Bandit Alley
GENERAL MOTORCYCLE FORUMS => GENERAL MOTORCYCLE => Topic started by: orionburn on July 02, 2007, 08:47:54 AM
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This morning on my way into work I had this asshat in a full size pick-up riding my ass after being stopped at a light. We start going again and get some room, but right away he gets right up on me again. I looked back at the guy with a WTF look and kept riding. My friend was in the right lane in her car. I got ahead of her and was going to move over into her lane with the dick cuts across before I can change lanes. I was talking to her once I got to work and she said she was giving him the evil look and cussing him out and he just smirked at her.
The whole ride into work I kept thinking to myself that all I wanted to do was get up to him and f**k his truck up. If I would have had something on me I'll admit I probably would have, but didn't have anything to chuck at him. Of course the thought of a boot to his headlight kept running through my mind. I've got friends that have told me many a story of things they've done to cagers that had it coming to them.
I do have a temper, but I also realize the potential consequences of my actions. Truthfuly I don't have a problem taking out my frustrations on a cager. My fear is that sure, I can do something as a means of payback, but what's that guy going to do to the next biker he comes up to? Is he going to take out his frustrations on that person? That is the only thing that keeps me from losing control. But, after this morning I'm going to be sure to keep an old spark plug or two in my pockets as a "just in case."
I know it's frustrating dealing with the idiots on the road, but after the road rage I had this morning I was wondering what some of you do in this sort of situation.
The rest of the ride in I said a little prayer - God, I'll be good and behave, but get him for me. :lol:
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I give the one finger wave. I realize that most cagers just see an obstacle when a bike is around and treat it like a little car, not giving the comfort room a bike deserves (or a car for that matter). Most people are good at heart, some just have no common sense or are distracted. I truly believe most of them just don't think about it until they are waved at and some of them look at you like "why did he do that to me?". Rare is the true :monkeymoon: .
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I've done it before, but I'm not ashamed of it... :lol:
You have to look at the legal issues here... that is, if you do decide to "get" the guy, which I certainly would never recommend to anyone, of course. Heaven forbid. :roll:
But just as a theoretical situation, it would be to your advantage to think clearly and be smarter than the idiot (I mean, cage driver)... for instance, "what if" you:
Give the guy the finger or whatever it takes to get his stupid face red with anger, then race ahead with him in pursuit. Be careful not to lose him.
Find a spot to pull over that's wide enough for his truck... make sure there are witnesses around.
Quickly get off your bike and wait for him to jump out of his truck and rush over to you screaming (if he's not angry enough, another discrete gesture with the middle finger may be in order).
Do NOT take your helmet or gear off. No such thing as a "fair" road fight. Let him take a few swings at you, (make sure there are witnesses) and after he breaks his knuckles on your helmet, you can now "defend" yourself all you want, since he attacked you first. He'll be helpless with his busted hands, so you can take your time and enjoy it. Just be sure to stop short of killing the bastard, that could be a real nuisance in court. :annoy:
The witnesses are the key here... all they saw was a crazy A-hole in a pick-up chase you down and attack you. You have every right to defend yourself. Know what I mean? :bandit:
ATGATT! :bigok:
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sometimes...being a woman sort of changes things, sometimes i'd like to hit people, and once in a confrontation I don't always see sense and will tell a 250lbs guy a foot taller than me that I wish he'd swing at me...SO knowing my personality I don't think I'll ever pull over. I have kicked out a womans headlight as she was changing in to my lane, I was riding the yellow line trying to avoid oncoming traffic and kicking the side of her car to get attention (evidently the bike right beside her window wasn't obvious enough)...her light shattered. I was too pissed to pull over but I should have, I had no idea that damage could be done to my bike without me falling over, as it was she cracked my side panel, and scratched my muffler badly. Good thing I moved my leg and was busy kicking. Moral of the story, bike doesn't need to fall to suffer damage, next time kick harder right at the beginning.
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I wouldn't have done anything either- I too hear stories about putting a boot to someones door- but honestly- if someone booted my car(of course it would be an honest mistake on my part)...some poor cyclist would eat a ditch. It is simple mass vs mass...and a car will win everytime.
I know that there are people that don't respect us on bikes...but I just blow them off as idiots and go on about my ride. Not worth me being the guy eating the ditch.
In this particular situation- I woulda pulled over just to get the maniac away from me. If he had the balls to stop with me then I woulda proceeded to Zens style. :stfu:
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I live in a smallish town and drive the same road every day and see the same a**holes every day.
I also have dogs, three in fact, and a fair memory for plates and car types..
I also walk my dogs very early in the morning, which means that I always have a bag or three of crap with me. Now the bags that I buy for containing the said crap are not the best. They are thin and often break.
This is sometimes refered to as the Golden Bag award. When I find the offending car, as long as it is not on my regular walking route, the award is presented.
This serves the purpose without injury to self or others and no innocent persons are harmed, beyond the neighbour of the offending car who might own a little fluffly dog.
I recogmend justice in a smart way. This doesn't get even with many of the offenders but I do get a few and they pay for the rest.
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I don't feel that revenge ever works out as well as it does in fantasy.
In this case, this guy was tailgating you (if you were in a car, that's what we'd call it), and then took advantage of an opening that you were intending to use. So he was driving in an aggressive and unsafe manner, but not illegally. I can't see it would be worth doing anything that would cost you money (like damaging his vehicle) or get you hurt (like picking a fight) over this. Whether you are in a car on on a motorcycle, the stupidity of other drivers is just part of the landscape.
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Slap a "gay pride" bumper sticker on the back oh his vehicle. That will eventually get his attention.
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Slap a "gay pride" bumper sticker on the back oh his vehicle. That will eventually get his attention.
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Slap a "gay pride" bumper sticker on the back oh his vehicle. That will eventually get his attention.
We made up a sticker that said "Caution: Driver Masturbating" and put it on a friend's car once. Said everybody was laughing at him at work til somebody finally told him what was on his bumper. :lol:
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I've done it in my youth, but in my older and hopefully wiser age, I don't do that anymore. In a situation like this, I would either wick it up and get far away from the jerk, or pull over and let him become someone else's problem.
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It can be damn tempting to get revenge on other drivers.
Then I remember: I'm driving a motorcycle and they're stuck in a gorram cage!
So I laugh and drive off, then vent online :motorsmile:
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sometimes...being a woman sort of changes things, sometimes i'd like to hit people, and once in a confrontation I don't always see sense and will tell a 250lbs guy a foot taller than me that I wish he'd swing at me...SO knowing my personality I don't think I'll ever pull over. I have kicked out a womans headlight as she was changing in to my lane, I was riding the yellow line trying to avoid oncoming traffic and kicking the side of her car to get attention (evidently the bike right beside her window wasn't obvious enough)...her light shattered. I was too pissed to pull over but I should have, I had no idea that damage could be done to my bike without me falling over, as it was she cracked my side panel, and scratched my muffler badly. Good thing I moved my leg and was busy kicking. Moral of the story, bike doesn't need to fall to suffer damage, next time kick harder right at the beginning.
BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR.....YES, IF A 250LB. MAN HITS YOU, "HE" WILL LOOK BAD, BUT "YOU" WILL STILL GET HIT.....NOT A GOOD RESULT.....
I don't feel that revenge ever works out as well as it does in fantasy.
In this case, this guy was tailgating you (if you were in a car, that's what we'd call it), and then took advantage of an opening that you were intending to use. So he was driving in an aggressive and unsafe manner, but not illegally. I can't see it would be worth doing anything that would cost you money (like damaging his vehicle) or get you hurt (like picking a fight) over this. Whether you are in a car on on a motorcycle, the stupidity of other drivers is just part of the landscape.
ACTUALLY, TAILGATING IN MOST STATES IS ILLEGAL.....
GETTING REVENGE IS A SWEET IDEA.....HOWEVER, IT IS JUST NOT WORTH THE HASSLE.....
GIVING SOMEONE THE FINGER AND RIDING OFF IS NOT THE WORST THING, BUT SOMETIMES IT WILL ENRAGE THE OTHER MOTORIST.....
USE YOUR MOTORCYCLES ABILITIES AND LEAVE THE IDIOT FAR, FAR BEHIND YOU.....OR AT A RED LIGHT.....
I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT REVENGE, BUT I TRY TO NEVER SEEK IT.....HOWEVER, WE ALL HAVE OUR MOMENTS.....
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ACTUALLY, TAILGATING IN MOST STATES IS ILLEGAL
Well, "following too closely" is generally illegal, but it's a judgement call on the part of the LEO. Generally, nobody's gonna get cited for it unless it's in conjunction with an accident.
That is, when it comes to tailgaiting, driving recklessly is usually ignored as long as you're driving wrecklessly.
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I've done it in my youth, but in my older and hopefully wiser age, I don't do that anymore. In a situation like this, I would either wick it up and get far away from the jerk, or pull over and let him become someone else's problem.
Yes payback can make you feel betta, yes they had it coming. Other than that, it was just a waste of your time.
Yep me too guilty as sin.
But one day that efen cager is some sicko, way sicker than you and I, even in my youth :lol: So it ends up being payback for the payback for the payback for him being a d*$(@&^.
And so on and so on.
As red says "wick it up or pull over", the next person might be sicker than him and simply blow his efen brain out :lol:
Now thats a great payback, and ya had no involvement :clap: and you can legally enjoy the crap out of that fact. He got what he had coming, and there aint no bad karma on you :bigok:
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For the most part if I don't feel comfortable around a certain cager I just throw the throttle open and put some major distance between me and them. In the circumstance surrounding my recent encounter the guy didn't give me a chance. I should have just gunned it and moved over, and the fact I had to is b.s., but again, what are you going to do?
If something happened to me like in Miriam's case, I would have taken the boot to the car without a moments hesitation. That's a whole different story. Friend of mine had that happen, although he managed not to get hit. He booted the hell out of the door, and a cop saw it happen and pulled both of them over. The driver got out of the car screaming and yelling for the cop to arrest him. Cop looked at my friend and said "you can go" without doing anything. Granted, you may not be that lucky. Just happens that the cop was in the right place at the right time and saw exactly what happened.
Looking back maybe I should have gotten his plate number and reported him. Would anything have happened? Probably not. Best chance is that maybe they'll make a note of it on his file and if somebody else calls in then they'll pay a visit to the guy. Chances of that happening are still slim, but you never know.
I always try to bet the better person, but idiots like that piss me off so much because how many times is he going to do that before he doesn't have enough room and takes out a biker. And I still stand by my reasoning that sure I could drop a bag of ball bearings or throw a handful of spark plugs into the air, but what happens to the next guy he comes up to? Of course I'd feel better doing something to the guy, but I do believe in what goes around comes around. Isn't worth it to me.
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I'm not making any judgements here on anybody, and I'm not nearly as crazy as I was when I was younger. But around the rough types I used to hang around with, taking it out on someone's car or possessions was considered chickenshit. If you were gonna confront someone, you did it face-to-face.
Having said that, and having been in my share of fights in the past, I have to say it is better to not go around attacking people. For one thing, it usually ends up with jail.
But one thing I learned, if you leave it up to the other guy, (like pulling over and saying "Ok, now what are you gonna do?"), 90% of the time they will back down and go running away. Then they'll think twice before farking with another biker.
As for the other 10%, well, like I said, don't take your helmet off. :wink: :bandit:
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Looking back maybe I should have gotten his plate number and reported him. Would anything have happened? Probably not.
Unless you were willing to lay a private charge against the guy, and or be a witness for the prosecution, more than likely the "note" wouldn't ever have even made it to his file. That's straight from a cop's mouth when I called a couple of years ago about a driver doing something not unlike what you had happen, but I was in a Cherokee.
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I guess in my "older" age I've become a little more relaxed.
I'm not going to let someone else's poor/erratic/careless/stupid/mindless (pick your favourite) driving upset my day. I just say chill. I'm responsible for my own reactions to what said driver did, and I'd rather use the brain power for something else, rather then spend any time getting upset or thinking about revenge. I just get out of his way and move on.
Quite frankly, I get much more upset when I get called by a telemarketer at suppertime...
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Whats the old saying, "Ride like everyone is trying to kill you."
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I commute to work a lot and find myself in similar situtations at least once a week. Usually take off, but if I can't then I get out of the way and let the idiot go. It's just not worth it to go after them. I like to think that they they drive like that because their lives are like hell.
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I know what you mean, Pillage. I try and keep that attitude as well. Figure he's pissed off because he has to head back to his trailer with only his case of Stroh's to make him happy (not that there's anything wrong with living in a trailer :bandit: )
Majority of the time I'm willing to simply say the guy was a dick and let it go. For whatever reason that day really got to me. It's easier for me to let it go when a cager simply is being an idiot and not paying attention (we've all done it) but the fact that he intentionally was riding my ass like that got under my skin. If I would have had to e-brake my ass would have been toast.
Next time I'll just crack the throttle and leave the asshat behind.
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I've got several road stories. Some got pretty nasty, even went to cops once.
The closest situation I've had concerning a tailgater happened about 6 or 7 years ago. I was riding the Bandit to work one morning and I checked the mirror & this sedan is right on my tail light. I nailed the throttle just to get a little space. I looked back, and I'll be danged, if the twit didn't get the hint & he's on my tail again! I nailed it again and went through this entire cycle a couple more times.
I finally get to the stop sign, and hear over a loud speaker PA system "slow it down!" It was an unmarked LEO! I haven't a clue if this guy ever figured out he was tailgating me.
Rather than confront a no-win situation. I waved like I got the message. I went straight, he made a right turn at the stop.
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One's response should be based on one thing. Stupidity vs. maliciousness. Stupidity merely deserves a response to stop the stupid behavior. A friend of mine's only response to a lady moving into his lane was to kick her windshield...thats where his leg was and speeding up or stopping wasn't safe due to all the reflective things in the shoulder. She woke up and over did the steering back so badly she almost lost control of her vehicle.
Same friend actually had the idiot in the pickup that was really trying to kill him. When they make eye contact then start aiming for you on the freeway, you know its malicious. Solution was to brake really hard and watch the guy try to out break a motorcycle then take off to the bike's top speed...of 130 (750 magna). Its lucky for the idiot pickup driver that there were few cars on the road and he decided to flight instead of fight. The friend of mine was carrying a legal concealed firearm the day that happened...and was well within his rights to use it.
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This morning on my way into work I had this asshat in a full size pick-up riding my ass after being stopped at a light. We start going again and get some room, but right away he gets right up on me again. I looked back at the guy with a WTF look and kept riding. My friend was in the right lane in her car. I got ahead of her and was going to move over into her lane with the dick cuts across before I can change lanes. I was talking to her once I got to work and she said she was giving him the evil look and cussing him out and he just smirked at her.
The whole ride into work I kept thinking to myself that all I wanted to do was get up to him and f**k his truck up. If I would have had something on me I'll admit I probably would have, but didn't have anything to chuck at him. Of course the thought of a boot to his headlight kept running through my mind. I've got friends that have told me many a story of things they've done to cagers that had it coming to them.
I do have a temper, but I also realize the potential consequences of my actions. Truthfuly I don't have a problem taking out my frustrations on a cager. My fear is that sure, I can do something as a means of payback, but what's that guy going to do to the next biker he comes up to? Is he going to take out his frustrations on that person? That is the only thing that keeps me from losing control. But, after this morning I'm going to be sure to keep an old spark plug or two in my pockets as a "just in case."
I know it's frustrating dealing with the idiots on the road, but after the road rage I had this morning I was wondering what some of you do in this sort of situation.
The rest of the ride in I said a little prayer - God, I'll be good and behave, but get him for me. :lol:
I ride almost all the time, to work, to run errons or just ride. I am sick of the a$$holes in cages that the first thing they do when they get in a car is take their head and shove it straight up there a$$ and attempt to drive.
I did kicked a door on a brand new paper plated Lincoln SUV after they tried to run me over because they did not want to look at were they were going and cut a corner and run me into the curb. How I did not go down I attribute to my skill and a lot of luck.
After kicking the door they did try and put chase to me, but there was no way they could keep up with my gixxer 1K.
Then you also have the ones who just don't care and drive any way they want to (usually slower than the spped limit in the fast lanes) with out regard for who else is on the road. I deal with these types everyday.