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Offline ZenMan

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« Reply #75 on: January 27, 2007, 12:40:25 PM »
Thanks, Red.  :thanks:

It's not even a dyno test result, just an estimate. I don't know how anybody could say that makes it "official", but it seems that CWO is more interested in spinning a negative slant on the 1250 than being accurate and objective...  :roll:

Interesting read with the translation... I noticed they included an explanation for the dyno test you posted:
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"One can easily note here that the Gangster 1200 posts a power higher than that of the 1250 Cm3 in spite of the figures indicated by the manufacturer (even power). That is explained by the fact why the motor bike of Renato, our guide, had 6000 km with the meter and the model 2007 only 500 km. More interesting to note, the linearity of the curve of power of the 1.250, and all the rise in mode shifted of approximately 500 rpm compared to that of the 1200. But it is of course the curve of couple which makes the largest difference. The 1250 already reached 11 daN.m with only 3.200 rpm, whereas the 1200 are well also remains with 8,9 daN.m. Notez how the curve of couple of the 1250 remains stable around its maximum value on a beach going of 3.200 tr/min with practically 8.000 tr/min. Incredible, that points out almost the other large engine to us of the mark, that of the GSX-R 1300 Hayabusa 1300."

So the 1250 in the test only had 310 miles on it... not even broke in yet!

They also posted 98 hp for the Honda CBF as well as the old 1200... looks like they all get the same "rating" from the factory, probably for insurance purposes.  :roll:

Good review, the "Gangster" comes out on top in most categories, especially the speed and power. And in comparison to the 1200, the 1250 makes the same top speed in 5th gear... before shifting into 6th!  :bigok:



Kilometers______ Miles
 
90.00................. 55.92
100.00 .............. 62.14
110.00............... 68.35
120.00............... 74.56
130.00............... 80.78
140.00............... 86.99
150.00............... 93.21
160.00............... 99.42
170.00............... 105.63
180.00............... 111.85
190.00............... 118.06
200.00............... 124.27
210.00............... 130.49
220.00............... 136.70
230.00............... 142.92
240.00............... 149.13
250.00............... 155.34
260.00............... 161.56
270.00............... 167.77 (1200)
280.00............... 173.98
290.00............... 180.20 (1250)
300.00............... 186.41
 

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Offline Red01

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« Reply #76 on: January 27, 2007, 02:16:36 PM »
Quote from: "ZenMan"
They also posted 98 hp for the Honda CBF as well as the old 1200... looks like they all get the same "rating" from the factory, probably for insurance purposes.  :roll:


Perhaps... but I think it probably has more to do with France having a horsepower limit... heck, the French even rate the GSXR100 at only 106!

Regardless, it'll be nice to see some reviews in a US or UK magazine.
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« Reply #77 on: January 27, 2007, 10:12:24 PM »
Quote from: "ZenMan"
I was wondering how much have you worked with digital fuel injection?:bigok:


I have worked with the ZX12 and Busa.
In my opinion digital fuel injection is perfect from 0 to top rpm, were as carbs are hard to get right excelp at a few points in the rpm range. With the power commanders you can create custom maps to give the engine the fuel it needs at all rpms.
I don't believe Suzuki would have went backwards with this 1250 engine, and they coldn't make the old GSXR water cooled engine big enough without redesigning it. I would like to get my hands on a shop manual just to see the specs.
Anybody can buy a Busa or ZX14 and be fast, and good for them if that is what they want to do, I like to buy a bike like the Bandit or ZRX 12, and make it fast. :motorsmile:
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« Reply #78 on: January 27, 2007, 11:43:47 PM »
Quote from: "BHolland"
Quote from: "ZenMan"
I was wondering how much have you worked with digital fuel injection?:bigok:

I have worked with the ZX12 and Busa.
In my opinion digital fuel injection is perfect from 0 to top rpm, were as carbs are hard to get right excelp at a few points in the rpm range. With the power commanders you can create custom maps to give the engine the fuel it needs at all rpms.

I've been a big fan of digital fuel injection since my old '82 GPZ1100. They didn't have the programmable technology back then like they do now, but just replacing the "chip" was the simple and effective way to boost performance.

There is no Power Commander available for the new 1250 yet that I know of. I've been looking at some universal modules such as the Nikko analog for Suzukis: http://www.metisse.de/index.php?id=117&L=1
 
and also the Teka SFI:
http://www.exoticsportbike.com/teka.htm

Have any experience with either of those?

Quote from: "BHolland"
[I don't believe Suzuki would have went backwards with this 1250 engine, and they coldn't make the old GSXR water cooled engine big enough without redesigning it. I would like to get my hands on a shop manual just to see the specs.

I agree. There has to be a huge amount of potential in the new engine, just waiting to be tweaked out. The Euro 3 restrictions must have it choked down pretty good, and I'm anticipating significant HP gains with just a new can and some computer tweaking.
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[Anybody can buy a Busa or ZX14 and be fast, and good for them if that is what they want to do, I like to buy a bike like the Bandit or ZRX 12, and make it fast. :motorsmile:

I'm with ya there.  :bigok:
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« Reply #79 on: February 10, 2007, 03:49:54 PM »
Zenman,

Do you have your new 1250?

Over here we have the first versions available for testrides.
The first results I know of are:

1200-2005....vs.......1250-2007

112 DIN-HP/8900.........107 DIN-HP/8800
101 Nm/6300........115 Nm/3500

accelleration(kmh)
-100 = 3,3 s...........3,4 s
-140 = 5,7 s...........5,8 s
-200 = 12,2...........14,2 s  

roll-on(kmh)
60-100= 4,3 s.........3,8 s  
100-140=4,2 s.........4,1 s  
140-180=5,5 s.........5,9 s  

They do support the "tourer" image that the new bandit has.

Are there any other numbers available already?
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« Reply #80 on: February 10, 2007, 05:46:13 PM »
Lmario

Nope, it hasn't arrived yet... but my dealer has it on the books. They are supposed to be getting one out of the first shipment arriving in the US, but I'm still waiting.

Interesting numbers you posted... is that from a magazine test? I wonder is that available on the web and if so, do you have a link?

Thanks...  :wink:
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« Reply #81 on: February 11, 2007, 08:35:48 AM »
The numbers ar an actual comparison on a dyno that happened last week as far as I know.

No magazine articles, other than the ones I already posted.


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« Reply #82 on: February 11, 2007, 01:58:17 PM »
Just incase any one cares I found this link this morning?

click here: for motorcyclenews.com video of the new 1250
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« Reply #83 on: February 11, 2007, 03:05:39 PM »
Thanks Mongo.  :bigok:

February 7 2007  
New MCN: Feb 7  
By: Sarah Carnell  

"Check out the launch of the new Suzuki Bandit 1250 in this week’s MCN, available to buy from Wednesday, February, 2007.
   Senior Road Tester Trevor Franklin went to see what this new machine has to offer – and the verdict - this is still a classic."
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« Reply #84 on: February 11, 2007, 09:05:08 PM »
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Thanks Mongo.  :bigok:

February 7 2007  
New MCN: Feb 7  
By: Sarah Carnell  

"Check out the launch of the new Suzuki Bandit 1250 in this week’s MCN, available to buy from Wednesday, February, 2007.
   Senior Road Tester Trevor Franklin went to see what this new machine has to offer – and the verdict - this is still a classic."


That Mag will be easy to pick up if you live in the UK I wonder when we will get it in the states. I've got a local news stand that handles this rag I'll keep my eyes open! :beers:
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« Reply #85 on: February 28, 2007, 08:36:15 AM »
OK, here's te first aftermarket exhaust I know of for the 1250:



Looks awesome to me.

499 Euro at www.suzukiplus.de. (click on "news")
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« Reply #86 on: February 28, 2007, 09:37:26 AM »
Quote from: Lmario
OK, here's te first aftermarket exhaust I know of for the 1250:



Looks awesome to me.

499 Euro at www.suzukiplus.de. (click on "news")

I dont know looks like 1/2 of a Z-1000 stock exaust!!

« Last Edit: November 25, 2007, 12:07:25 PM by Red01 »
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« Reply #87 on: February 28, 2007, 01:58:51 PM »
Yep, the guys at suzukiplus make the exhaust themselves.
It's an existing exhaust for an GSX1400 that the modified for the 1250.

They also make this:


Their own handmade B-king, that they have been selling for over 2 years now.
(253 BHP... :shock: )
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