Bandit Alley
GENERAL MOTORCYCLE FORUMS => GENERAL MOTORCYCLE => Topic started by: B12Teuton on December 03, 2005, 02:59:02 PM
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http://www.globalsuzuki.com/gsr/index.html
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yep, or look at www.suzukigsrclub.nl
for more details and movie :wink:
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Funny, still no movie on the official site, while the fanclub does have it.... :bigok:
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Nice movie. Now if Suzuki would only make a 1000cc version that we could actually buy here in the colonies
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Seems since we don't have a Bandit anymore we ought to get something!
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Yeah, the Japs get the '400 version. I'd love to have that. That must be light as a feather. I guess I'd be happy if they brought the '600 here. They're still selling some of their old technology bikes here, like the Katanas and GS500F. What's up with that?
Although I think the Katana is a nice-looking bike, at 458 lbs for the '600 and 465 lbs for the 750, they're quite the lard-asses! The GSX-R600 and GSX-R750 by comparison are 354 and 359 lbs respectively. That's over 100 lbs less! :shock:
I wonder if they'll bring the GSR over here...
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When they deliver the GSR 1300, based on the Hayabusa engine, I'll be one of the first working stiffs in the line...I'll even sign in blood!
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Yeah, the Japs get the '400 version. I'd love to have that. That must be light as a feather.
Just a guess, but I'm thinking the GSR400 is the same as the 600 - just sleeved down and/or destroked to meet the rules for the 400 class. At least the pics I've seen of the 400 so far look identical to the 600.
They're still selling some of their old technology bikes here, like the Katanas and GS500F. What's up with that?
And Yamaha still sells YZF600's, and Kawasaki still sells Ninja 500's. They're bikes for the entry level and/or budget minded buyers.
Although I think the Katana is a nice-looking bike, at 458 lbs for the '600 and 465 lbs for the 750, they're quite the lard-asses! The GSX-R600 and GSX-R750 by comparison are 354 and 359 lbs respectively. That's over 100 lbs less! :shock:
Even when Katanas were fresh, they were on the porky side and aimed more as a comfortable sporty bike and not a bleeding edge race replica. Keep in mind the GSX600F Katana has a MSRP of $6399 vs the MSRP of the GSX-R600's $8799 - that's a $2400 difference. The difference is even greater with the 750's! The Kat comes in at a mere $6999 vs the GSX-R's $9999.
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>>At least the pics I've seen of the 400 so far look identical to the 600.<<
Pretty much, although it may be a different engine, not sure.
>>Keep in mind the GSX600F Katana has a MSRP of $6399 vs the MSRP of the GSX-R600's $8799 - that's a $2400 difference. The difference is even greater with the 750's! The Kat comes in at a mere $6999 vs the GSX-R's $9999.<<
True, but I deliberately compared bikes with the same displacement. If you look at the SV650, you have a more modern bike that lists for 6 grand and weighs 363 lbs dry (or 372 lbs for the $6500 SV650S). It's a pretty safe bet that this bike can outrun the 750 Katana, and is certainly cheaper.
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True, but I deliberately compared bikes with the same displacement. If you look at the SV650, you have a more modern bike that lists for 6 grand and weighs 363 lbs dry (or 372 lbs for the $6500 SV650S). It's a pretty safe bet that this bike can outrun the 750 Katana, and is certainly cheaper.
I'd be surprised if the SV650 can outrun the 750 Kat in a straight line. Might beat it in a twisty course though.
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>>I'd be surprised if the SV650 can outrun the 750 Kat in a straight line.<<
Tough to say for sure. Depends on what the power-to-weight ratios are for the bikes. That's 100-less lbs advantage on the SV650. Also, the Katana's running 10.7:1 compression ratio versus 11.5:1 on the SV650. The Katana's on carbs and the SV650 is on fuel injection. The Katana's air/oil cooled while the SV650 has water cooling. Taking all this into consideration, those extra 100ccs may not give the Katana that much of an advantage.
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If the carbs are jetted right, the difference between carbs and FI is nothing.
There's a reason why Superbike rules used to make 4 cylinder bikes have a 250cc penalty. They've made up for it now by not allowing the 1000cc fours have as many mods and upping their minimum weight. Along those same lines, the Supersport class allows 600cc fours, 675cc triples and 750cc twins.
750 Kats may not be the prettiest or highest tech tools in the shed, but they're still relatively high performance 750's and will still smoke a 600 Bandit... and a 600 Bandit will make for an interesting drag race with the SV650.
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I guess the bikes would just have to be pitted against each other to know for sure, but 100 lb difference and almost a full compression ratio higher is hard to ignore.
I thinks the Katanas (specifally the all-black models) are actually the best-looking bikes in the present US lineup, tho...
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I guess the bikes would just have to be pitted against each other to know for sure, but 100 lb difference and almost a full compression ratio higher is hard to ignore.
I thinks the Katanas (specifally the all-black models) are actually the best-looking bikes in the present US lineup, tho...
I've never seen one at the Suzuki shop. Ever. Not a big seller, maybe.
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From Raptors & Rockets (http://www.raptorsandrockets.com/news.html)
Ok it's time to let you know what we are working on at the moment. Loose strings, hard facts and pure speculation, you'll have to decide for yourself what could make for a hard gift under your 2006 Xmas tree or not. Let's start with the much anticipated upgrade of the current Suzuki Hayabusa. The current EURO 2 regulation expires next summer and Euro 3 takes over. This means that many motorcycles needs new engines and exhausts to conform to new tighter emission rules. GSX1300R is one of them. This will lead to one of two: 1.Hayabusa gets a brand new engine that conforms to Euro 3. 2. Hayabusa will be discontinued in the model range. Now we hardly believe the 'Busa will be discontinued so a new engine and exhaust it is then. But to make this new development worthwhile for Suzuki it needs to appear as a new model. So the speculation goes in the lines of a new GSX1400R with all newly designed aerodynamic body work and a top speed to at least match Kawasaki ZZR1400. Or why not a GSX1500R whilst at it? It couldn't hurt in today's mega cubes market and specially not if it's the fastest motorcycle on the planet too. Expect in particular engine technology from the race winning GSX-R1000 and a brand new crazy looking body work to bring the controversy back now that people are used to the Hayabusa looks. The engine will then be the basis for a big GSR also called the B-king. And with the GSR600 and a large capacity B-king (GSR1400?) there should be room for a naked version of GSX-R1000 in the middle (GSR1000?). We believe one of the reasons we have not heard anything official yet is to avoid any interruption to the sales of the GSX-R models.
Comments from official Suzuki sources: No comment.
So... maybe TWO big GSR's? :banana:
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Nice movie. Now if Suzuki would only make a 1000cc version that we could actually buy here in the colonies
It's a thing of beauty and a joy to behold.
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I'd be surprised if the SV650 can outrun the 750 Kat in a straight line.
Tough to say for sure. Depends on what the power-to-weight ratios are for the bikes. That's 100-less lbs advantage on the SV650. Also, the Katana's running 10.7:1 compression ratio versus 11.5:1 on the SV650. The Katana's on carbs and the SV650 is on fuel injection. The Katana's air/oil cooled while the SV650 has water cooling. Taking all this into consideration, those extra 100ccs may not give the Katana that much of an advantage.
OK, found some numbers! :motorsmile:
Looks like despite the 750 Kat being heavier, it has a better power to weight ratio than either SV and does outperform it - just as I thought.
As tested by Motorcycle Consumer News
MPG figures are per US gallon
'00 Bandit 600
Rear Wheel Horsepower/Torque: 68.6/36.5
Weight: 505 lbs.
Fuel Economy: 32.3 MPG (that's the lowest I've ever heard of for a B6!)
Top Speed: 127 MPH
0-60 MPH: 3.97
0-100 MPH: 10.72
1/4 Mile Time/Speed: 12.16 @108.93 MPH
60-0 Stopping distance: 114.1'
Power to Weight Ratio: 1:7.36
'98 Katana 600
Rear Wheel Horsepower/Torque: 68.8/37.4
Weight: 507 lbs.
Fuel Economy: 40.0 MPG
Top Speed: 134 MPH
0-60 MPH: 4.12
0-100 MPH: 10.81
1/4 Mile Time/Speed: 12.25 @ 108.40 MPH
60'-0' Stopping distance: 115.4'
Power to Weight Ratio: 1:7.37
'98 Katana 750
Rear Wheel Horsepower/Torque: 84.6/46.6
Weight: 518 lbs.
Fuel Economy: 44.1 MPG
Top Speed: 143 MPH
0-60 MPH: 3.52
0-100 MPH: 8.67
1/4 Mile Time/Speed: 11.52 @ 116.26 MPH
60'-0' Stopping distance: 111.4'
Power to Weight Ratio: 1:6.17
'03 SV650 (naked)
Rear Wheel Horsepower/Torque: 68.6/45.2
Weight: 428 lbs.
Fuel Economy: 35.5 MPG
Top Speed: 126 MPH
0-60 MPH: 3.74
0-100 MPH: 9.75
1/4 Mile Time/Speed: 11.89 @ 111.36 MPH
60'-0' Stopping distance: 120.3'
Power to Weight Ratio: 1:6.24
'03 SV650S
Rear Wheel Horsepower/Torque: 69.0/45.1
Weight: 433 lbs.
Fuel Economy: 47.8 MPG
Top Speed: 128 MPH
0-60 MPH: 3.61
0-100 MPH: 9.07
1/4 Mile Time/Speed: 11.63 @ 114.41 MPH
60'-0' Stopping distance: 119.04'
Power to Weight Ratio: 1:6.28
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GSR looks nice and all, but I've read the reviews and apparently for what it's supposed to be, it's not fast, not that practical, and not the best build quality. They look ok (would look better with a single round headlight though!)
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So the UK mags have already tested one? Can you scan any of the reviews?
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How does the SV650S get 12.3 MPG than the naked SV? I thought the only difference was the faring.
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I'd chock it up to variances in bikes more than anything, but the S model is more aerodynamic with it's fairing and lower rider position.
What shocked me was the crappy MPG the B6 got! They typically get in the 45-50 MPG range! 32.3 is like what a B12 with a Dynojet kit gets!
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So the UK mags have already tested one? Can you scan any of the reviews?
I'll scan the review in this months TWO later this week, my copy is at the girlfriends house. they liked it a lot, apart from a few minor niggles.
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So the UK mags have already tested one? Can you scan any of the reviews?
I'll scan the review in this months TWO later this week, my copy is at the girlfriends house. they liked it a lot, apart from a few minor niggles.
I can't wait to read that!
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Interesting. I wonder how they get that power out of the Katana. It must be using hotter cams or something. I wonder how the Katana 750 gets better gas milage that an SV650. I guess fuel injection still has a long way to go on bikes. Still, overall that's a slim line betwen the two bikes. Although I love the look of the all-black Katana, I think I'd still take the SV650. I just like a lighter bike.
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Their MPG figures do seem to be all over the map. From what I recall of what people get with these different bikes, they are all pretty close to the same - in the 45-50 MPG range.
The B6/K6 makes 1 hp for every 9.4cc, the K7 is 1 for 8.8. Not a big difference and one that hotter cams and/or a bump in compression would easily account for... or even the bore-to-stroke ratio differences between the two.
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as promised, its a little hard to read, but the specs page came out ok. (click for bigger)
(http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/5771/gsr60019mp.th.jpg) (http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gsr60019mp.jpg)
(http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/8196/gsr60029gt.th.jpg) (http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gsr60029gt.jpg)
(http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/1084/gsr60034cx.th.jpg) (http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gsr60034cx.jpg)
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I still really like it.
This was funny:
“there’s no denying the GSR is dead modern, but parked next to a Bandit, it becomes positively space-age”
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Everybody grab a copy of these before something gets them pulled. You know, copyrights and stuff.
I got mine! :grin:
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95 hp and just over 400 lbs... should be able to show a B12 the old "disappearing tail light" trick.
Thanks for posting the article! :bigok:
Can hardly wait to see what the bigger one(s) will do!