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Offline aussiebandit

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« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2005, 07:19:20 AM »
Couldn't agree more Mick.....Loud pipes do save lives, and yes they can send you deaf...that's why they invented ear plugs.....

As Mick will confirm, my B12 is exceedingly quiet, however the Treasurers M750 makes up for it and then some....
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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2005, 07:30:48 AM »
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As Mick will confirm, my B12 is exceedingly quiet, however the Treasurers M750 makes up for it and then some....


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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2005, 11:12:40 AM »
I don't mind louder than stock pipes, it's just the super deafening megaphone loud ones that to me, are over the top.  As far as being heard goes, the left turning car up ahead may not hear your loud pipes anyway.  Your pipes are pointed in the opposite direction.  I can see loud pipes warning car drivers of your presence going in the same direction on the highway, say as the bike comes alongside the car in the cars blind spot.  There is probably a happy medium in there somewhere.  Public opinion of we motorcyclists is indeed something we need to consider.  If we don't police ourselves, it may be that the public will take care of that for us.
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« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2005, 11:28:00 AM »
I don't know if anyone here ever read "The Hurt Report".  If not you should.  It points out a few things you may not expect.  Such as loud pipes DO NOT make you any safer.  Also that lane splitting when done properly is safer the sitting open to a rear end collision.  This report was published in the late 70's but the info within still stands true today.  Plus it was the only report of its type that used ACTUAL accident reports and research to arrive at real world findings.  It was credible enough to keep California from banning lane splitting.  Good Read
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« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2005, 11:43:22 AM »
Yeah, loud pipes will eventually prevent most of us from dying in a motorcycle crash, since they give ammunition to the idiots who would like to ban bikes, altogether.
  In some circumstances, not all, the sound of a loud pipe does alert cars to the presence of a bike.   The problem is, as mentioned, the sound doesn't exactly always travel in the direction you need it to.
 I live a block off of a main drag, and 2 good blocks from a busy intersection.   (Maybe 2-300 yards from it, as the crow flies.)
  I'm sure the loud pipe bunch riding down the main drag, and through that intersection feel much more secure knowing I can hear them in my apartment, and they are in no danger of me running over them with my SOFA!
  Of course, I can't really tell which direction they're going from here.....
  I've driven more miles than most, and am not convinced any benefit you'd derive from loud pipes, outweighs the amount of annoyance they create.
  The pipes themselves aren't totally the problem.  I'm convinced it's the idiots clamped to the throttle.  It is possible to keep a loud bike 'quiet.

  I guess the cruisers are terrified of being run over at stop signs and stop lights, since they seem to love to exercise the pipes while stopped at them.

  If the 'loud' thing works, why don't you hear any other group associated with a means of transportation promoting loud exhausts?

     Loud pipes on hearses save lives?

     Loud pipes on trash trucks save lives?

  Loud shoes on the horses pulling Amish buggies save lives?
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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2005, 12:08:28 PM »
IMO, loud pipes don't make you less invisible to getting hit by cagers.  Defensive driving does... probably 99% of the time.

When you're on a motorcycle... if you're not assuming that every car that can hit you will hit you... and you think you've got some added 'security' with loud pipes... you've got an accident sometime in your future.


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« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2005, 12:29:54 PM »
I know that Pete (and apparently others) always rolls his eyes at this but I don't understand how being heard can't help you be noticed.  That makes no sense to me.  If I'm stuck between a car and a Jersey barrier and have the choice between the cager hearing me and not... I'm pickin' hearing me!  

Don't get me wrong - the deafening, window-rattling straight pipes are idiotic.  I just don't see how there is this ongoing argument about whether being heard is safer.  It's a no-brainer.
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« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2005, 12:31:08 PM »
That must be it. I'm actually hearing those loud, safe, bikes in Australia, 15000 miles away.
 Just wait until I tell PETA you damn Aussies are deafening the 'roos!

Yeah, Rob, in some situations, some noise helps.   Hey, there's a horn on this bike, somewhere.  I likewise, have made some noise in situations when a car is alongside of me, and not acting like they know I'm there.
As a 'blanket' policy, the pipes can't be heard in all directions you have danger from.
  I'd actually like to see some accident figures from loud bikes being pulled out in front of, or turned in front of, versus, quite bikes.


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« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2005, 12:35:15 PM »
Quote from: "PeteSC"
That must be it. I'm actually hearing those loud, safe, bikes in Australia, 15000 miles away.
 Just wait until I tell PETA you damn Aussies are deafening the 'roos!


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Excuse me, Pete, old buddy, but you left off your list of dangerous topics...

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« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2005, 12:45:51 PM »
Well, the 'Danger' topic list is kind of keyed to topics that may end up with some irate member threatening to kill everyone, saying bad words, then quitting the board in a 'hissy fit',  (Usually to rejoin 6 months later, acting like nothing ever happened, and quite often after going through the same process at another board  theyjoined after leaving this one in a huff.) :roll:
  We don't have a lot of 'drama queens' here, and I like it that way, but, damn, I like to stir stuff up.
  (Particularily those damn Aussies, who are too far away to come kick my arse!) :beers:


Chain vs Shaft is kind of getting diluted, since we're finally seeing some decent performance from shafties.
   Anal vs Oral vs 'Normal' vs ??
 Is one are we ought to avoid.... :duh:
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« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2005, 01:30:28 PM »
Pete, why the hell would I spend $10 on a louder horn when I can spend hundreds on a pipe!?!?!?   :stickpoke:   Ooops, I used a bad word too!  

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« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2005, 02:44:58 PM »
Maniac's views...

Loud pipes sound cool. Straight pipes, while they sound cool, are to damned loud.

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Ditto Pitter's view on the helmets

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« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2005, 04:13:25 PM »
While I don't think an aftermarket pipe does much good for oncoming traffic, I feel a hell of a lot safer in heavy highway traffic, (Unavoidable sometimes). While It may not make me any more visible My Yoshi does warn people that there is a bike near them.Gives em a audible blind spot warning. I do try to keep the noise down as much as I can in the neighborhood. 2500 to 3k RPM gives a nice deep note but not obnoxious.

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« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2005, 06:33:02 PM »
I have chopped off exhaust (an I mean literally chopped off) on my B6, and it is loud.  Yes at 6k revs and above its freakin' loud but at idle or waddling down the street at 30 mph (as in residential situations)  its not any worse than any other vehicle with aftermarket exhaust.  I happen to agree that the more of the cager's senses I can engage the better chance I have of getting him to look down from his mighty machine and miss my sorry butt. Really do we need Excursions those things burn more gas warming up than I will all day. (sorry I'm no tree hugger but I know what is reasonable and what is not)

Granted I am a young guy and I ride with a younger crowd and the younger you go the higher the loud co-efficient. Stereos, cars, bikes the younger you are the louder these things tend to be. But that doesn't excuse us from civil behavior.  The guys I ride with have harleys and buells as well as sportbikes and metric cruisers. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that just about any bike can do the loud pipe thing. It comes down to the rider to be responsible and all makes and models are afflicted with squidly syndrome.
 
So guys take it easy on people who choose loud pipes,  or this forum may be littered with threads about how offensive hard luggage is. Just kidding.
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« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2005, 10:49:36 PM »
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I know that Pete (and apparently others) always rolls his eyes at this but I don't understand how being heard can't help you be noticed.  That makes no sense to me.  If I'm stuck between a car and a Jersey barrier and have the choice between the cager hearing me and not... I'm pickin' hearing me!  

Don't get me wrong - the deafening, window-rattling straight pipes are idiotic.  I just don't see how there is this ongoing argument about whether being heard is safer.  It's a no-brainer.


If being heard leads to being seen, then yes, being heard is a Good Thing (tm) - but if all it does is get your heard, what's the point?

Low frequency sound (such as a big V-twin or a thumper) is omnidirectional.
High frequency (such as an inline 4 or most any 2-stroke) is directional.
Low frequency travels longer distances than the same db level of higher freqs.

So, Bubba Badass on his Hawg can be heard a long way off, but Comatose Cager won't be able to tell where he's at and will only know if he's getting closer or further by the change in volume (until he's seen). Even the change in volume may not be enough to tell which direction he's coming towards the cager from. This introduces a new hazard as Comatose starts rubber necking around trying to see what the noise is and where it's coming from.

OTOH, Ricky Roadracer on his crotch rocket can't be heard until he's very close, and usually not until his bike is right next to our friend Mr. Cager - and startles the last meal out of him. CC can hear Ricky just fine - as he disappears into the sunset...
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