Bandit Alley
GENERAL MOTORCYCLE FORUMS => GENERAL MOTORCYCLE => Topic started by: sdkoskey on February 26, 2007, 11:52:02 AM
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Hi all. New guy here. I just wanted to give a quick intro. I just sold my Kawasaki ZZR1200 this past weekend. I've been a Kawasaki guy all of the 4 years I've been riding but I'm not one of those people who stick with one brand of bike. I get what I like. I've got a growing list of bikes I'm looking at to replace the ZZR. That list includes the new Bandit 1250 ABS, an 06 Sprint ST (Sunset red), 05 Hayabusa LE (I love that charcoal paint), FZ1, ST3 and a ZX12r (again. I had an 03 2 years ago).
I'm so fickle! :lol: My wife just laughs at me because I just don't know for sure what I want.
BUT... insurance may be the biggest deciding factor. The 'busa, ZX12 and FZ1 will all probably be dropped just because of insurance rates. I'm 40 years old and the 'busa and ZX12 would each cost me about $800/year. The FZ1 has been quoted at $500. The rest would all cost me around $300. That's full coverage.
I've seen a lot of other threads where people are bashing the Bandit or talking up the 'busa. I've also done a ton of research on every one of the bikes I've listed. I've ridden most of them too.
This is a very interesting community here! I'm probably going to end up getting the Bandit though. I don't need huge horsepower or high speeds. When I had my ZX12 and ZZR, I never got either of them over 135. The ZX12 is capable of 186+ and the ZZR will do 175. I just don't ride like that. I want more comfort and a lighter bike. If I have to sacrifice horsepower, so be it.
Sorry to ramble on but sometimes putting thoughts to words helps gain perspective and you guys/gals just got the benefit of my mental ramblings. :bigok: I'll be watching this site for more info and insights from those that buy the new Bandit when it becomes available.
Ride on!
Scott
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Welcome Scott. I'm interested in a lot of the bikes you are as well, but in the end, the little Bandit is easy to work on, solid as a rock, fast enough for me, with a ton of options to slowly fix it up without spending a bundle. :beers:
I'm also curious about the new Bandits.
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Just remember buy what you aspire to and not what you would settle for because 40 is the last part of middle age where your feel you can still do just about anything and for the most part if your in shape thats true. So whatever you decide to buy make sure it what you really want because it will probubly be the last really exciting bike you buy before your ready for a twin.
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I will be 60 this year, and I have every intention of slowing down before I reach 70 :motorsmile:
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because it will probubly be the last really exciting bike you buy before your ready for a twin.
What's wrong with twins?
(of the motorcycle variety)
Even V-twins don't have to be boring...
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Thats the attitude to have. Living in a retired community at 49 I have noticed the bikers here are in 3 categories. Those that feel inspired and ride regardless of age and ailment. Those that are fearful all the time and ride twice a year around the block. Those that allow themselves to fall apart on the sofa and cant ride. One thing for sure there's only a limited time left, so ride and celibate Gods creation on two-wheels while you can.
I will be 60 this year, and I have every intention of slowing down before I reach 70 :motorsmile:
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Nothing at all. But with respect to 4-cylinder-500 pound bikes, at some point in my life (65-75) I will do myself a favor and get something much lighter, narrower and flickable. Perhaps a better version of what you posted by that time.
What's wrong with twins?
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Just remember buy what you aspire to and not what you would settle for because 40 is the last part of middle age where your feel you can still do just about anything and for the most part if your in shape thats true. So whatever you decide to buy make sure it what you really want because it will probubly be the last really exciting bike you buy before your ready for a twin.
That's actually kinda funny to me. I can't ever see myself on the "twin" that I think you're talking about. The only twin I see myself getting is an ST3. I had a friend in Colorado that has a Harley. I rode it and it won't ever happen again. My brother owns a Honda Magna. I rode that too and don't think I'll ever own one like that either.
The Bandit would in no way be something I'm "settling for" any more than any of the other bikes on the list. They've all got their positives and negatives. Heck, I've even put together a document listing each bike I'm considering with specs, positives and negatives for each one.
This decision is in way a something I'm taking lightly. I've been thinking this over for a long time now. Besides, my decision still isn't final. Right now, I'm just waiting to see the new Bandit before I go any further.
I will be 60 this year, and I have every intention of slowing down before I reach 70
AMEN! :clap:
But with respect to 4-cylinder-500 pound bikes, at some point in my life (65-75) I will do myself a favor and get something much lighter, narrower and flickable. Perhaps a better version of what you posted by that time.
I don't honestly consider 500lbs. to be very heavy at all for a motorcycle. My Concours was over 600 before I even sat on it. From the research I've done, I can't seem to find a bike that weighs in the lower 400s, has decent power, comfortable riding position and has a price tag/insurance costs I'm willing to pay. The closest I've found is the ST3 and it weighs 443lbs dry. Upgrade the exhaust on the Bandit and you're down to around 485 already. Yep, that 40lbs makes a big difference but again, I'm not looking for high performance. I'm honestly really surprised at all the Bandit owners that expect a lot of performance out of this bike.
Now getting the Bandit and improving it to get more performance... that's gonna be fun. :beers:
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Well whatever you decide to purchase as the Yiddish say "Mazeltov", wear it in good health...(http://www.provoscooter.com/vbull/images/smilies/smokin.gif)
Just remember buy what you aspire to and not what you would settle for because 40 is the last part of middle age where your feel you can still do just about anything and for the most part if your in shape thats true. So whatever you decide to buy make sure it what you really want because it will probubly be the last really exciting bike you buy before your ready for a twin.
That's actually kinda funny to me. I can't ever see myself on the "twin" that I think you're talking about. The only twin I see myself getting is an ST3. I had a friend in Colorado that has a Harley. I rode it and it won't ever happen again. My brother owns a Honda Magna. I rode that too and don't think I'll ever own one like that either.
The Bandit would in no way be something I'm "settling for" any more than any of the other bikes on the list. They've all got their positives and negatives. Heck, I've even put together a document listing each bike I'm considering with specs, positives and negatives for each one.
This decision is in way a something I'm taking lightly. I've been thinking this over for a long time now. Besides, my decision still isn't final. Right now, I'm just waiting to see the new Bandit before I go any further.
I will be 60 this year, and I have every intention of slowing down before I reach 70
AMEN! :clap:
But with respect to 4-cylinder-500 pound bikes, at some point in my life (65-75) I will do myself a favor and get something much lighter, narrower and flickable. Perhaps a better version of what you posted by that time.
I don't honestly consider 500lbs. to be very heavy at all for a motorcycle. My Concours was over 600 before I even sat on it. From the research I've done, I can't seem to find a bike that weighs in the lower 400s, has decent power, comfortable riding position and has a price tag/insurance costs I'm willing to pay. The closest I've found is the ST3 and it weighs 443lbs dry. Upgrade the exhaust on the Bandit and you're down to around 485 already. Yep, that 40lbs makes a big difference but again, I'm not looking for high performance. I'm honestly really surprised at all the Bandit owners that expect a lot of performance out of this bike.
Now getting the Bandit and improving it to get more performance... that's gonna be fun. :beers:
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SDKOSKEY...
First off, welcome to the board. :beers:
I have a '07 B1250 on order. The arrival date keeps getting pushed back, now I'm told 1st week of March. We'll see! :roll:
I chose the new Bandit for a lot of the same reasons you've stated, with insurance premiums being one of the biggest factors. OTD price of $7749 doesn't hurt either. :wink:
The other biggest factors were the water-cooling and fuel injection. EFI sorta spoils ya, and the W/C gives the engine longer between overhauls. If you plan on keeping a bike for 5 or 10 years, that's a big consideration.
When you've owned as many big-bore 4-inline muscle bikes as I have they get in your blood. I'm an old Kawi guy too, I can't count how many Z1 and KZ 900's, 1000's, and 1100's I've had, plus GPZ's, a Z1R and even a KZ1300 6-banger for a while there. Not to mention a couple H1's and H2 triple strokers... :grin:
You know what I'm talkin' about, whether it's 4 years or 40, once you've had a few big 4's you're hooked. All the Bandit 1200 models fit that category, including the 1250. There's not going to be a huge difference between any 900cc up to 1300cc inline-4 family of bikes, they're all around 100 HP and up, they're all gonna be within 50 pounds of 500 either way more or less, and they're all easily tweakable, moldable, and modified to fit your own taste and style.
One thing that excites me a lot about the B1250 is the torque it's been reported to have, at such low revs... 85 ft.-lbs. at 3700rpm? That's insane! I can't wait to see what happens when I do a snap roll-on at 70mph in 5th gear... you can bet I'll have my balls up by the filler cap when I do it! :banana:
And I'm with ya on the top speed thing... how often will I go over 150mph these days, in my 50's... but then again, the B1250 is no slouch there either. With the extra 6th gear, the theoretical top speed at 9500rpm redline is 186mph... which means probably about 165-170mph in reality. Not too shabby.
Like you, I did my research on what's available for the 2007 model year... and in my opinion, the B1250 is the most motorcycle for the money out there, with the lowest insurance premiums available in a bike with this kind of performance. And it fits my style like a glove... a classic, big-bore 4-inline muscle bike in every sense of the word.
Whatever you decide on I know it'll be the right choice for YOU... and if I get my bike before then and I can help you with any info you need just ask. That goes for everyone else here too... :bigok:
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With the extra 6th gear, the theoretical top speed at 9500rpm redline is 186mph... which means probably about 165-170mph in reality. Not too shabby. :bigok:
I can't wait to see the new bike as well!
But the end ratio is very close to what the current B12 has with 5 gears and they won't do 150. They won't even pull into the redline in top gear stock or mildly modified.
Mine will only do 155 (170 indicated) with 1216cc, ported head, cam, full exhaust and I have a hell of lot more power than stock. Either way top speed doesn't matter to me after 2nd gear (100 mph). But then my buddy laughs at me cause his R1 will do damn near do 100 in first. :roll:
One thing that excites me a lot about the B1250 is the torque it's been reported to have, at such low revs... 85 ft.-lbs. at 3700rpm? That's insane! I can't wait to see what happens when I do a snap roll-on at 70mph in 5th gear..
I miss that about mine. When the airbox is removed it loses the instantaneous response in top gear in the lower mid.
Getting back on subject :banana:
I sat on one in Chicago at the show. Did they lower them? It seemed much lower front and back.
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But the end ratio is very close to what the current B12 has with 5 gears and they won't do 150.
Actually. the 1200 and 1250 have nearly the same ratios in the first 5 gears, according to this chart from the Moto-Station test. So in comparison to the 1200, the 1250 makes the same top speed in 5th gear... before shifting into 6th.
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Click here for Moto-Station test of the B1250 ABS and the Honda CBF1000 ABS (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.moto-station.com/article2307-suzuki-gsf-1250-bandit-vs-honda-cbf-1000-toujours-pas-has-been-.html&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=3&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DSuzuki%2BGSF%2B1250%2BBandit%26hl%3Den%26rls%3DSUNA,SUNA:2006-09,SUNA:en)
So the 6th gear is actually an overdrive.
With the added torque it may have enough power to get close to redline in 6th... but then maybe not. At any rate, cruising in 6th oughta be a real fuel saver.
I guess I'll have to wait till I get it broke in and see for myself. But like we seem to agree, 150mph is plenty enough for street riding, and I'm not going to be a bit disappointed if that's as fast as she goes... not a bit! :bigok:
You say it felt lower when you sat on it? I wonder if the seat was adjusted to the low position. I do know the frame is slightly shorter than the '06, with a bit longer swingarm, too. But I haven't ridden an '06. I have ridden an '05, and I was impressed. I probably would have bought it (demo w/48 miles) but they wouldn't sell it to me much cheaper than I got a new '07 for.
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It seems I see allot of 2nd gen B12's going up for sale younger boomer's move up to a Busa or something larger mostly for their "last horah!" As a result I have seen alot of sweet deals come and go lately with full mods included. So if you would rather be wise guy, leverage only 3-4K in cash coupled with a little patience and research, and you will find a hell of a deal on a B12 and take the 5K saved from the covet mill to the bank.
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Uh, I believe we're talking about shopping the '07 models here, not buying a used bike. Obviously used bikes are cheaper, if that's what you want. :roll:
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I would suggest you give the Sprint a ride and maybe the Tiger 1050. I rode both and preferred the Tiget to the Sprint and my Bandit. Love that motor and the radial brakes are amazing. I also found my local Truimph dealer provides an experience you will not get in a Japanese dealer, that's a good thing.
On another note living in Dallas kills any chance of cheap insurance if I want full coverage. I am 43, clean record, riding for 20 years and with Progressive for 4 years. Full coverage on a 1250 with a 1000.00 deductible is 629.00 a year.
On the bright side a FZ-1 and Tiger 1050 are only 150.00 more a year for the same coverage, yea I think.
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I will be 60 this year, and I have every intention of slowing down before I reach 70 :motorsmile:
Shucks, what's age got to do with it? There's a young fella in my riding club (Southern Cruisers - West Central FL) named Ray who just turned 87 and he puts more smiles on his bike every year than the rest of us. I'm a young fella too - not quite 70 yet, so I call Ray "Pop".
I love my '99 Bandit, but am beginning to feel the need for more power lately, so I stopped in at PowerSports on SR 41 in Tampa and put my name on the list for a test ride on the new 1250. I always thought that fuel injection was one of the missing ingredient on Bandits, although those Mikunis did just fine for me.
Been riding since 1958, when I bought a Parilla 175 at Ghost Motorcycles on Long Island and shipped it to Biloxi AF Base. Had some great times on that little bike in Mississippi, but never figured I'd ever end up owning a bike as good as the Bandit 1200!
I think the best is yet to come, though. Can't wait to get my hands on the 1250.
Herb
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I don't honestly consider 500lbs. to be very heavy at all for a motorcycle. My Concours was over 600 before I even sat on it. From the research I've done, I can't seem to find a bike that weighs in the lower 400s, has decent power, comfortable riding position and has a price tag/insurance costs I'm willing to pay. The closest I've found is the ST3 and it weighs 443lbs dry. Upgrade the exhaust on the Bandit and you're down to around 485 already. Yep, that 40lbs makes a big difference but again, I'm not looking for high performance. I'm honestly really surprised at all the Bandit owners that expect a lot of performance out of this bike.
Now getting the Bandit and improving it to get more performance... that's gonna be fun. :beers:[/quote]
Sensible Man! The Dyno says I'm getting 111.4 RWHP out of my '99 Bandit my making just a few changes like adding a Yoshimura RS-3 can, pulling the snorkel out of the airbox, and shimming the needles up a tad.
The rear shock is set to max, and the brakes are helped by SS lines. The wheels wear Metzler ME-Z4's meats (sweet!). The new "X"-ring chain gave a definite boost in power, and the bike is far easier to control since I put on a GS-1150 handlebar.
I have no idea what the top end is now, and I don't care to find out, although I once got up over 135, and accelerating hard, on I-75 by accident. I was too intent on getting away from a knot of 4-wheelers to notice what the speedo was saying. Don't know who was more surprised - the 4-wheelers or me. But since then, I've had fun blowing off all kinds of cars at the "red-light grands prix", including a few Corvettes (easy!). Amazing how fast cars shrink in those rear-views.
Yep, the 1200 Bandit is all I need, but not all I want. Can't wait to try out the 1250.
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All I can say is, when I hit that kind of age, I hope to be having half as much fun as some of you guys are.
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06 BLACK AIRCOOLED MILL FOREVER!!! DIE YOU 07 DOGS!!!
Oh....oh. sorry. That was my evil other self talking. Whatever turns yer crank.
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06 BLACK AIRCOOLED MILL FOREVER!!! DIE YOU 07 DOGS!!!
Oh....oh. sorry. That was my evil other self talking. Whatever turns yer crank.
:lol: :lol: :lol: He he!
Hey, don't worry, there'll always be a place for you ol' cave-bike riders... :stickpoke: :banana: :bigok: :beers:
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Just remember buy what you aspire to and not what you would settle for because 40 is the last part of middle age where your feel you can still do just about anything and for the most part if your in shape thats true. So whatever you decide to buy make sure it what you really want because it will probubly be the last really exciting bike you buy before your ready for a twin.
First off,welcome aboard!
Hey, I resemble that remark. I picked up a 03 SV1000.I wanted to try something lighter that I should be able to carve the corners better just to see how I'd do on it. But I'm still keeping the Bandit too. Since I bought the SV at the beginning of the winter,I havn't had a chance to ride since I picked it up. We had a nice day about a week ago,but worked all day. I figured 1000cc V-Twin would be a tourqe monster(they refer to it as that on the SV site) but after being used to the Bandit,espcially a modified Bandit, it seemed to have less the the Big Bad Bandit.The Bandit may still be my comuting bike(hoping for nice weather next week!,and as long as my tools are on the job)just because of the comfortable riding position. And thats even with the rear sets mounted. A SV owner told me that after I get used to the SV I probably won't want to ride the Bandit much. Time will tell, but I find that hard to believe.(I'm still a youngster,I'm only in the bottom inning of 50yrs.)
What ever you choose,you found a good site. A bunch of good people here, very helpfull,and friendly. :beers: Dan
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I am glad to see folks getting excited about the new 1250. I read an article, a few weeks ago, about Suzuki's target market for the Bandit 1200. 35-45 year old males looking for affordable speed in a standard set up. I have almost purchased 2 different B12's in the last couple of months but keep holding out for the 1250. I am 44 and not as light as I used to be. I ride a GL 1800 and it is fine for the long haul but not as light and nimble as a standard capable of insane speed. I really like the Bandit line. They are what the Honda nighthawks used to be. Comfortable, simple, fun. The Bandit has always been more capable than the Nighthawk but the idea is the same. As we age, comfort is an all important consideration. 15 minutes on my 50 year old friends CBR 954 had my wrists in some serious pain. So the true sport bikes are out for me. Done the cruiser thing with two different Valkyries. The slouch riding position does nothng for me. My big yellow Goldwing is comfortable and has a killer stereo (not stock), cruise control, and tons of storage. Still...riding the back roads of east Texas would be really great on a smaller bike capable of ripping out of curves and doing 100+ in the straights. So I am waiting for the 1250's to arrive. It should be a hoot! :taz:
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Tx RN, welcome to the board! :welcome:
The first B1250 shipment has arrived, at least here in Missouri... Click here:
http://forums.banditalley.net/viewtopic.php?t=8546
I know there's one sitting down at Drinnon's Cycle in West Plains, MO. right now... unless Katamaniac grabbed it already! :bandit: