Author Topic: Motorcyclist Comparo Bandit to K1200R Sport (Read 6715 times)

LowRyter · « **Reply #15 on:** June 15, 2007, 10:51:53 PM »

right on that one. when I bought my B12 it seemed like it was set up like a dirt bike.

Just lower than a little and they are a little closer back too.

I have a set of gold Renthalls. A little wider & a little more back than stock. Being wider that catch a little more ait, good leverage tho. They good too.

1998 Red B12
57 k miles

Quote from: "pmackie"

And remember, before you change handlebars (if the stock ones do actually bother you) try rotating the bars forward and bachwards first. This really changes the angle of your wrists and you may find that a simple change is all that is required.

Also remember to adjust the levers so that they are in line with your arms, so that your fingers don't need to reach "up" or "down" in your normal riding position.

71rt · « **Reply #16 on:** June 16, 2007, 10:10:59 PM »

And then the BMW crowd has a different opinion of the test. It must come from justifying spending $7K more than the Bandit 1250.

http://www.i-bmw.com/showthread.php?t=8707

leedogg · « **Reply #17 on:** June 17, 2007, 01:19:08 AM »

Well never driven a BMW bike- I would see it as their cars...high dollar but the much cheaper car would do everything as good but cheaper. The new GTO comes to mind...and they bashed the GTO too(BMW fans that is). I am more than satisfied with my bike- I don't want or need all the gadgetry that is gonna fail one day.

Red01 · « **Reply #18 on:** June 17, 2007, 10:44:45 AM »

Quote from: "71rt"

And then the BMW crowd has a different opinion of the test. It must come from justifying spending $7K more than the Bandit 1250.

http://www.i-bmw.com/showthread.php?t=8707

That right there was funny! Maybe it's not so much that the addition of a fairing to their beloved K1200R made the bike suck, but that the new 1250 Bandit really is a good bike.

This comment REALLY cracked me up:

Quote from: "sledzep01"

cant get heated grips...

Yeah, I'm gonna spend almost double for the K12 over the B12.5 just so I can spend another $235 MORE to get optional heated grips.

Or you can buy whatever bike you want and install your own heated grips for $30 - $80 depending on if you want a 2-position switch or a variable controller.

Hmmm...

drewpy_dawg · « **Reply #19 on:** June 17, 2007, 06:17:32 PM »

And the quickest way to have your nice BMW dealership try to void part of your BMW motorcycle's warranty is to not install THEIR doo-dads....

Red01 · « **Reply #20 on:** June 18, 2007, 12:02:50 PM »

...not in the USA. If they give you any crap, just mention the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.

drewpy_dawg · « **Reply #21 on:** June 18, 2007, 12:05:44 PM »

From what I've heard...especially with electricals, BMW scoffs at that act...you can fight it of course and have that act on your side but it stops being worth fighting after a while which is is how BMW still prevails.

Red01 · « **Reply #22 on:** June 18, 2007, 12:11:49 PM »

You're right on it being a hassle to fight them over it, but the burden of proof your mods caused the problem you're claiming warranty on relies on them.
If they're really that anal, and I'll take your word since I have no experience, I guess it's just another reason not to buy one.

SteelD · « **Reply #23 on:** June 27, 2007, 04:25:34 PM »

Quote from: "drewpy_dawg"

From what I've heard...especially with electricals, BMW scoffs at that act...you can fight it of course and have that act on your side but it stops being worth fighting after a while which is is how BMW still prevails.

The reason is their high tech CanBus system which can easily be upset if you install non-approved accessories. That's why the BMW forums are awash with posts of what add-ons need what ballast resistors and so on to make the electronics think that nothing has gone wrong. With the CanBus system, if a circuit detects a higher or lower current draw than what it expects, it has 'intelligence' that says that there must be a problem and it shuts down that part of the circuit. So, it's too clever for its own good which is why BMW get a bit off-hand if you install something non-BMW and then go back and complain that something else has stopped working and want it fixed under warranty.

mademiriam · « **Reply #24 on:** June 27, 2007, 04:46:38 PM »

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How does one compare, objectively, an air-cooled dinosaur and state of the art wizardry.

thats my favorite quote off that BMW forum. Maybe we should all just face it, and get the bike we want (can afford) and realize that in reality we can never really compare things.
Clearly the new 1250 is neither air cooled OR a dinosaur.
Buying a bike for the heated grips is like buying a car because it has one more cup holder.

i love the bandits anyway

SteelD · « **Reply #25 on:** June 27, 2007, 05:38:35 PM »

Quote from: "mademiriam"

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How does one compare, objectively, an air-cooled dinosaur and state of the art wizardry.

thats my favorite quote off that BMW forum.

Is that a comparison of the air/oil cooled boxer twin with a state-of-the-art watercooled in-line four from Suzuki?

Nitro · « **Reply #26 on:** June 27, 2007, 07:38:40 PM »

The K1200R that was tested is not air cooled. It's a transverse inline four cylinder that leans the cylinders forward about 45 degrees or so. I believe it was a new engine last year or the year before. It's not the inline four that was laid on it's side like the older K bikes.

SteelD · « **Reply #27 on:** June 28, 2007, 09:53:12 AM »

Sorry, my fault. I was being a little facetious by suggesting that BMW also have 'old' air/cooled designs in their range.

So, in that article, what were they referring to as an 'air-cooled dinosaur' 'cos that's definitely what the B1250 isn't. Maybe they didn't see that through their rose-tinted spectacles.

ZenMan · « **Reply #28 on:** June 28, 2007, 10:44:17 AM »

Quote from: "SteelD"

So, in that article, what were they referring to as an 'air-cooled dinosaur' 'cos that's definitely what the B1250 isn't. Maybe they didn't see that through their rose-tinted spectacles.

More likely their noses were in the way.

Nitro · « **Reply #29 on:** June 28, 2007, 08:04:31 PM »

No offense taken. I sort of like the R series Beemers. One of the newer ones makes 109 HP, and the torque is probably around Bandit range too. Of course, you could probably buy two Bandits instead of one Beemer.