the odd bandit.
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PHil did you have any problems installing your jet kit on your B6?
i've got the holeshot 21" touring on my b6 and it isn't loud at all. if you crank on it, it'll give you a nice sound, but it is fairly quiet both at around town and highway speeds.
i installed the the stage 1 jet kit with it as well.
phil