Bandit Alley
GENERAL MOTORCYCLE FORUMS => GENERAL MOTORCYCLE => Topic started by: LensWork on October 27, 2006, 07:58:34 PM
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For those interested, below are are few images of the new Bandits that were on display at Biketoberfest:
6-Speed Tranny!
(http://home.earthlink.net/~biketoberfest06/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/6_speed.jpg)
Instrument cluster. Note the digital speedo & 9,500 RPM redline
(http://home.earthlink.net/~biketoberfest06/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/instruments.jpg)
Close-up of new liquid cooled motor
(http://home.earthlink.net/~biketoberfest06/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/engine_l_2.jpg)
Rear view
(http://home.earthlink.net/~biketoberfest06/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/rear.jpg)
Close-up of muffler. The can is MASSIVE! The end cap is held on by allen head screws, which have small tack welds at their edges. Should be easy enough to grind off the welds to open up the can.
(http://home.earthlink.net/~biketoberfest06/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/muffler.jpg)
ABS brakes
(http://home.earthlink.net/~biketoberfest06/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/front_brake.jpg)
I have several more images. If you have a particular part of the new bike that you are interested in, let me know & I will post an image.
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Nice pics. This is my first post here so hello to all. I went from an 04 B12 to a cruiser and then to a ZX6R. With the exception of the vibes in the bars I think the B12 was the best of the three for my style of riding. I'm seriously thinking about trying the 07 next spring. With the FI, new counter balancer and 6 speeds it may be less buzzy on the highway. I liked the analog gauges on the 04 and am not a big fan of digital speedos but not a big deal. Do you have any images of the front showing the headlights and windscreen. I want to see if it still looks like a bug as my wife put it. Thanks.
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Here's a pic from another thread here. Not quite so buglike.
(http://www.moto-station.com/ttesimages/motodivers/nouveautes2007/Suzuki_GSF_Bandit_1250_S_2007_stpz.jpg)
It's a good looking bike - with the possible exception of the giganto-can.
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Do you have any images of the front showing the headlights and windscreen. I want to see if it still looks like a bug as my wife put it. Thanks.
(http://home.earthlink.net/~biketoberfest06/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/front.jpg)
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That looks good. I wonder if both lights are on for low beam or did they do the one light for dims and both for high beam. I think the stroms and SV's use both lights all the time. I'm going to be taking a close look at the B1250 (can we call it that) because it just might be exactly what I want. Thanks for the images.
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The top bulb is for low beam and the lower bulb is the high beam. Both bulbs are on when the high beam is on. There are also two 'running' lights in the top corners of the headlight assembly that are always on when the ignition is on. This is what the 06 is like and its essentially the same bike as the 07 except for the engine/tranny/fuel/cooling.
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As long as the lights are centered it should look ok. I really dislike the way you have one light on one side for low beam and then both for high beam on many sportbikes. If you run the low beam it looks like you have a headlight out. If you run high beams during the day you have two lights of different brightness. Just seems like a stupid design to me. :thanks:
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Am I looking at bare aluminum with that engine, or a silver/lite grey paint?
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Am I looking at bare aluminum with that engine, or a silver/lite grey paint?
I believe that it is painted light gray.
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Wow, love those detailed views! Still haven't warmed up to the robot face I see in the engine, but the new tail view looks really tight. I have to chuckle at that silly Bandit logo, which is now all over the digital dashboard.
Thanks, post a few more!
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Still haven't warmed up to the robot face I see in the engine
I didn't see the robot face at first. But looking back, it's a laugh riot! Thanks for the insight!
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Yeah, i think i like it way better now that i see the robot face.
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This is what the 06 is like and its essentially the same bike as the 07 except for the engine/tranny/fuel/cooling.
Am I the *only* one who keeps reading "tranny" as slang for "transsexual"? The '06 Bandit us the same except the '07 comes with a Tranny. Hmmm...I'd prefer the girl on the GSXR in the other thread, if I can choose which accessory I get.
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Wow, love those detailed views!
Thanks, post a few more!
Engine, Right Side
(http://home.earthlink.net/~biketoberfest06/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/engine_r.jpg)
Close-up of throttle body
(http://home.earthlink.net/~biketoberfest06/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/throttle_body_2.jpg)
Note the slightly higher handlebars (Apparently when the bike was assembled, the left side controls were installed too close to the center of the bars, leaving the end of the bar exposed when the grip was installed)
(http://home.earthlink.net/~biketoberfest06/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/instruments_2.jpg)
The '07's no longer wear Mac's. The tires on the display bikes were Dunlop D218F's
(http://home.earthlink.net/~biketoberfest06/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/d218f.jpg)
Rear Brake
(http://home.earthlink.net/~biketoberfest06/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/rear_brake.jpg)
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9500 red line? ehhh.....I thnk if I had lots of $$$ I'd look at the 'Busa or maybe that new beener K1200R Sport.
I guess I'll wait for the magazine road tests & Dale Waler's take on it. It looks nuetered. Maybe you can pop in a bigger tip on the muffler & boost it with Power Commander? Maybe it's hot stuff outta the box?
I waited for the FZ-1 and am glad I didn't throw down a lot of cash for it.
Why can't we get a GSX-R with handlebars?
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"Note the slightly higher handlebars (Apparently when the bike was assembled, the left side controls were installed too close to the center of the bars, leaving the end of the bar exposed when the grip was installed)"
Wow, nothing is more impressive than seeing a misassembled product. And next, here's our "slightly scraped Escape"...there was a bad day at the Ford factory....
In honor of the robot face engine, I'll say "domo arigato" for the pix.
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In honor of the robot face engine, I'll say "domo arigato" for the pix.
"doitashimashite"
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I wonder if LSL makes a handlebar conversion kit for the GSXR?? I have one on my GPZ. Perfect!
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Why can't we get a GSX-R with handlebars?
Glad to see that I wasn't the only one thinking that. :motorsmile:
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For those interested, below are are few images of the new Bandits that were on display at Biketoberfest:
I have several more images. If you have a particular part of the new bike that you are interested in, let me know & I will post an image.
Thanks for these pics, Lenswork!
I know it's an old thread, but you said you had some more pics... do you have any close-ups of the radiator? I'm particularly interested in how wide it is, and how far it extends out on the sides.
:thanks:
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Wow, cool pics, LensWork! Thanks for linking this over from the other thread, I didn't even know they were here! :thanks:
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making discoveries and opening up the huge potential of this 3rd generation Bandit
Ummm...you will be getting a 4th gen...the 06 was the third gen, it just didn't make it to the US :wink:
BTW, yes I still hear people saying that the first gen was the best one :grin:
My only derogatory comment for the 07 is the engine finish...having seen it in the flesh I can say I don't like it, too bright 'for my liking' but that is not to say that I would look down my nose to anybody that buys one, on the contrary I'm looking forward to seeing them on the road and hearing about how the bike rides. :beers:
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Ummm...you will be getting a 4th gen...the 06 was the third gen, it just didn't make it to the US :wink:
Oh, sorry... I thought I had read some speculation here on whether to call the '06 the "2.5" generation because it was kind of transitional, being the last air-cooled carbureted engine... but that's fine with me. :bigok:
BTW, yes I still hear people saying that the first gen was the best one :grin:
Understood... and I still love the Z1 900's and the Norton Commando's... they were all the best!
My only derogatory comment for the 07 is the engine finish...having seen it in the flesh I can say I don't like it, too bright 'for my liking'
Nothing "derogatory" about that, engine paint and colors are just matters of personal taste. You weren't condemning the entire design. :wink:
but that is not to say that I would look down my nose to anybody that buys one
Of course you wouldn't... no reasonable person would.
on the contrary I'm looking forward to seeing them on the road and hearing about how the bike rides. :beers:
Me too! And actually riding one down the road!
I'll be sure to report all my impressions, both good and bad. I'm sure there will be quirks in the brand-new engine and fuel system, and maybe even design flaws. I hope nothing that can't be easily fixed! :roll:
The point is that you and I and many people are looking forward to seeing how the "4th" generation bike measures up... and some of us are taking a big chance on plunking down a lot of money for a bike sight unseen. I would hope for some support and encouragement, and in return we'll be happy to share everything we can about what we learn.
There's no reason for anybody to get snooty... I'm sure there'll be a lot to talk about at the next meet, and there'll be a few '07's there too... you can count on it! :beers:
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Ahh, emotions do run high regarding our beloved Bandito's. I'll have to wait for the ride reports of the 07 but I have my doubts that it will end up pulling me away from my current B12. It better gain 20hp and handle great with the extra weight. You know though, a bike can be a little heavier yet if it's balanced right, it'll handle well at street speeds.
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You know though, a bike can be a little heavier yet if it's balanced right, it'll handle well at street speeds.
A-ha...that's where the 06 really benefits...it got the upgraded suspension/chassis but did not gain any weight..as a matter of fact the 06 is lighter than the gen 2 bikes :grin:
On another note, I'm still looking forward to reviews from mags and owners of the 07's though...just because they're not cutting edge doesn't mean they aren't a good value :beers:
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Ahh, emotions do run high regarding our beloved Bandito's. I'll have to wait for the ride reports of the 07 but I have my doubts that it will end up pulling me away from my current B12. It better gain 20hp and handle great with the extra weight. You know though, a bike can be a little heavier yet if it's balanced right, it'll handle well at street speeds.
Yeah you're right, sorry if I'm a little touchy but I just don't appreciate somebody trashing my new bike, especially when it's never even been ridden or tested yet... :duh:
But I've heard this weight issue a few times now so I thought I'd do a little research.
BanditS:..................2006............2007
Dry weight:-----------478 lbs.------496 lbs. +18 lbs.
Displacement---------1157 cc's-----1255 cc's +98 cc's
So the '07 weighs 18 more pounds and has 98 more cc's.
Now I'm wondering how much the big, huge muffler/catalytic converter on the '07 weighs... 12, 15 pounds at least. Plus gaining 10 to 15 horsepower just taking that off and removing the secondaries...
When you look at it this way, it sure seems like there's a lot of potential there, doesn't it? :bigok:
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As for me it spells the end of a long race heritage for those who can recognize it and I for one will be moving on when the time comes to more worthy ladies and remember the B12 for what she was, no homely substitutes for me.
Is it resistance to progress and change? Does the new bike threaten you somehow? Or is it simply envy and fear that the next guy might have something newer and better? :stickpoke:
"As for me it spells the end of a long race heritage for those who can recognize it and I for one will be moving on when the time comes to more worthy ladies and remember the B12 for what she was, no homely substitutes for me." How sad, what an arrogant and insulting statement. Does it make you feel superior by trashing the new Bandit before you've even ridden one, or even heard any test reports? Why exactly would you want to dampen our enthusiasm for our new bikes?
I suppose there were attitudes like yours when the 2nd generation Bandits came out too... I wonder if those folks still stubbornly insist that the older models were better, or did they eventually put aside their childish pouting and join in on the fun of appreciating the newer bikes?
I don't recall any 1G owners claiming their bikes were better than the 2G - except in the area of oil consumption during the period where Suzuki screwed up with the oil return holes in the pistons.
Not to put words in CWO4GUNNER's mouth, but what I take from what he says is he's not happy with the new motor. Not just in the looks department, but in the fact that this new engine is unique to the Bandit and not derived from a GSX-R like the old one, so there's no heritage, easy upgrades (with OEM parts), or proven "track" record - on the racetrack or the street.
Personally, I'm disappointed with the new 1250, I was hoping for a B13 with a Hayabusa-based motor, as the rumor mills had it, but I guess having a Busa based Bandit would have cut into sales of the new B-King - and probably the Busa, too. What I was hoping for was the B-King to take the place of the naked B12 and having the same chassis with a fairing and sensible 2-up accomodations as a Bandit S. Oh well...
I still think the new 1250 is a great bang-for-the-buck bike, but since I already have a 1200, there's not enough of a change in the new one to make me want to buy a new one. (Now if they had a version that came with the lowers and bags as has been posted AND had shaft drive so it was a cost effective challenge to sport-tourers like the ST13, FJR, C14, etc. I would give it more serious consideration.) The new 1250 doesn't make any more power than the 1200, it just makes it at a little lower RPM, and has a lower redline because of this. I'm sure folks like Dale Walker will step up to the plate and have upgrades for the latest iteration. Time will tell if it's the affordable hotrod the 1200 is though.
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I'm with Red01.
Suzuki overhere (=Europe) make it very clear that the bandit is not the wheelie-happy outlaw it once was anymore.
That place is for the GSR and the B-king.
The bandit is now the trustworthy, value-for-money- commuter/tourer bike. Same HP as the 1997 bike, but a more "green" bike. 10 years of development....
Not the "detuned for more torque GSX-R" that it once was.
So, for now I'll stick to my oil cooled 118 bhp, 102Nm 9 year old "badass". :motorsmile:
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Change is hard for some people, I guess. :roll:
It's funny how many negative opinions already exist about a motorcycle that nobody has ridden yet, or even read about anybody else riding one.
If you are one of those with the attitude of "wait and see", then good for you. At least you have an open mind. :congrats:
What gets me is the fact that the only thing that's different about the new bike is the engine... yet some folks complain about the "styling" and handling of the '07 even though it's the same chassis and suspension, fairing and seat as the '06 model. :duh:
Ok, granted, the engine is the heart of the beast. No, it's not the same old GSXR-based power-plant. But are us 1250 buyers the only ones to see past the numbers (or lack of) and realize what is hidden behind the finless silver exterior, the over-size muffler/catalytic converter and the detuned fuel system and computer?
Has it occured to anyone that Suzuki is doing the same thing with the '07 that it did with the original Bandit... putting out a "wolf in sheep's clothing"?
I'm glad for the "standard" designation, and the mediocre specs Suzuki has put out so far. The insurance rates for this bike are as low as a middle-weight, or a touring bike. I don't think this is an accident, I believe the '07 is deliberately targeted towards the same customers who have embraced the Bandit all these years, the same stubborn individualists who make up the entire membership of this board, those who know what a hot-rod lies behind the deceptively plain exterior of all Bandits... those who have made it into the "cult of the sleeper".
Yep, time will tell. Those of us risking our hard-earned bucks by plunking $8000 down on a untested, controversial new engine design may be fools, or we may be geniuses in disguise, who knows? It won't be the first time I took a chance.
But I can't wait to get mine home and break it in... get it on the dyno and record the base numbers, then begin the long and exciting process of bringing out the full potential in what I believe to be an incredible motorcycle. It's going to be an adventure, and us '07 owners will be the pioneers in a rewarding and fullfilling first year of discovery, no matter which way it turns out.
That's the whole point, isn't it? Taking a store-bought motorcycle and making it into something that is better than it was, an individual statement of your own taste and ingenuity? Isn't that the same attitude that the very first Bandit owners had but many seem to have lost now?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when the first Bandit came out, there were many nay-sayers and negative attitudes about it, were there not? "It's just a de-tuned GSXR motor, it's under-powered, it's cheap, it's a marketing trick meant for suckers, why not just buy a real motorcycle, I'm not wasting my money on this thing, etc, etc".... sound familiar?
In a way, you guys are right, the old Bandit may have come to the end of it's line. But the new Bandit carries on the same heritage, in my opinion. The "outlaw" attitude is ours now, we are the ones who are taking a chance, going against the grain, believing in something because we see the potential in it that others do not, and we are willing to put our sweat and dollars into proving it.
Just like the very first Banditos. We are no different than you once were. :bigok:
"Badges? BADGES? WE DON' NEED NO STEENKING BADGES!!!"
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The bottom line is that there are not a lot of standards out there to choose from...especially of the inline 4 variety. The Bandit is a niche bike and people that want a comfortable inline big block 4 will take a look...not everyone wants a detuned Gixxer or YZF engine in a super stiff aluminum chassis and one finger brakes. For some 100hp, 80ft.lbs of torque, three fingers on the brake and a 500lb dry weight will do just fine. I'd put money down that a Bandit 12.5 will be a more relaxed ride than an FZ1 and I believe that is the market (albeit a small market, hence niche bike) that Suzuki is after. I applaud Suzuki for taking the chance and producing a true UJM for the people that actually want a UJM...and I happen to be one of those people :motorsmile:
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I was hoping that Suz would put something to compete with the FZ1 and Z1000. I want 140hp+, comfort, speed, power and reliability. I want that hit! I also want to ride all day without my shoulders hurting.
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@zenman
"It's funny how many negative opinions already exist about a motorcycle that nobody has ridden yet, or even read about anybody else riding one. "
nobody ???? :?: :roll: (btw the same goes for positive opinions.)
"Has it occured to anyone that Suzuki is doing the same thing with the '07 that it did with the original Bandit... putting out a "wolf in sheep's clothing"? "
Suzuki state that the GSR and B-King are their new naked "wolfpack". And since the GSR-600 already has the same amount of HP as the 1250 bandit(and is a lot lighter!),I guess they may have a point.
I'm responsable for the contacts with Suzuki for the national bandit club overhere, so I sometimes have things first hand. (Hell, whe had the 650 for a three month test before it was launced..that was fun!) So i'm just telling you the Suzuki point of view as I received it.(wll actually, I must agree with them if I see what markets they address with all their models.)
However, I do not consider the 1250 to be a sheep, it has too much torque for that. But a good, solid(?), strong workshorse it is. It is an evolution, not a revolution.
And meeting the Euro3 eco-rules were a major goal in the development.
Yes, it may (or may not) be a great bike to tweak.
If you can get 25 bhp more out of the engine, tweak the suspension etc. etc, then yes, you are doing exactly what most of us have been doing over the past 10 years with our bandits. So, yes it is a Bandit and I will be following your improvements with much interest!
But for me it just is not the "next step" after my current 1200.(which is "under improvement" every winter... :wink: )
But if you can get rid of ,let's say, at least 25kg and get over 125bhp out of the engine without spending big money on it, I will be applauding for you!
So, keep me (us?) posted!
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@zenman
"It's funny how many negative opinions already exist about a motorcycle that nobody has ridden yet, or even read about anybody else riding one.
nobody ???? :?: :roll: (btw the same goes for positive opinions.)
Nobody here has ridden the new 1250, that I'm aware of. Including those that are so quick to condemn it.
Yeah, statements like "a sub-par toy to satisfy club culture drama", "Buck Rogers vanilla styling", "basic half hearted technology", and "minuscule performance gains" are pretty negative comments, especially from a guy that's never even seen the bike in person. I just don't see the purpose in making those kind of quips, other than to childishly diminish other's enthusiasm.
Yes, it may (or may not) be a great bike to tweak.
If you can get 25 bhp more out of the engine, tweak the suspension etc. etc, then yes, you are doing exactly what most of us have been doing over the past 10 years with our bandits. So, yes it is a Bandit and I will be following your improvements with much interest!
if you can get rid of ,let's say, at least 25kg and get over 125bhp out of the engine without spending big money on it, I will be applauding for you!
So, keep me (us?) posted!
Yes I definitely will! And thanks for the insight, and the words of encouragement. :thanks:
I think the horsepower gains will be ridiculously easy. Having experience with digital fuel injection and emissions control, I already know how much a catatlytic converter restricts performance, and how easy it is to reprogram a computer for significant HP's.
The weight will be a little more difficult, but the initial 12-15 lbs. will disappear with the converter. That alone brings it close to the '06 model, but after that I'm not too concerned with the weight. I'd be happy with a 480 lb. 125 hp motorcycle, and I think achieving that with the 1250 will be economical and within the abilities of the average rider.
Remember, my goal is not to build a drag-bike or road-race bike here. I plan on using it mainly for sport-touring and general blasting around. My biggest interest lies with getting the most out of this bike without going inside the motor, or spending more than around $1000.
The biggest technological improvement is the fuel injection and the liquid cooling. If you've never had fuel injection, then you can't know what an absolute dream it is. Smooth and instantaneous power, like riding a jet. No "throttle lag" or constantly tweaking carbs, just plug in a box and presto!
And for those of you complaining that it isn't a fire-breathing monster out of the box, go buy a Hayabusa. If you can afford the insurance, that is... :roll:
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I was hoping that Suz would put something to compete with the FZ1 and Z1000. I want 140hp+, comfort, speed, power and reliability. I want that hit! I also want to ride all day without my shoulders hurting.
I guess the Bandit line has surrendered those tasks to the new B-King. Seems the Bandit is giving up any pretentions at being an out-of-the-box streetfighter/hooligan machine and settling for being a best-bang-for-the-buck all-arounder (which the older ones did well, too) since it's not trying to keep pace with bikes like the FZ1, Z1000, Speed Triple, etc.
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What gets me is the fact that the only thing that's different about the new bike is the engine... yet some folks complain about the "styling" and handling of the '07 even though it's the same chassis and suspension, fairing and seat as the '06 model. :duh:
It's styling is "new" to the US market since the US didn't get the '06... and handling was not the strongest in class with the 2G models. Given the 3G & 3.5G still use the same basic chassis specs and downgraded front brakes (with an ABS option not offered since early 1G models), don't expect any rave reviews from the moto-journalists.
Ok, granted, the engine is the heart of the beast. No, it's not the same old GSXR-based power-plant. But are us 1250 buyers the only ones to see past the numbers (or lack of) and realize what is hidden behind the finless silver exterior, the over-size muffler/catalytic converter and the detuned fuel system and computer?
Has it occured to anyone that Suzuki is doing the same thing with the '07 that it did with the original Bandit... putting out a "wolf in sheep's clothing"?
What Suzuki did with the orignal Bandit was take a sportbike motor and put it in a more ergonomicallly friendly chassis. In the process, they de-tuned the motor a little - perhaps to keep it from taking sales away from the GSX-R or for other reasons I don't understand. After several years of complaints from potential buyers, they finally came out with the 600, 750 & 1200 versions of this idea.
I honestly hope this new motor is a wolf in sheeps clothing, but to the minds of some us here, the fact that it's an all-new motor and not a GSX-R derived motor takes away some of what we percieve all the previous versions of Bandits to be - user-friendly Gixxers. Had they chosen to use a GSX-R1000 or GSX1300R based motor and stepped up to - or at least toward - the front of the class in power, owners of older Bandits might be convinced to buy a new one... it's just there's not enough improvements in the new bike on paper to convice most current owners to run out and plunk some money down on a new Bandit. Not that we're saying it's a POS, just no reason to get off the old bike.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when the first Bandit came out, there were many nay-sayers and negative attitudes about it, were there not? "It's just a de-tuned GSXR motor, it's under-powered, it's cheap, it's a marketing trick meant for suckers, why not just buy a real motorcycle, I'm not wasting my money on this thing, etc, etc".... sound familiar?
I think you're wrong there. I don't recall any naysayers when the B4 came out. The press LOVED it. Or the bigger versions for that matter. About the only thing people wondered was, why did they de-tune it? The naysaying came along when other brands started to build bikes of this sort and made improvements & updates. Sometimes these backfired though, just take a look at all the negativity that's been written about the new FZ1.
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I like all the Bandits so far for their Swiss Army knife-like capabilties. I wish mine was fuel injected. I wish it was watercooled. I'd like a shaft option, too, but I guess that ain't never comin'. I'd like the weight kept down, but I guess that can be addressed with aftermarket exhaust systems and other parts.
I can't wait to see the new one in the dealership. I hope he decides to stock them so I can at least see them up close. I won't be buying one now that I've got mine all set up the way I like it, but if I could wave my magic wand...
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OK, lets get some real riding experioence into this thread..... :roll:
A testride overhere gave the following result in the German magazine "motorrad". I tried to translate it in proper english, hope I did it good enough.....
Save the Ribs!
" Now they already save on the ribs ", the bandit community may complain. And at the same time be glad that the bandit remained, nevertheless, a bandit.
Even completely without the cooling ribs.
One thing is clear: If it had gone according to the Suzuki businessmen, there would have been the bandit in the present form for the next 35 years. Including these incredible, well chased chill ribs. With carburettors instead of injection - yes, simply all that already ran since nineteenhundredsomething like it sold itself. And every year again a place in the top of the sales-hit list.
Practically without development expenses and new machine park in the factory.
And then this! Euro-3 rules everything. Well, at least, for every brand that sells more than a handfull of bikes per year. For the bandit this meanth: Now it is finally over for the ribs. With the whole ancient engine which derived his family tree directly from the 1984 GSX R.
Modern times, from now on also for old robbers.
But it is a fact that the bandit remained of course, nevertheless, a bandit - who wants to blame the boys in Hamamatsu for it?. On the contrary: to keep a front-line soldier in honour is not only friendly, it may be a clever marketing strategy. Since at least the European motorcyclist turned grey together with his bandit, so now still wants precisely the same: thanks to the big capacity a quick run form deep within the rpm range to the redline, but also to cruise calmly and mellow around the corner. All the same, whether with or without ribs.
Thus it is only logical that the new bandit looks almost just like her predecessor. Clear, the engine stings immediately in the eye. But otherwise? One must be an expert to discover other differences. The only evident one: With the cubic capacity the silencer grew. The weight likewise increased (from 243 to 254 kilogramme), and the tank volume shrank from 20 to 19 litre. The price rose in the S. version - in each case now including ABS - from 8,280 to 8,735 euros.
With which the bandit became more expensive, indeed, but in spite of the Honda's fight announcement with the CBF 1000, remains the most favorable offer of her class. Tradition just obliges. Therefore, it is also no miracle that The 1250 does not put everything upside down concerning the well-tried talents. On the contrary: The bandit preserves even in these hectic times the calmness of the predecessor and increases driving-dynamics at the same time. Not the world, but enough to form a new experience ,new and full of suspense.
Differently already at the start. No more messing with the choke, the electronic injection takes command and gives the mighty block -which has to owe his cubic capacity increase of nearly 100 cubic centimetres to a stroke extension from 59 to 64 millimetre-, from the first rotation to a stable running at tickover with about 1500 / min. The traditionalists will agree with this too. And this is how a modern four cylinder accepts its gas. Completely without midges of the carburettor era, immediately on the first metres. And a little memory penetrates immediately into the consciousness: The partly vigourous vibrations of the old bandit,still exist (rudimmentary) with the new engine at best in the lower speed area. Beyond the 2000rpm the bigblock purrs like grandmas Mimmi after a mouthfull of Whiskas.
But be aware: Who finds this "small stuff", should not be deceived . The big Suzuki pushes it, in spite of all its "low down relaxtness" definitely and quickly forwards. 115.4 newton metres at 3500rpm are an attack on the drivetrain, particularly as the 4-valve engine can preserve this level on a plateau about the following 3000rpm to a great extent. So far the good news...
The bad one: The bandit has a very long final drive. The sixth gear of the new, compact gearbox is so long that he would be good theoretically for more than 280 km/h. This is good enough form calm cruising, thanks to the immense torque even in the new sixth and still good enough for some fast twisties. But the enormous powers which would be expected in view of this charakteristik vapourize between crankshaft and back wheel. No more power arrives at the rear tyre than with the predecessor. Beyond 180 km/h - this corresponds to about 7000 / min - the old bandit even has advantages in this matter. But these speeds and RPM orgies usually only play a subordinated role with this big bike. Practically from tickover to the 7000th region without glitches or holes, that is what counts. And this, the nw bandit still does as well as before.
Indeed, the gasresponse is a bit rough in spite of two throttle valves of the engine, the gear hard to be switched and high hand strength is required by the new coupling with plate feathers.
The relaxed seat position (seat height adjustable as before) has not changed luckily. There are no uncomfortable rough edges, and behind the likewise unchanged fairing of the S. version one still enjoys a well-arranged and turbulence free ride. In the second row nothing has changed likewise. Unfortunately, because comfort was not outstanding for the Copilot on the old bandit in the first place.
Above the mighty silencer the passenger's footrests are about 1 centimetre further to the back. With the result that the backbenchers can hardly support themselves with the feet and easily slide over the pegs. This may play no role in sportsman's circles, it does in the bandit's world. Especially because the 1250 has the chassis and dimensions, finally, for 2-person rides. Although nothing changed on paper, the chassis of the 2007 presents itself more fresh - and harder - than ever. Indeed, this costs a little comfort because the response of fork and suspension is a little bit stubborn, with a clear plus meanwhile in feedback. An it has the reserves that engaged bandit driver missed up to now.
However, as with the engine a distinctive shade also falls here on the bright light, namely in form of the Dunlop D 218, in front in "T"-, behind in "N" specification. These tyres already functioned at best "reasonable" with the predecessor. In the new, tauter periphery they deliver a little persuading image. This leads to a distinctive "own" steering behaviour which makes constant counterpressure on the bars necessary, as well as a massive response on uneven surface which requires frequent corrections.
Therefore, MOTORCYCLE did the test on the example and installed a set of Michelin pilot Road. And look...., all of a sudden the bandit appeared as transformed. Clearly more comfortable, more neutral and more exact steering.
The result was that the tyres put the bike back in the right light. Consequently it is the tyre choice which can destroye the joy in the new 1250th.
While in view of the spotlessly drawn engine with central cam waves one can simply renounce the need for a chill rib.
Note: this is a "best effort" translation of an article of MOTORRAD and does not express my personal views! :wink:
Want to know more? buy the mag!
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:thanks: Thanks, Lmario, for taking the time to translate all that! (and for getting this thread back on topic)
It comes off a little strange through translation at times, but overall a good review in my opinion. I suspected the fuel injection would be an impressive improvement... :bigok:
It also reinforces my anticipation of gobs of delicious torque! :banana: And explains the lower redline... quite a longer stroke. I'm pleased to hear how much smoother it is at cruising speeds. :motorsmile:
The part about the final drive is interesting.... sounds like a very tall 6th gear, which might be a good thing for fuel economy at freeway speeds. It also indicates that a simple front-and-rear sprocket change would do wonders. I like the idea of a 6th-gear "overdrive" though.
The thing about the Dunlops is actually welcome news... it gives me a good excuse to burn the damn things off quickly, the sooner to replace them with Michelins or other good rubber. It's nice to know the only handling complaints were due to inadequate tires!
Granted, it's only one review, but it's like a drink of water in the desert for those of us anxiously awaiting the arrival of our own '07's... thanks again, Lmario! :beers:
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Very cool review!
Loads and loads of TORQUE! I'm drooling! :banana:
Thanks, Lmario! :bigok:
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The big Suzuki pushes it, in spite of all its "low down relaxtness" definitely and quickly forwards. 115.4 newton metres at 3500rpm
What does this translate to? I would like to know what the hp and torque is going to be at.
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Solman...
100 newton/meters = 73.7 ft.-lbs. torque.
So 115.4 n/m's at 3500 rpm comes out to roughly 85 ft.-lbs. torque.
The '06 Bandit 1200 was rated at 91.7 n/m's at 6500 rpm, which translates to about 67 ft.-lbs. torque.
So that's about 18 ft.-lbs. more torque than the '06, at 3000 less rpm's.
Awesome... :bigok:
I just figured it off the top of my head, so the numbers aren't exact. Excuse me if I'm off a little.
No horsepower specs yet that I can find... anybody?
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85 ft lbs of torque would definitely be a jump in torque from 72 ft lbs.
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We made the cover!
(http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/ZenMan33/MotoB1250cover.jpg)
Ad a peek inside:
(http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/ZenMan33/MotoB1250pic.jpg)
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The official Suzuki Europe numbers are:
72,0 kW (98 pk)/7.500 t.p.m.
108,0 Nm/3.700 t.p.m.
Motorrad measured 115Nm, so looks like Suzuki is on the safe side.. :banana:
About the translation, I tried to translate the exact German phrases to English. I wanted to make sure the text was as close as possible to how the author did it in German. Since German is not my native language -and neither is English- it may look a bit like babblefish.
Mario
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The official Suzuki Europe numbers are:
72,0 kW (98 pk)/7.500 t.p.m.
108,0 Nm/3.700 t.p.m.
Motorrad measured 115Nm, so looks like Suzuki is on the safe side.. :banana:
Most of the specs Suzuki puts out for the Bandits are very conservative. They claim only 98 HP but most dyno tests read well over 100 HP, even for the older 1200's. It keeps the insurances rates down and justifies the "standard" category.
That's one very important point for many folks... low insurance rates. Sure, if you want big HP specs than go buy a Busa or an ZX14, but you'll pay 5-10 times the insurance on top of the heftier sales price. Some people just don't get that.
Bottom line is I trust independent dyno tests much more than Suzuki numbers... and the only one we have so far is your Motorrad test, which shows a huge torque increase over last year's 1200. I'd bet the HP's are gonna be a bit higher too, in the real world.
About the translation, I tried to translate the exact German phrases to English. I wanted to make sure the text was as close as possible to how the author did it in German. Since German is not my native language -and neither is English- it may look a bit like babblefish.
Mario
That's ok,it just makes it more interesting! We can still see what the different phrases mean... for example, where your translation says "Completely without midges of the carburettor era", we would see that as "bugs". Since a "midge" is a type of "bug" it works out the same, but different. :motorsmile:
It must have taken you awhile to translate all that... we do appreciate it, Lmario! :thanks:
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We made the cover!
(http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/ZenMan33/MotoB1250cover.jpg)
Ad a peek inside:
(http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/ZenMan33/MotoB1250pic.jpg)
Now that's a hot bike! :bigok:
How come the germans get to test a 1250 before we do? Do the bikes go on sale over there first?
Oh hey, I'm no entry-level rider either, dude. I just sold a ZX-10, had a GSXR750 before that, plus a bunch of dirt bikes. I've been riding since I was 10. That's 16 years now.
I talked to my dealer today and he doesn't know when my bike will be getting here, he thinks March. I can't stand it! :duh:
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For me to be interested and switch, it would need to be at least 120 hp. I love the Bandit, but it is kind of upsetting to see it down rated so much.
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For anyone who's interested, I just did a baseline dyno run on my bone stock 06 B12...read here http://forums.banditalley.net/viewtopic.php?t=8164&highlight=
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For anyone who's interested, I just did a baseline dyno run on my bone stock 06 B12...read here http://forums.banditalley.net/viewtopic.php?t=8164&highlight=
Very interesting. And thanks for posting that... it will be great to see the difference after you install the exhaust.
I plan on doing the same thing as soon as I get mine broke in. It's the only way to really know how much of an improvement your tweaking does. :bigok:
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As you could see the torque curve was quite flat. When I take it in next time I'll see if we can start the run at 3Krpm instead of 4K because at 4K it was already close to max torque.
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The horsepower flattened out about 4500 rpm's. The torque curve looked a bit strange though.
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Seems I'm pretty much on the money so far then...my stock numbers are darned close...I'll post the new numbers in a coupla weeks.
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Here is my dyno with a stage 1 and slip-on
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b23/soloflt/April05dynoBandit1200.jpg)
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Normally the red lines would be stock B12 but you could also say this is about where the B12.5 would size up.
And what would you base that statement on?
The Motorrad test already rated the 1250 at 85 ft.-lbs torque. Being the only real numbers there are, "you could say" that the blue lines are closer to where the 1250 would "size up".
(http://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/images/dyno/B12%20sae%20mod%20box.gif)
Except that Motorrad reported the 1250 making that number beginning at 3500 rpm. And that's stock.
BTW... what happened to this?:
OK, I think were done here, roger out...
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Here is my dyno with a stage 1 and slip-on
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b23/soloflt/April05dynoBandit1200.jpg)
Good numbers... just what you'd expect in the Texas climate in spring close to sea level... :wink:
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Here we go - a comparison chart of the 2006 B12 and the 2007 B12.5, courtesy of the French Motostation:
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d35/paulweit/Bandit%20Alley/K6-K7graph.gif)
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Here we go - a comparison chart of the 2006 B12 and the 2007 B12.5, courtesy of the French Motostation:
Thanks, Red. Finally some actual results on the 1250! :bigok:
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d35/paulweit/Bandit%20Alley/K6-K7graph.gif)
Looks like this supports the Motorrad claim of impressive torque gain. The horsepower doesn't look a whole lot different though, except for everything happening at a lower rpm. That HP line looks weird, I wonder what the little "blip" is all about?
With that big catalytic converter, I'll bet there's a lot more HP's locked up in there waiting to be unleashed... :banana:
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I'll stick with my 06, non robot head.
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I recently wrote some companies regarding the availability of lower fairings for the '07.
I just received the following reply from TCP:
Dear Sir,
many thanks for your interest in our products. This product will NOT fit on the `07 model,
but as far we are informed, soon an original Suzuki accessory like this will be available.
Best regards,
Patric Janke
TCP SA
From Suzuki, aye? Now I wonder if it's the one pictured here:
(http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/ZenMan33/BanditST.jpg)
I also wonder if those saddlebags will be offered as a color-matched accessory?
Hmmmmm!
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Here we go - a comparison chart of the 2006 B12 and the 2007 B12.5, courtesy of the French Motostation:
Thanks, Red. Finally some actual results on the 1250! :bigok:
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d35/paulweit/Bandit%20Alley/K6-K7graph.gif)
Looks like this supports the Motorrad claim of impressive torque gain. The horsepower doesn't look a whole lot different though, except for everything happening at a lower rpm. That HP line looks weird, I wonder what the little "blip" is all about?
With that big catalytic converter, I'll bet there's a lot more HP's locked up in there waiting to be unleashed... :banana:
That chart looks like there's was a short-shift during the test, or they let off the throttlr for a second or something. That little dip is on both the torque and horsepower lines at the same time.
Anyway, that's great about all the torque! Where there's torque there has to be horsepower, it's just a matter of letting it loose! I think that big muffler holds it back a lot, they had to make it pass the euro 3 standards so they put that big thing on there.
I know that's the first mod I'm going to make when I get mine home! :bigok:
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Here we go - a comparison chart of the 2006 B12 and the 2007 B12.5, courtesy of the French Motostation:
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d35/paulweit/Bandit%20Alley/K6-K7graph.gif)
I don't know how to read this dyno chart. Torque is measured, and horsepower is caculated from torque,
Torque x RPMs / 5252 = Horsepower.
At 5252 rpms, torque and horsepower has got to be the same,(because that is the number the caculation is based on) below 5252 rpm, torque is always higher than horsepower, above 5252rpm, horsepower is always greater than torque, and I don't see that on this chart. I'm not saying that it is wrong, I am saying that I don't understand it. :duh:
I see that it is two different scales, but even considering that, they don't match up.
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Yea BHolland, now that you point it out, this dyno chart does look suspect. I guess we'll all have to wait for a couple of more magazine tests to really confirm.
As I'm riding a "little" 600, all of these 1200/1250 numbers look pretty impressive, but I find it nice that I can use all of the 65 +/- HP of the 600 on most rides. It's still faster than I want to go most of the time.
Even though I'm skiing tommorrow, I hope winter ends soon. I Wanna Ride!
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You're right BH! The 5252 thing totally escaped me.
A couple of things that always bugged me about the 5252 thing - and maybe you can explain it to me...
1) How would you dyno an engine that redlines lower than 5252 RPM?
2) What about the lions share of diesels out there that have TQ numbers that are always higher than the HP? (and usually these redline before 5252 RPM)
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If an engine turns 4000 rpms and the torque is 100 ft lbs at 4000,
100 x 4000 =400000 / 5252 = 76.161 HP
All horsepower means for an engine is, torque at a given rpm. Its just eaiser to say. :motorsmile:
I believe the chart is right, we just do not know how to convert it to what we understand.
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You guys are right, the chart is confusing.
As far as I can tell, the horsepower and torque are equal where the two red lines intersect, right at 100 HP and 6500 RPM, not 5252 RPM. 100 HP seems reasonable enough though.
I've found NO horsepower estimates for this bike yet.
As soon as I get it past the initial break-in, I'm going to take it to the dyno and get my base numbers, which I'll post here as soon as I can. In the meantime I'll be curious to see any reviews or dyno charts anyone comes up with... :motorsmile:
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I've found NO horsepower estimates for this bike yet.
I guess you missed it when I posted this scan last fall from the French Moto Revue magazine when I was in France.
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d35/paulweit/Bandit%20Alley/B12502.jpg)
I'm guessing 130 CH is the crank horsepower estimate, not rear wheel... and from the graph we've seen, that's a little optimistic.
(CH is the French abbreviation for horsepower.)
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Is it me or is the small picture in the lower right hand side of that poster a B12 air cooled? maybe a comparison in the French text?
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at 5252RPM torq = hp
that is the standard formula
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I've found NO horsepower estimates for this bike yet.
I guess you missed it when I posted this scan last fall from the French Moto Revue magazine when I was in France.
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d35/paulweit/Bandit%20Alley/B12502.jpg)
I'm guessing 130 CH is the crank horsepower estimate, not rear wheel... and from the graph we've seen, that's a little optimistic.
(CH is the French abbreviation for horsepower.)
I guess I did miss it.... since I wasn't a member until Dec. 8th! :wink:
Yep, I agree that 130 horsepower seems optimistc. I don't know what it's worth guessing anymore... but I'd guess it's somewhere between 100 and 130. Maybe 115?
As I've said before... whatever the stock HP's are, that catalytic converter has got to be holding it back a lot. I can't wait to get my hands on it and see what's inside that big can. :grin:
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With only what little I know about this 1250, and other Suzuki inline 4s, I think that this engine can easily make 160 RWHP, if we can get the right cams and pistons.
I wish the throttle bodies were 40 mm instead of 36, but it come with bigger valves. With cams and high compression pistons you should be able to move peak torque to around 7500 rpms, and peak horsepower to around 10,000 rpms .
85 Ft lbs of torque at 10,000rpms would be 161 HP.
My problem is that I have to wait until someome buys one and then wants to sell it so I can get it for the right price, and then spend a couple thousand to build the engine.
It will proabally be a year or two before I get that chance. :beers:
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Wow! 160 horsepower? You think so huh? Dude, I hope you get your hands on one soon then. I'd love to hear how you're gonna do that! I'd like to get that much power out of mine too, eventually! :bigok:
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Is it me or is the small picture in the lower right hand side of that poster a B12 air cooled? maybe a comparison in the French text?
Yes the little picture is an 06 B12S (non-abs model)
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Wow! 160 horsepower? You think so huh? Dude, I hope you get your hands on one soon then. I'd love to hear how you're gonna do that! I'd like to get that much power out of mine too, eventually! :bigok:
This is what I have to get 155 HP from the 1246 oil cooled,
I think the 1250 should do better than that.
1998 Suzuki Bandit, J&E 13 to 1- 1246 Piston Kit, Lazer Level 3 Ported Head w/ over-size stainless steel, 30mm intake and 26mm exhaust, valves, APE bronze valve guides, Heavy Duty Valve Springs. CamMotion G21 Cams w/ Slotted Sprockets, Holeshot top end oiler kit, Mikuni 38mm Flatslide Carbs with K-N Pod Filters.
155 RWH, 94 ft lb torque,
9.78 et at 139.84 mph best ¼ mile.
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Bob,checked out your site. Nice Bandit you have there! Pretty impressive numbers on the dyno run, especially the air/fuel graph, looks like you've got her tuned in pretty good.
I was wondering how much have you worked with digital fuel injection?
My aspirations for the 1250 are nowhere near what you've acheived for the race track... my goal is to get good all-around performance without getting inside the engine... at least not for awhile. I want to keep her on pump gas, and get decent mileage, but still tweak a few more horses out of it.
I plan on upgrading the exhaust first, maybe with a tuneable can like the Supertrapp internal disc, and plug-in programmable fuel injection and ignition module. Maybe air box/filter mods. I'm guessing I can get about 120+ horsepower and around 85-90 ft.lbs. torque just getting it tuned in good with these mods, and keep it above 40 mpg average.
I believe that's realistic. If I can do it for under $1K I'd be pretty satisfied with those specs. It would make for a very spirited sport-tourer and decent hot-rod with the bags off too... :bigok:
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Well its official the new B1250 has only 98 HP
Uh, would you mind posting a link for that, or at least name your source? :roll:
I don't know if this is the same link Gunner found or not, but it has the same info - and is translated from French, as it appears Gunner's info was.
France's Moto-Station comparison of the Suzuki GSF1250S ABS and the Honda CBF1000 ABS (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.moto-station.com/article2307-suzuki-gsf-1250-bandit-vs-honda-cbf-1000-toujours-pas-has-been-.html&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=3&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DSuzuki%2BGSF%2B1250%2BBandit%26hl%3Den%26rls%3DSUNA,SUNA:2006-09,SUNA:en)
Or maybe he got it from Moto-Station's "First Test" of the B12.5 (linked on page 2 of the above artilce) - where it's compared to the '06 air/oil cooled B12?
(http://www.moto-station.com/ttesimages/motodivers/nouveautes2007/comp_Suzuki_1250_Bandit_acpz.jpg)
A few interesting snipets from the B12/B12.5 comparison:
During the tests of acceleration, to 50 km/h, at 90 km/h or 130 km/h, the 1250 leaves in front of, without any chance to be caught up with…
Also let us announce that the vibrations present on the engine at cooling air/oil around 4.500/5 000 tr/min practically disappeared on its substitute.
Also of note in the B12 vs B12.5 comparo, they list BOTH bikes as producing "98 ch" - just the 1250 got there 1000 rpm sooner.
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Thanks, Red. :thanks:
It's not even a dyno test result, just an estimate. I don't know how anybody could say that makes it "official", but it seems that CWO is more interested in spinning a negative slant on the 1250 than being accurate and objective... :roll:
Interesting read with the translation... I noticed they included an explanation for the dyno test you posted:
"One can easily note here that the Gangster 1200 posts a power higher than that of the 1250 Cm3 in spite of the figures indicated by the manufacturer (even power). That is explained by the fact why the motor bike of Renato, our guide, had 6000 km with the meter and the model 2007 only 500 km. More interesting to note, the linearity of the curve of power of the 1.250, and all the rise in mode shifted of approximately 500 rpm compared to that of the 1200. But it is of course the curve of couple which makes the largest difference. The 1250 already reached 11 daN.m with only 3.200 rpm, whereas the 1200 are well also remains with 8,9 daN.m. Notez how the curve of couple of the 1250 remains stable around its maximum value on a beach going of 3.200 tr/min with practically 8.000 tr/min. Incredible, that points out almost the other large engine to us of the mark, that of the GSX-R 1300 Hayabusa 1300."
So the 1250 in the test only had 310 miles on it... not even broke in yet!
They also posted 98 hp for the Honda CBF as well as the old 1200... looks like they all get the same "rating" from the factory, probably for insurance purposes. :roll:
Good review, the "Gangster" comes out on top in most categories, especially the speed and power. And in comparison to the 1200, the 1250 makes the same top speed in 5th gear... before shifting into 6th! :bigok:
(http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/ZenMan33/Spd.jpg)
Kilometers______ Miles
90.00................. 55.92
100.00 .............. 62.14
110.00............... 68.35
120.00............... 74.56
130.00............... 80.78
140.00............... 86.99
150.00............... 93.21
160.00............... 99.42
170.00............... 105.63
180.00............... 111.85
190.00............... 118.06
200.00............... 124.27
210.00............... 130.49
220.00............... 136.70
230.00............... 142.92
240.00............... 149.13
250.00............... 155.34
260.00............... 161.56
270.00............... 167.77 (1200)
280.00............... 173.98
290.00............... 180.20 (1250)
300.00............... 186.41
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They also posted 98 hp for the Honda CBF as well as the old 1200... looks like they all get the same "rating" from the factory, probably for insurance purposes. :roll:
Perhaps... but I think it probably has more to do with France having a horsepower limit... heck, the French even rate the GSXR100 at only 106!
Regardless, it'll be nice to see some reviews in a US or UK magazine.
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I was wondering how much have you worked with digital fuel injection?:bigok:
I have worked with the ZX12 and Busa.
In my opinion digital fuel injection is perfect from 0 to top rpm, were as carbs are hard to get right excelp at a few points in the rpm range. With the power commanders you can create custom maps to give the engine the fuel it needs at all rpms.
I don't believe Suzuki would have went backwards with this 1250 engine, and they coldn't make the old GSXR water cooled engine big enough without redesigning it. I would like to get my hands on a shop manual just to see the specs.
Anybody can buy a Busa or ZX14 and be fast, and good for them if that is what they want to do, I like to buy a bike like the Bandit or ZRX 12, and make it fast. :motorsmile:
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I was wondering how much have you worked with digital fuel injection?:bigok:
I have worked with the ZX12 and Busa.
In my opinion digital fuel injection is perfect from 0 to top rpm, were as carbs are hard to get right excelp at a few points in the rpm range. With the power commanders you can create custom maps to give the engine the fuel it needs at all rpms.
I've been a big fan of digital fuel injection since my old '82 GPZ1100. They didn't have the programmable technology back then like they do now, but just replacing the "chip" was the simple and effective way to boost performance.
There is no Power Commander available for the new 1250 yet that I know of. I've been looking at some universal modules such as the Nikko analog for Suzukis: http://www.metisse.de/index.php?id=117&L=1
and also the Teka SFI:
http://www.exoticsportbike.com/teka.htm
Have any experience with either of those?
[I don't believe Suzuki would have went backwards with this 1250 engine, and they coldn't make the old GSXR water cooled engine big enough without redesigning it. I would like to get my hands on a shop manual just to see the specs.
I agree. There has to be a huge amount of potential in the new engine, just waiting to be tweaked out. The Euro 3 restrictions must have it choked down pretty good, and I'm anticipating significant HP gains with just a new can and some computer tweaking.
[Anybody can buy a Busa or ZX14 and be fast, and good for them if that is what they want to do, I like to buy a bike like the Bandit or ZRX 12, and make it fast. :motorsmile:
I'm with ya there. :bigok:
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Zenman,
Do you have your new 1250?
Over here we have the first versions available for testrides.
The first results I know of are:
1200-2005....vs.......1250-2007
112 DIN-HP/8900.........107 DIN-HP/8800
101 Nm/6300........115 Nm/3500
accelleration(kmh)
-100 = 3,3 s...........3,4 s
-140 = 5,7 s...........5,8 s
-200 = 12,2...........14,2 s
roll-on(kmh)
60-100= 4,3 s.........3,8 s
100-140=4,2 s.........4,1 s
140-180=5,5 s.........5,9 s
They do support the "tourer" image that the new bandit has.
Are there any other numbers available already?
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Lmario
Nope, it hasn't arrived yet... but my dealer has it on the books. They are supposed to be getting one out of the first shipment arriving in the US, but I'm still waiting.
Interesting numbers you posted... is that from a magazine test? I wonder is that available on the web and if so, do you have a link?
Thanks... :wink:
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The numbers ar an actual comparison on a dyno that happened last week as far as I know.
No magazine articles, other than the ones I already posted.
Mario
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Just incase any one cares I found this link this morning?
click here: for motorcyclenews.com video of the new 1250 (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/nav?page=motorcyclenews.articles.articleCategory.article&resourceId=6463845&articleCategory=NEWS_NEW-BIKES)
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Thanks Mongo. :bigok:
February 7 2007
New MCN: Feb 7
By: Sarah Carnell
"Check out the launch of the new Suzuki Bandit 1250 in this week’s MCN, available to buy from Wednesday, February, 2007.
Senior Road Tester Trevor Franklin went to see what this new machine has to offer – and the verdict - this is still a classic."
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Thanks Mongo. :bigok:
February 7 2007
New MCN: Feb 7
By: Sarah Carnell
"Check out the launch of the new Suzuki Bandit 1250 in this week’s MCN, available to buy from Wednesday, February, 2007.
Senior Road Tester Trevor Franklin went to see what this new machine has to offer – and the verdict - this is still a classic."
That Mag will be easy to pick up if you live in the UK I wonder when we will get it in the states. I've got a local news stand that handles this rag I'll keep my eyes open! :beers:
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OK, here's te first aftermarket exhaust I know of for the 1250:
(http://www.joachims-motorradhandel.de/news/images/12-02-2007%20127300.jpg)
Looks awesome to me.
499 Euro at www.suzukiplus.de. (click on "news")
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OK, here's te first aftermarket exhaust I know of for the 1250:
(http://www.joachims-motorradhandel.de/news/images/12-02-2007%20127300.jpg)
Looks awesome to me.
499 Euro at www.suzukiplus.de. (click on "news")
I dont know looks like 1/2 of a Z-1000 stock exaust!!
(http://freeweb.siol.net/ikonda/z1000.jpg)
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Yep, the guys at suzukiplus make the exhaust themselves.
It's an existing exhaust for an GSX1400 that the modified for the 1250.
They also make this:
(http://www.joachims-motorradhandel.de/b-king/images/B-King%20Eigen%20030.jpg)
Their own handmade B-king, that they have been selling for over 2 years now.
(253 BHP... :shock: )