Bandit Alley
GENERAL MOTORCYCLE FORUMS => GENERAL MOTORCYCLE => Topic started by: Desolation Angel on January 31, 2006, 09:33:00 PM
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I meet a guy in the morning to view this...
(http://images.traderonline.com/img/5/plcnad/4409584/81167740_1.jpg)
I wonder if he'll deal? :grin:
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Why is he selling such a new bike?
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I like it. :grin: It kinda looks like a mix between a standard and a crusier.
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Saw it. Rode it. Passed on it.
Very nice, low mileage, '01 R1200C.
Reminded me of my Lowrider (not a good thing). Funky handling, odd twisting during acceleration (shaft related maybe), slower than Christmas. The most familiar thing it did (speaking of my H-D days) was to vibrate more when you twist the throttle, get louder, but not much happens acceleration-wise.
D@mn Bandit has got me spoiled with it's power and speed. Now no cruiser is ever gonna feel right and probably no "R" series BMWs, either.
Simplifies bike shopping, though....lots less to look at.
Camera phone pic:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y297/DesolationAngels/65435472_202920057_01.jpg)
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I'm glad you passed. BMW has made some funky looking bikes, but their cruisers have to be near the top of the list for weird in my book.
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rode one once.
scrapped the floor boards......not a lot of zip compared to a B12
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Were you expecting it to be scary bad-ass like your bandit?
I guess bikes are like golf clubs and fishing poles, there's one for every occasion. The big curse about the bandit is that it does so many things so well that you could concieveably carry on your merry way without ever owning another bike (someone was just writing about a 300k+ bandit out there...). Not that there's anything wrong with that!
I bet there are things the r1200c does well (i.e. trips to starbucks, har).
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I guess I expected more out of a BMW 1200. God knows they're expensive enough to warrant some performance!
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I guess I expected more out of a BMW 1200. God knows they're expensive enough to warrant some performance!
Right on. I test rode one on two occations, and all I could think about is "Why the hell would they de-tune such a big engine on bike ($$) like that?"
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As I see it, most to all of the Beemers are overweight and/or underpowered.
I invite all who post here to state which of them beat the Bandit's power to weight ratio.
Reliability isn't an issue. It makes me ashamed of my Big Three auto.
If you consider even modest tweaks to the Bandit engine, the above contest becomes even more bleak for the beemers.
(dam near bought one twice)
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Wouldn't the new K1200, in line 4, come close??????
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Wouldn't the new K1200, in line 4, come close??????
Yeah, buddy! But the price....
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Price is huge. I like the adventure tourer GS model but are you really going to take a $20k bike off road? For the money you can have a nice Bandit and get a cool dual sport like the new KTMs or Huskies.
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I invite all who post here to state which of them beat the Bandit's power to weight ratio.
Out of curiosity, found this in a quick search:
-power/weight ratio of R1100S is = 0.428 hp/kg
-power/weight ratio of Bandit 1200 is = 0.4579 HP/kg
That's actually closer than I was expecting....
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I recall reading somewhere a long time ago that torque is an indication of acceleration and horsepower determines top speed (along with all the other variables involved). Therefore, would comparing torque/weight ratios give a better comparison?
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having owned a recent vintage r1100s, the rwhp is closer to 90 due to the losses in the shaft drive.
To be fair to everyone the .428 is gross hp and dry weight. Realistically it is about .389 hp/kg
Torque on that big opposed twin is unlike any bike I have owned or ridden.
The bandits have it all over the bimmer twins when it comes to power to weight ratio.
Just found this site, thanks for the post.
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hey, no offense to anyone, but that is the ugliest, behemouth piece of crap I have seen in recent memory. :shock:
I was at the Plano Ducati/BMW dealer this week to look at the new Classic 1000 Duc, I just don't understand the attraction to BMW bikes. Now, an old boxer RT twin I get, but the new flashy, overstyled crap makes me wonder who is running the design department-probably some car guy.
The 1150RT for a sport tourer is about my limit, but what the hell do I know anyway. After all I owned a TL1000S and liked it. :lol:
Ride On, Ed.
2005 GSF1200SZ
1983 GS750ED
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I recall reading somewhere a long time ago that torque is an indication of acceleration and horsepower determines top speed (along with all the other variables involved). Therefore, would comparing torque/weight ratios give a better comparison?
Think of it the simple way: Torque gets it going- HP keeps it going.
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hey, no offense to anyone, but that is the ugliest, behemouth piece of crap I have seen in recent memory. :shock:
...I owned a TL1000S and liked it. :lol:
yeah, to each their own. I remember not quite knowing what to think when I first saw the R1100S. The first time I rode one I still couldn't get it. Time passed and I started learning to ride more aggressively, test rode one again, and then I understood why people like it so much.
I've always liked the TL1000's too, although I've never had a chance to ride one. There was a set of TL forks on ebay last week (which were apparently slightly bent, according to the ad), which I passed on. But I'd eventually like to find a decent a set to put on the bandit!
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hey, no offense to anyone, but that is the ugliest, behemouth piece of crap I have seen in recent memory. :shock:
...I owned a TL1000S and liked it. :lol:
yeah, to each their own. I remember not quite knowing what to think when I first saw the R1100S. The first time I rode one I still couldn't get it. Time passed and I started learning to ride more aggressively, test rode one again, and then I understood why people like it so much.
I've always liked the TL1000's too, although I've never had a chance to ride one. There was a set of TL forks on ebay last week (which were apparently slightly bent, according to the ad), which I passed on. But I'd eventually like to find a decent a set to put on the bandit!
Theres a guy on wnysportriders.org named ged that rides a beemer adventure tourer. That man can outrun most everyone around in the twisties. With the right amount of skill ANY BIKE can kick ass. Hell I beat a kid on a GSXR-750 with a Yamaha Road Star Warrior. :motorsmile:
EDIT:: I still need new pegs to make up for that ride.
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hey, no offense to anyone, but that is the ugliest, behemouth piece of crap I have seen in recent memory. :shock:
...I owned a TL1000S and liked it. :lol:
yeah, to each their own. I remember not quite knowing what to think when I first saw the R1100S. The first time I rode one I still couldn't get it. Time passed and I started learning to ride more aggressively, test rode one again, and then I understood why people like it so much.
I've always liked the TL1000's too, although I've never had a chance to ride one. There was a set of TL forks on ebay last week (which were apparently slightly bent, according to the ad), which I passed on. But I'd eventually like to find a decent a set to put on the bandit!
TL forks are gonna be way too short. You will need a step down triple or equivelent to make up the lost ground clearance. Mid 90's GSXR1100 forks are probably your best bet.
I recently did a front swap on my '83 GS750ED- went with a '93 Katana 750 setup. The Katana forks are a full 1.5 in shorted and that is not the inverted stuff. http://groups.msn.com/SuzukiGSGarage/gs750edbacktolife.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=4323
What helped me was going from 16in front to 17in. That greatly helped offset the clearance difference
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hey, no offense to anyone, but that is the ugliest, behemouth piece of crap I have seen in recent memory. :shock:
...I owned a TL1000S and liked it. :lol:
yeah, to each their own. I remember not quite knowing what to think when I first saw the R1100S. The first time I rode one I still couldn't get it. Time passed and I started learning to ride more aggressively, test rode one again, and then I understood why people like it so much.
I've always liked the TL1000's too, although I've never had a chance to ride one. There was a set of TL forks on ebay last week (which were apparently slightly bent, according to the ad), which I passed on. But I'd eventually like to find a decent a set to put on the bandit!
Theres a guy on wnysportriders.org named ged that rides a beemer adventure tourer. That man can outrun most everyone around in the twisties. With the right amount of skill ANY BIKE can kick ass. Hell I beat a kid on a GSXR-750 with a Yamaha Road Star Warrior. :motorsmile:
EDIT:: I still need new pegs to make up for that ride.
Agreed, read my quote at the bottom of my post. Richthofen did not always have the best equiptment, he was the best by being able to exploit his strengths and his enemy's weakness'
Now, that said, you cannot convince me that anyone on the underpowered, behemoth, 600 lb, 60in wheelbase bike in question is gonna outrun an average rider on a 600/750cc sport bike in the twisties.
Ain't gonna happen. Period