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GENERAL MOTORCYCLE FORUMS => GENERAL MOTORCYCLE => Topic started by: B12Teuton on October 30, 2005, 11:21:52 AM
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are starting to piss me off!
Every time one of my kids takes a nap, one of my neighbors roars by on a Harley with loud pipes and scares the hell out of them.
It just happened again. 10:20am, my son's been naping for all of 20 minutes and now he's sitting in his crib screaming because some A-hole sat at the intersection blipping the throttle on his Hog and then went thundering off with all his 63hp.
:soapbox: :stop:
WTF!?!?!?
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Amazing that we even bother worrying about how loud our Holeshot or Yosh slip-ons are... when those M-F'ers are riding around on Hardley-Ablesons with straight pipes.
My house is only 20 miles from downtown Chicago, and backs up to a main street that leads to several miles of nice roads through forest preserves. So I hear those pukes every day on their iron-butt rides. (Which on a Hardley is about 20 minutes.)
And of course they have to blip the throttle frequently to remind us that they have 1 undersized personal body part.
The nice thing is that now the weather is down below 70 degrees... I see and hear NO Hardleys. I was out yesterday for a couple hour ride and saw tons of jap/german bikes... but only one HD. I guess the bandana crowd just can't handle a 65 degree day.
Of course they're a lot tougher hombres than us, right? :wink:
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Videotape the moron, and see if there's any local ordinances about noise. If not, see if you can get one started.
It's like people have no common sense or courtesy anymore. Whether it's some idiot on a loud bike, or some moron standing in the street at 3 am, blowing the horn because he's too lazy to walk to the door to ring the bell to get his carpooler out of the house....or the Jerk who's gonna blast you with 200db of distortion at every redlight........or the dork screaming into a cellphone in the grocery checkout line, 1 foot away from you.
"It's all about ME, screw you....."
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If it happens regularly, see if you can get your neighbors involved. Multiple eyes can help identify the suspect better (unless you already know who it is). I'm sure you're not the only one who's annoyed by this guy.
Not all Harley riders are arrested development, but of course it's easy to spot the obvious. I was on the side of the road once, adding some extra clothing under my jacket, when a guy on a Harley pulled over and asked if I was OK. I said yeah and thanked him and he pulled off. His Harley did not have loud pipes. This guy was "normal", even if he did ride a Harley. :lol:
So I take Harley guys one at a time. It's not just Harley guys either. It's more of a cruiser crowd thing, there's other loud bikes and they're not Harleys. Hondas, Yamaha, Suzuki, etc. To me, the bad Harley/cruiser guys and the holier-than-thou sport bikers are the ones who give motorcycling a bad name. Sport bikes can get annoyingly loud too.
I was pulling out of a parking lot on my B4 (with a stock muffler), and a little girl sitting in a parked SUV put her fingers in her ears in anticipation of the worst. I felt embarassed, even though I knew my bike isn't loud. Obviously she's in an environment where one or more sport bikers are making a lot of noise.
Where there's smoke, there's fire, and it's harder to put out the fire. The loud bikers are the smoke, the companies who make the loud mufflers and straight pipes are the fire. You have an industry that perpetuates this moron mentality. Just look through any street sportbike catalog. How do you nip that in the bud? :annoy:
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I actually saw a couple on a Harley wearing helmets, today, yeah they were beanies.
(Usually see no helmet period around here...)
Shortly after getting the holeshot pipe on my '99 1200, I was riding down a main drag at around 40-45 mph. A couple of youngish girls were walking down the sidewalk in the direction I was going.
I was probably in 3 or 4th, trying to keep the bike quiet. Not revving, nada stupid. I was checking these gals out as I rolled passed them,
(turned out to be 12 or so... :roll: ) and just as I was abreast of them, they both screamed and jumped, as if the noise surprised them.
(I had a full faced helmet on, and my face was covered, so no, it wasn't 'that'.)
I'm still trying to figure out if they didn't hear the bike until it was almost on top of them, or what......
At that speed, and rpm, it was probably a distinctive 'burble', but not loud.
Sorry, there are a couple of things that 'set me off'. One is somebody going 'vroom, vroom, vroom' for no reason. The other is somebody going 'vroom, vroom, vroom' right after starting a cold engine.
:duh:
I remember one time I was at a gas station. Some JERK on a harley pulled in next to me, under a canopy that seemed to trap the sound, sat there going 'Vroom, Vroom, vroom' for minute, put a dollar of gas in,
(Probably a years supply) sent his girlfriend in to pay, and then went 'vroom, vroom, vroom' again for 30 seconds before leaving.
It was PAINFULLY loud. I pretended not to notice him, and was trying to remember if I had a gun in the pickup somewhere.
I think the fact I had a rice burner in the back of the pickup prompted a couple of 'vrooms'...so I guess it was my fault.
The only good thing is, he'll probably never hear the SUV that runs him over..... :roll:
The 'vroom' syndrome isn't confined to bikes. A lot of 'big' truckers figure 'louder is better', also. I was also behind an F150 the other day that rattled my teeth........
There's just no excuse. I'd love to see the local police get sound meters............
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Not all Harley riders are arrested development, but of course it's easy to spot the obvious.
I OWNED a Harley ten years ago. And it was piped and jeted. But it had a two into one Jardine system that made my Sporty look more like an XR. It made more power than the straight pipes that were on the bike first, was a lot quieter and actually made it sound tuned!
There is no generalization to be made, but those who offend can be spotted from a mile away... not waving back as you ride past. :roll:
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When my brother bought his Roadstar, he put straight pipes on it.
I asked if he put a jet kit in too...
He said, nope who needs it?.
ME "your motor thats who".
HIM "who cares about the motor, it sounds cool is all I know, and it sets off car alarms". :sad:
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Whatcha bet he whines if he ever gets a ticket for disturbing the peace, and then starts mumbling about 'freedom' and stuff?
It's the loud bikes, and the squidly riders, who bring laws down on all of us. I can live with sound level enforcement, as long as they actually nail the arseholes who are making all the racket, not a stray sportbike that happens by.
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Occasionally, on my way to work, I am passed by some dude with a jap bike that is so loud it's unbelievable. We can be separated by literally 10 to 15 cars and he's still so loud that I can not hear wind noise in my helmet, nor my own engine. We're going 70 and he's helmetless, of course. Man, it blows my mind.
I can't imagine what his neighbors think of him that early in the morning (between 5:30 AM and 6:00 AM) when he fires that up! I'd have to kill him. :roll: :roll:
I hope everybody remembers, when you're buying new pipes, to get a set that gives you a sweet, quiet rumble, and doesn't get loud unless you really tromp on it.
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For sure it's not just Harley riders. My last bike was a Honda Shadow. I frequented the hondashadow.net website and it seemed like 90% of those guys either knocked the baffles out of their mufflers, or put straight pipes on. I guess maybe it's a V-twin thing. I went of once on a guy who was ranting and raving about the magical wonders of loud pipes. I told him that if he rode past my house while we were sleeping with those loud pipes I'd have to break out the shot gun. I couldn't believe how I got railed by so many people for "complaining". I should be more "tolerant" about freedom of expression and stuff like that. Yeah, tell that to my son, who was about 2 then who you just woke up from his nap. You try getting your kid down for a good nap so you can get some rest yourself, and then have him get waken up by some complete idiot with an atitude. Then, talk to me about freedom of expression. So no, it's not just Harley riders. And, the last time I checked, Honda Shadows are jap bikes too.
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Find out where they live and ring there door bell at 2:00 a.m. When they answer the door ask him how the Harley is running and then leave.
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I've got a full exhaust system on my bike and wonder if I'm too loud sometimes...How can these guys ride with straight pipes (the kind you can hear 20 blocks away in NYC) and not be completely embarrased? Or deaf! :shock:
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Loud pipes don't save lives. All they do is scream 'look at me, look at me, look at me!'
Most of the idiots are so ignorant, they don't realize that when somebody in traffic is glaring at them, they probably aren't thinking 'Gee, I wish that was me on that bike...'
It's the same mentality as the morons with the ultra loud car stereos.
They don't haven any common sense, or consideration of others.
I just wish both would get pulled over, and ticketed.
Some of them are stupid enough they'll run from the cops, crash, and kill themselves.
You can keep most loud systems quiet enough in town, if you try.
The residents of Myrtle Beach are sick of the loud bikes. They wrote noise tickets during the fall bikeweeks. The big test, will be in the bigger rallys in the spring.
Myrtle Beach residents are so sick of the bikes, they want to ban the bikeweeks, even though it's a big source of income for the businesses in the area, and accounts for an ungodly percentage of yearly liqour sales.
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I once pulled into the parking lot of a Quicky Mart. I was on a BMW at the time. I overheard some parked Harley guys muttering to each other, "yep, here come the ear plugs". They were poking fun at the fact I wore ear-plugs. I guess they figured only uppitty BMW guys wear ear plugs. Actually, I've met a lot of nice Harley guys, but the extremely loud pipes are annoying. I remember when my daughter was a baby and she was back there in her car seat, then some inconsiderate idiot would blow by rattling her ear drums and scaring her. I tell you, if I didn't fear the law I might have assisted some of these folks in seeing things a little different.
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Loud pipes don't save lives. All they do is scream 'look at me, look at me, look at me!'
Sorry Guys, gotta disagree :wink: , just by Pete's opening lines, you have just contradicted yourself :stickpoke: , because if the loud pipes are screaming look at me, look at me, look at me, then there must be a higher chance, of Mr Moron car driver His Missers, and every other dick brain out there, actually looking and seeing you :roll: . If so then its gotta be said that loud pipes have in fact done the job, of bringing attention to you the rider. Now I dont know about you guys state side but the favorite excuse down under is "sorry mate didnt see you".
Now I aint gonna hang shyte on no one for wearing dayglow vests etc, but the whole point to wearing bright reflective dayglow gear is?.
Right to bring attention to one self for safety reasons. As a ex proffesional rider, ( city courier ) who has tried the dayglow vests, ( which in my view failed the acid test, badly, because you can dress to be seen, but you can not make the bastards look :shock: ) however the loud pipe did work. :motorsmile:
So guys for crying out loud, build a bridge, get over it. :boohoo:
Its a fact, loud pipes do save lives :yesno: , more so than, bright orange and yellow refective dayglow riding suits, more so than lights on at all times, yes it may in time send me deaf, but hey deafness may not as yet be curable, but I bet ya its far more curable than deadness.:duh:
Ok some of you guys like to have a beef about the local HD rider who Shytes you off, He more than likely has a low opinion of you. So bloody what, build another effen bridge, and get over that too. Does the local truckie shyte you off every morning whern he warms his rig up for 20 minutes before leaving, do the garbo's wake you at 4 am emptying ya trash cans :gatlin , for gods sake, this is starting to sound like womens shyte. :soapbox:
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Couldn't agree more Mick.....Loud pipes do save lives, and yes they can send you deaf...that's why they invented ear plugs.....
As Mick will confirm, my B12 is exceedingly quiet, however the Treasurers M750 makes up for it and then some....
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As Mick will confirm, my B12 is exceedingly quiet, however the Treasurers M750 makes up for it and then some....
Good news Mick,
The shop now stocks Jardine, Yoshi, Remus and Micron.
And yes we still mod Remus cans down to little tiny small like' loud and obnoxious shorty cans. :shock: Like mine. :crackattack:
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I don't mind louder than stock pipes, it's just the super deafening megaphone loud ones that to me, are over the top. As far as being heard goes, the left turning car up ahead may not hear your loud pipes anyway. Your pipes are pointed in the opposite direction. I can see loud pipes warning car drivers of your presence going in the same direction on the highway, say as the bike comes alongside the car in the cars blind spot. There is probably a happy medium in there somewhere. Public opinion of we motorcyclists is indeed something we need to consider. If we don't police ourselves, it may be that the public will take care of that for us.
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I don't know if anyone here ever read "The Hurt Report". If not you should. It points out a few things you may not expect. Such as loud pipes DO NOT make you any safer. Also that lane splitting when done properly is safer the sitting open to a rear end collision. This report was published in the late 70's but the info within still stands true today. Plus it was the only report of its type that used ACTUAL accident reports and research to arrive at real world findings. It was credible enough to keep California from banning lane splitting. Good Read
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Yeah, loud pipes will eventually prevent most of us from dying in a motorcycle crash, since they give ammunition to the idiots who would like to ban bikes, altogether.
In some circumstances, not all, the sound of a loud pipe does alert cars to the presence of a bike. The problem is, as mentioned, the sound doesn't exactly always travel in the direction you need it to.
I live a block off of a main drag, and 2 good blocks from a busy intersection. (Maybe 2-300 yards from it, as the crow flies.)
I'm sure the loud pipe bunch riding down the main drag, and through that intersection feel much more secure knowing I can hear them in my apartment, and they are in no danger of me running over them with my SOFA!
Of course, I can't really tell which direction they're going from here.....
I've driven more miles than most, and am not convinced any benefit you'd derive from loud pipes, outweighs the amount of annoyance they create.
The pipes themselves aren't totally the problem. I'm convinced it's the idiots clamped to the throttle. It is possible to keep a loud bike 'quiet.
I guess the cruisers are terrified of being run over at stop signs and stop lights, since they seem to love to exercise the pipes while stopped at them.
If the 'loud' thing works, why don't you hear any other group associated with a means of transportation promoting loud exhausts?
Loud pipes on hearses save lives?
Loud pipes on trash trucks save lives?
Loud shoes on the horses pulling Amish buggies save lives?
:monkeymoon:
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IMO, loud pipes don't make you less invisible to getting hit by cagers. Defensive driving does... probably 99% of the time.
When you're on a motorcycle... if you're not assuming that every car that can hit you will hit you... and you think you've got some added 'security' with loud pipes... you've got an accident sometime in your future.
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I know that Pete (and apparently others) always rolls his eyes at this but I don't understand how being heard can't help you be noticed. That makes no sense to me. If I'm stuck between a car and a Jersey barrier and have the choice between the cager hearing me and not... I'm pickin' hearing me!
Don't get me wrong - the deafening, window-rattling straight pipes are idiotic. I just don't see how there is this ongoing argument about whether being heard is safer. It's a no-brainer.
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That must be it. I'm actually hearing those loud, safe, bikes in Australia, 15000 miles away.
Just wait until I tell PETA you damn Aussies are deafening the 'roos!
Yeah, Rob, in some situations, some noise helps. Hey, there's a horn on this bike, somewhere. I likewise, have made some noise in situations when a car is alongside of me, and not acting like they know I'm there.
As a 'blanket' policy, the pipes can't be heard in all directions you have danger from.
I'd actually like to see some accident figures from loud bikes being pulled out in front of, or turned in front of, versus, quite bikes.
Added to the list of board 'Danger' subjects...
Loud Pipes save lives
Best oil?
Liberal/Conservative
Helmets
Nudity/obscenity in the general forums
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That must be it. I'm actually hearing those loud, safe, bikes in Australia, 15000 miles away.
Just wait until I tell PETA you damn Aussies are deafening the 'roos!
Added to the list of board 'Danger' subjects...
Loud Pipes save lives
Best oil?
Liberal/Conservative
Helmets
Nudity/obscenity in the general forums
Excuse me, Pete, old buddy, but you left off your list of dangerous topics...
Chain vs. Shaft
Naked vs. Faired
Lying down vs. Sitting up
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Well, the 'Danger' topic list is kind of keyed to topics that may end up with some irate member threatening to kill everyone, saying bad words, then quitting the board in a 'hissy fit', (Usually to rejoin 6 months later, acting like nothing ever happened, and quite often after going through the same process at another board theyjoined after leaving this one in a huff.) :roll:
We don't have a lot of 'drama queens' here, and I like it that way, but, damn, I like to stir stuff up.
(Particularily those damn Aussies, who are too far away to come kick my arse!) :beers:
Chain vs Shaft is kind of getting diluted, since we're finally seeing some decent performance from shafties.
Anal vs Oral vs 'Normal' vs ??
Is one are we ought to avoid.... :duh:
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Pete, why the hell would I spend $10 on a louder horn when I can spend hundreds on a pipe!?!?!? :stickpoke: Ooops, I used a bad word too!
In case anyone is interested:
Pitter's views...
Loud pipes are undoubtedly safer
I use Shell Rotella T
I'm a fiscal conservative and a little more moderate on social issues
I think anyone who doesn't wear a helmet all the time is dumb but I'm against "mandatory" anything.
I think nudity and explicit language should be limited to the Clubhouse (but there should be WAY more nudity there). "Hell", "shit" and "damn" should be perfectly acceptable in any of the forums.
:lol:
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Maniac's views...
Loud pipes sound cool. Straight pipes, while they sound cool, are to damned loud.
I used Mobil 1, or have been.
Uh... hell if I know. I defy labeling!
Ditto Pitter's view on the helmets
Ditto Pitter's view on the nudity. Although my definition of 'acceptable nudity' only includes attractive females (Human ones... darned Aussies)
Swearing is fine on here, we're all old enough to get our asses killed on a motorcycle, we can all swear. Just try not to sound like an old sailor.
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While I don't think an aftermarket pipe does much good for oncoming traffic, I feel a hell of a lot safer in heavy highway traffic, (Unavoidable sometimes). While It may not make me any more visible My Yoshi does warn people that there is a bike near them.Gives em a audible blind spot warning. I do try to keep the noise down as much as I can in the neighborhood. 2500 to 3k RPM gives a nice deep note but not obnoxious.
Dave
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I have chopped off exhaust (an I mean literally chopped off) on my B6, and it is loud. Yes at 6k revs and above its freakin' loud but at idle or waddling down the street at 30 mph (as in residential situations) its not any worse than any other vehicle with aftermarket exhaust. I happen to agree that the more of the cager's senses I can engage the better chance I have of getting him to look down from his mighty machine and miss my sorry butt. Really do we need Excursions those things burn more gas warming up than I will all day. (sorry I'm no tree hugger but I know what is reasonable and what is not)
Granted I am a young guy and I ride with a younger crowd and the younger you go the higher the loud co-efficient. Stereos, cars, bikes the younger you are the louder these things tend to be. But that doesn't excuse us from civil behavior. The guys I ride with have harleys and buells as well as sportbikes and metric cruisers. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that just about any bike can do the loud pipe thing. It comes down to the rider to be responsible and all makes and models are afflicted with squidly syndrome.
So guys take it easy on people who choose loud pipes, or this forum may be littered with threads about how offensive hard luggage is. Just kidding.
Also I don't know that I've heard anyone say, " I started riding because it makes me feel like a good citizen" on the contrary its usually more like the idea of Steve McQueen or Evil Kenevil that inspired us to ride. Sure a childhood fantansy is no reason to bomb around the suburbs pissing off your neighbors, but admidt it deep down we all want to feel like Steve McQueen sometimes.
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I know that Pete (and apparently others) always rolls his eyes at this but I don't understand how being heard can't help you be noticed. That makes no sense to me. If I'm stuck between a car and a Jersey barrier and have the choice between the cager hearing me and not... I'm pickin' hearing me!
Don't get me wrong - the deafening, window-rattling straight pipes are idiotic. I just don't see how there is this ongoing argument about whether being heard is safer. It's a no-brainer.
If being heard leads to being seen, then yes, being heard is a Good Thing (tm) - but if all it does is get your heard, what's the point?
Low frequency sound (such as a big V-twin or a thumper) is omnidirectional.
High frequency (such as an inline 4 or most any 2-stroke) is directional.
Low frequency travels longer distances than the same db level of higher freqs.
So, Bubba Badass on his Hawg can be heard a long way off, but Comatose Cager won't be able to tell where he's at and will only know if he's getting closer or further by the change in volume (until he's seen). Even the change in volume may not be enough to tell which direction he's coming towards the cager from. This introduces a new hazard as Comatose starts rubber necking around trying to see what the noise is and where it's coming from.
OTOH, Ricky Roadracer on his crotch rocket can't be heard until he's very close, and usually not until his bike is right next to our friend Mr. Cager - and startles the last meal out of him. CC can hear Ricky just fine - as he disappears into the sunset...
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Ok then I throw this one left of field
Why is it then that I see every day, police, fire dept and ambo's using lights and no one notices them in the traffic, go the siren, then and only then do Mr and Mrs Moron car driver take any ****** notice and move out the ****** way. Hello are we all missing something here, all of the above are lit up like ****** christmas tree's, yet no one see them. Yet if its audiable, they take some notice. Fact, I personally witnessed it all day everyday for years. And for crying out loud fire trucks are ***** huge. Us motorcycles are small, so if Mr and Mrs Moron don't or carn't see a ***** huge fire truck, what the hell chance, has a Motorbicyclist have? And I'll state it again Pete, in fact said it for me, absolutely perfectly, Loud pipes, Look at me, look at me, look at me. Still beats dayglow jumpsuit, modulating headlights, and light on at all times. If you don't beleive me, take up being a courier for just a month, with stock mufflers, then a month with after market units, trust me its chalk and cheese. Hey if ya reckon try out the dayglow suit, I did. and as I stated, aint worth a ***** full of hot water, because you carnt make the ******** look. The report stated by some-one, ( to ****** lazy to look back through the posts ) in the seventies, very good. I was riding back then there was far less traffic, and the driving back then was of a much higher standard, drivers used common ***** sence (RIP) they used common courtesy, (another RIP) used their effen mirrors(RIP), hmmm most drivers these days think they are for vaniety use only, and most where fully aware of what the hell was going on around them. So your 35 year old study also aint worth a ***** full of hot water. We had a report tabled by a polly, who used a report, to bring in the federal lights on law, back in the 90's, very good you all might say, but, this report was from a scandinavian country, very good I hear you all say, So they ***** well should have their lights on, they are in near darkness during daytime hours for 6 months of the year. BTW that law has since been repealed. Reports are like statistics, they can all be bent to suit, who evers purpose, and just like the pollies that end up using them, they are generally both full off *****. :taz: Edited of all naughty words.
Gee's Pete your :stfu: a SHYTE stirrer.
:lol: and no you can not have the bloody hook back. :duh:
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Ok then I throw this one left of field
Why is it then that I see every day, police, fire dept and ambo's using lights and no one notices them in the traffic, go the siren, then and only then do Mr and Mrs Moron car driver take any ****** notice and move out the ****** way. Hello are we all missing something here, all of the above are lit up like ****** christmas tree's, yet no one see them. Yet if its audiable, they take some notice. Fact, I personally witnessed it all day everyday for years. And for crying out loud fire trucks are ***** huge. Us motorcycles are small, so if Mr and Mrs Moron don't or carn't see a ***** huge fire truck, what the hell chance, has a Motorbicyclist have? And I'll state it again Pete, in fact said it for me, absolutely perfectly, Loud pipes, Look at me, look at me, look at me. Still beats dayglow jumpsuit, modulating headlights, and light on at all times. If you don't beleive me, take up being a courier for just a month, with stock mufflers, then a month with after market units, trust me its chalk and cheese. Hey if ya reckon try out the dayglow suit, I did. and as I stated, aint worth a ***** full of hot water, because you carnt make the ******** look. The report stated by some-one, ( to ****** lazy to look back through the posts ) in the seventies, very good. I was riding back then there was far less traffic, and the driving back then was of a much higher standard, drivers used common ***** sence (RIP) they used common courtesy, (another RIP) used their effen mirrors(RIP), hmmm most drivers these days think they are for vaniety use only, and most where fully aware of what the hell was going on around them. So your 35 year old study also aint worth a ***** full of hot water. We had a report tabled by a polly, who used a report, to bring in the federal lights on law, back in the 90's, very good you all might say, but, this report was from a scandinavian country, very good I hear you all say, So they ***** well should have their lights on, they are in near darkness during daytime hours for 6 months of the year. BTW that law has since been repealed. Reports are like statistics, they can all be bent to suit, who evers purpose, and just like the pollies that end up using them, they are generally both full off *****. :taz: Edited of all naughty words.
Gee's Pete your :stfu: a SHYTE stirrer.
:lol: and no you can not have the bloody hook back. :duh:
Because the noise is deirected in more than one direction, BACKWARDS.
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Hey Mick, something I've noticed is I'll personally hear a siren, and often have to look in every direction before I can see the cop car, firetruck, or ambulance.
It happened just the other day, on the main drag of the 'burb I live in.
I heard the siren, cars on the street were pulling off to the side, looked all around,real cautiously, since there were a lot of sidestreets......then FINALLY the ambulance appears, coming down the hill behind me.
Oh yeah, people in the US aren't real good about getting out of the way for emergency vehicles...usually.
As loud as the sirens are, most modern cars are pretty quiet, and isolate the outside noise pretty well. Turn on a stereo, and add some 'don't give a shite', and it gets worse. You may hear something, a bike or siren, give a quick glance in the direction you think it's in....not see anything....and keep going.
The biggest factor is people aren't paying attention...otherwise they'd see us damn motorcycles in clear sight, in broad daylight.....with real ugly riders on pretty bikes. :duh:
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I'd like to see a Harley with the pipes facing forward! :grin:
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If you ever find me hanging around in someone's blind spot where they can swerve or change lanes into me... you have permission to pull me over and hit me in the head. :wink:
(And I have a Yosh RS-3 race slip-on)
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All of our safety measures, and laws, only contribute a trickle to the overall picture.
When Canada first started using the Daytime running lights, it used to bug the heck out of me every time I went up there. Why are
I think they help a little. They don't solve anything.
You can't teach idiots to turn on headlights when the pavement is wet, or it's raining. At least the DRL means they have some lights on, and I might be able to see them when it's not dark, but the visibility is down due to fogged up windows, rain grime covered mirrors, or fog.
Heck, I don't want to convince anyone that loud pipes are stupid.
I'm old enough to realize that some people aren't open to new ideas.
Loud pipes will create grief for all motorcyclists, since a lot of people are tired of them. Me included. I'm happy to see reasonable noise pollution laws passed, and enforced.
Oh yeah, most of the loud pipes locally are cruisers. They're LOUD at 5 mph, loud when they're sitting at a traffic light......blipping the throttle, loud when they're rolling it on to accelerate at a blistering 0-60 in 10 seconds rate. Most of the local sportbikes aren't loud unless they're getting squidly.......accelerating to 120 mph in a 35 zone..... :duh:
I think there's a lot of room between being able to be heard, and being 'loud'.
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The bottom line here is consideration, I think we all would agree. I personally have no problem with hearing loud pipes out in traffic. And, by the way, I've heard them coming up from behind me. And I doubt his pipes were pointing forward ;-) Problem is, if you have pipes that loud, you just can't hardly be quiet with them in places where people want quiet, i.e. your/my neighborhood at 3 a.m. So, maybe we should install sirens on our scoots eh?
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Everyone has a differnet opinion of what is to loud and I think that everyone can agree that when it passes your own standard of to loud it is just plain annoying...im a little younger than probably most of you and so my Interpretation of what is loud would be more tolerant...than say my dads...(I wont mention my mom b/c she cant stand being able to hear the radio her ears are so sensitive...terrible on long car rides)...I think loud pipes can be good and save lives but I also think goign 5 mph and being heard 4 streets over is just annoying...and sorry about idots wakeing up your baby...I know that is a real pain.
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Loud pipes don't save lives, they just feed ego's...
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If you ever find me hanging around in someone's blind spot where they can swerve or change lanes into me... you have permission to pull me over and hit me in the head. :wink:
(And I have a Yosh RS-3 race slip-on)
Better yet, the driver will take care of you by throwing a cigarette at you.
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I guess we don't have to worry about electric motorcycles catching on..... :duh:
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At the end of the day yes excessively loud pipes are annoying, but moderately loud pipes can save lives particularly when used in conjunction with 'lights on', defensive riding, and if you want day glow shyte.
I know that when I'm riding in a group of more than 3 no-one can hear my stock B12, which can be dangerous if I'm trying to pass someone. One of the other guys had a ZX12 and had the same problem, until he put on an aftermarket end can. Nothing excessive, still baffled, but instead of the ADR compliant 87db, he was up around the 100db.
Somehow I don't think we're going to get any agreement here :argue: :yesno:
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If you ever find me hanging around in someone's blind spot where they can swerve or change lanes into me... you have permission to pull me over and hit me in the head. :wink:
(And I have a Yosh RS-3 race slip-on)
Dude - ride rush-hour traffic in suburban Philly one day. Unless you want to sit in the slow lane - you'll find yourself in that situation at least a couple times. It's an 80mph traffic jam.
Hey Manny - is this what you expected this thread to turn into???? :wink:
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If you ever find me hanging around in someone's blind spot where they can swerve or change lanes into me... you have permission to pull me over and hit me in the head. :wink:
(And I have a Yosh RS-3 race slip-on)
Dude - ride rush-hour traffic in suburban Philly one day. Unless you want to sit in the slow lane - you'll find yourself in that situation at least a couple times. It's an 80mph traffic jam.
Hey Manny - is this what you expected this thread to turn into???? :wink:
Dude - I live in Chicago. There's many ways to avoid sitting in someone's blind spot in any kind of traffic.
But I'll give you the fact you're going to be pressed into that situation on occasion. That's when I keep my thumb over the horn button. :wink:
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I guess we don't have to worry about electric motorcycles catching on..... :duh:
hahahahahahahhaaa
The new Hybrid-Davidson!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
All the weight and even less power!
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I know that when I'm riding in a group of more than 3 no-one can hear my stock B12, which can be dangerous if I'm trying to pass someone. One of the other guys had a ZX12 and had the same problem, until he put on an aftermarket end can
Mick, the problem isn't that your bike is too quiet, it's your squidly riding buddies aren't bothering to look in the mirrors before they make a move!
(If you're talking about bikes you're passing not being able to hear you...)
As far as day glo colors, certain colors are more noticeable.
The bottom line is, it doesn't matter WHAT we do, some jerk will always turn in front of us, or pull out in front of us, and say 'I didn't see him."
I think there's a combination of 'that vehicle isn't big enough to hurt me', 'It's a bike, it can squirm around me', 'He's a dumbass to be riding a bike, and deserves whatever happens!' and people just driving with piss poor habits.
Just notice how many people never even bother to stop at stop signs, run red lights, don't use turn signals, tailgate, etc.
The bottom line is, most people can go a life time with bad driving habits, and really suffer no consequences. A minor accident involving two cars isn't a big deal. Nobody dies. If one of the vehicles is a bike, shite kind of magnifies. (And the perp usually still gets away with it...)
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As far as day glo colors, certain colors are more noticeable.
Why is it then I seem to have more problems with cage drivers when I was wearing 'brighter colours' (I gave up on the 'power ranger' look quite some time ago - doesn't work when you're 40, 178cm and wiegh 100kg,) than when I wear basic black. You know the 'bad ass biker' look - black leather jacket, black leather pants, black boots, black gloves, black helmet with a dark visor and my B12 is Black.
The answer is simple, I look more intimidating and scare the drivers, they automatically think I'm a Bandito/Comacharo/Rebel/Black Ulan etc and will therefore 'kill' them if they f&*k up - image is everything. I've actually had people who know me say "I knew you rode a bike, but I didn't realise it was that big and that you were an 'outlaw' - what does your Mrs think about it"
When it comes to keeping safe on the road I follow one simply philosophy:
"Treat every other road user with complete comtempt, as though their only purpose in life is to kill you"
I still maintain louder than stock pipes help you to be heard and therefore seen - hell the pricks can't hear much over the 'doof doof' music and the the mobile phone stuck to their ear.
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I think most all of us here have no objections to louder than stock exhaust... just object when it's carried too far. Making babies cry, setting off car alarms or an exhaust that rivals a Top Fuel dragster is too far.
I know I like my aftermarket can. I just don't consider it's presence a safety feature for the reasons I've already stated.
The most important safety feature sits on the shoulders of the rider - hopefully, protected with a helmet.
When it comes to keeping safe on the road I follow one simply philosophy:
"Treat every other road user with complete comtempt, as though their only purpose in life is to kill you"
That, right there, ^ ^ ^ ^ is THE[/u] philosophy to live by! :bigok: