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GENERAL MOTORCYCLE FORUMS => GENERAL MOTORCYCLE => Topic started by: 06 Greyhound on April 29, 2007, 11:09:00 PM
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I bought a camera mount and gave it a try today.
Everything worked alright, but the vibrations made the film too hard to watch.
The mount I bought clamps to the handle bars and is solid mounted to two ball joints and clamped to the camera.
I'm open to suggestions. Although the film at the intersections was killer. The camera is a Sony 700s and uses both memory sticks and Tape. I recorded on tape today. Sorry if this has aready to been covered else where.
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Not to sound like a smartass, but my suggestion would be to take the camera off. When you do something stupid and the police pull you over, that is called evidence.
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Not to sound like a smartass, but my suggestion would be to take the camera off. When you do something stupid and the police pull you over, that is called evidence.
Not with the tape I shot yesterday - they would be motion sick long before they had proof of wrong doing.
Besides - we are always well within the law -or boring - as my son calls it.
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What bike are you riding? B4? B6? B12? Have you tried different gears? See if you can find an RPM 'sweet spot"
Try other spots on the bars too.
Does the camera have an electronic or optical image stabilizer? This may sound counter-intuitive, but try shutting it off.
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What bike are you riding? B4? B6? B12? Have you tried different gears? See if you can find an RPM 'sweet spot"
Try other spots on the bars too.
Does the camera have an electronic or optical image stabilizer? This may sound counter-intuitive, but try shutting it off.
I'm riding a B12 and the camera does have an image stabilizer. I image was pretty good until I shifted out of 1st, after that it got worse depending on the road condition, which was not the best. I did find the image settled down a bit a very high speed (not to contradict myself (see above))
I'm starting to think it was a good idea to buy the GPS mount option that I got with the mounting bracket.
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What bike are you riding? B4? B6? B12? Have you tried different gears? See if you can find an RPM 'sweet spot"
Try other spots on the bars too.
Does the camera have an electronic or optical image stabilizer? This may sound counter-intuitive, but try shutting it off.
I'm riding a B12 and the camera does have an image stabilizer. I image was pretty good until I shifted out of 1st, after that it got worse depending on the road condition, which was not the best. I did find the image settled down a bit a very high speed (not to contradict myself (see above))
I'm starting to think it was a good idea to buy the GPS mount option that I got with the mounting bracket.
If you check out sportbikecam.com they have some good pointers and they do tell you to turn off the optical stabilizer.
I tank mount my camera and I've never had any real issues but the tank is rubber mounted so it dampens some of the vibration. But I've hung a camera in reverse and it seemed to work also!
(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/02-mongo/th_pictureonpictureexperiment.jpg) (http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/02-mongo/?action=view¤t=pictureonpictureexperiment.flv)
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I had a look at Mongo's camera mount and I think I am begining to see the problem. My camera is much heavier than his. I think it is too much of the mounting bracket.
I'm going to try and bungi a support to see if that will reduce the vibrations. If that helps, I'll make an extra bracket and cross brace the base. I'm not really ready to buy another camera, so I will the options first.
Oh well, I really enjoy watching Mongo's video, and one of these days I will share some from here.
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Saw these on Flea Bay may be worth the investment!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Camera-GPS-Mount-Suzuki-GSXR750-GSX-R-750-GSX-R750-GSXR_W0QQitemZ220106608363QQihZ012QQcategoryZ10066QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Take a look at this site for ideas, some are big buck and others are just homegrown inspiration.
Hope it helps.
http://www.pashnit.com/more/cameramount.htm
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Thanks for the suggestions
I looked over the different types of mounts and I have one of the ones listed.
What I did was cross brace the base plate with a piece of aluminum and it worked like a charm. The video was stable, even when crossing railway tracks, there was only a slight skip.
I will hit the hardware store tonight and see if I can't fashion a mark 2 version of the brace to get me going on the long roads. I think I might also pick up a 3 gig memory stick that should hold the same travel time as a High 8 tape and use less battery power.
Stay tuned pictures to come. Sunday promises to be nice.
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Thanks for the suggestions
I looked over the different types of mounts and I have one of the ones listed.
What I did was cross brace the base plate with a piece of aluminum and it worked like a charm. The video was stable, even when crossing railway tracks, there was only a slight skip.
I will hit the hardware store tonight and see if I can't fashion a mark 2 version of the brace to get me going on the long roads. I think I might also pick up a 3 gig memory stick that should hold the same travel time as a High 8 tape and use less battery power.
Stay tuned pictures to come. Sunday promises to be nice.
Check to make sure that your device will take a 3Gig stick.
I was all prepared to buy a 4 gig SD card for my video setup until the place I bought it from said to check with the manufacturer to see what my unit could handle. Good thing I did as my unit , for some reason takes a 2 Gig only, max.
I bought the items below at
MemorySuppliers.com which was cheaper than evil bay and stand behind their stuff. I'm not connected with these guys, just passing on some good info for anyone interested.
Transcend 2GB 150X Ultra t2gb150sd 2 37.00
High Speed Secure Digital
SD Card - Spring Sale
Subtotal 74.00
Shipping 4.95
Total 78.95
Good luck with the Cam, BANDIT #999
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Check to make sure that your device will take a 3Gig stick.
I was all prepared to buy a 4 gig SD card for my video setup until the place I bought it from said to check with the manufacturer to see what my unit could handle. Good thing I did as my unit , for some reason takes a 2 Gig only, max.
I bought the items below at
MemorySuppliers.com which was cheaper than evil bay and stand behind their stuff. I'm not connected with these guys, just passing on some good info for anyone interested.
Transcend 2GB 150X Ultra t2gb150sd 2 37.00
High Speed Secure Digital
SD Card - Spring Sale
Subtotal 74.00
Shipping 4.95
Total 78.95
Good luck with the Cam, BANDIT #999
Good point - I will take the model number and other stuff in with me tomorrow. I really don't need to do another ride thinking that I'm making a video only to find that nothing but junk.
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Hey hound, one other thing....make sure that you get the fastest speed you can. I also found after a bit of searching that some brands say they are high speed but are only 60X. That could lead to choppy playback, the ones I ended up with are 150X. I've not tried them yet as I am waiting on delivery, but hoping that with almost 3 times the recording transfer rate I'll end up with clear video recording.
Let us know how you make out.
BANDIT #999
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Looking forward to seeing some video Hound!
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Looking forward to seeing some video Hound!
Problem solved - my Sony will not take video on the memory stick so I will stick with the High 8 tape, and I now have that working. -- I'm ready to roll. Wait a minute-- it's raining - does rain have really big white flakes in it? It's been a while since we've seen rain.
http://www.theweathernetwork.com/weather/cities/can/pages/CAAB0049.htm
They don't mention the big white flakes on the forcast but Sunday still looks good. I will try to find an interesting road. :motorsmile:
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If you're using Hi-8 tape, that's at the core of your problems. The inertia of it's mass (actually more the mass of the heads) can cause your tape and heads will go out of sync during recording from vibrations. Upon playback, the signal will roll in and out of sync. MiniDV cams suffer less from this due to their smaller tape and heads, but they too can suffer from this.
Granted, you can reduce it somewhat, and fortunately you've found a sweet spot to get better tracking, but once you can record from a solid state device, your footage will look a lot smoother.
Solid state cams are going pretty cheap nowadays, you may want to look around and get some user feedback on various models. The cheapest of them will render bad MPEG (which won't look much better than what you've been getting), but mid-to-higher end will use better algorithms and get better motion tracking.
Bad high-speed motion tracking has traditionally been the bane of MPEG video, but things have improved. Some cameras will even record to other formats like standard DV direct to memory.
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So tell me hound do you have some video to share with the masses? :stickpoke:
I reverse mounted the camera on my bike today only to find that I had recorded over the same tape to many times and the video basically looked like KAKA, I'll try it again next weekend!
All in all it was a good ride today had some good tunes flowing through the MP3 if the Santa Ana winds would have been a little lighter this morning would have made for a perfect day!
:bandit:
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I just remembered I have a pipe mount" for cameras that will easily mount on handlebars, among other things. My Fuji E-900 still camera takes videos and encodes them to MJPEG, which is actually a decent codec for motion video. I think I'll try and see if I can shoot some footage with the setup.
Too bad I didn't think about this sooner, I just put ~350 miles on my B4 today, running some back roads into the Catskills in NY state.
I have to add that I couldn't have done THAT without my AirHawk! I may be exhausted, but my ass is still in one piece!
AirHawk rocks!
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I have some tape I shot yesterday - but sadly it is not of the quailty that I had wanted. Even with the camera cross braced it is still too heavy for the mounting system. The road I was on yesterday is in very good condition and even with a good deal of weaving between rough spots I get a lot of vibrations. (I just thought of the background music.)
I will down load a clip tonight if I get a chance and post it.
If I'm going to continue, I will have to bite the bullet and buy a digital system.
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I have made a DVD and a copy on my hard drive but I seem to have problems uploading it to photobucket.
It selected the mpeg without problem and accepted the name and when I hit upload it said uploading 0% and stayed that way.
I tried a few times and always the same non result. Should it take 15 minutes and still show 0% uploaded. the clip is only about 12 minutes long.
Or am I way over the clip limit for photbucket, there was no error message.
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How big is your 12 min file? If it's an mpeg that's DVD quality, it will be HUGE.
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Photobucket will limit you to a 5-minute video clip if you go the free route and a 10-minute clip for the $25 annual upgrade you are limited to 100 MB files with the upgrade
My last video was saved as an Mpeg 2 file at 640 x 480 with a data rate of 100Kbits/sec the file size 96.3 MB
(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/02-mongo/th_3-25-07ride.jpg) (http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/02-mongo/?action=view¤t=3-25-07ride.flv)
If it shows 0% after 12 minutes your file IS TO BIG I guess size matters here. I made the same mistake and it took me a while to figure out the file was too large!
Hope this helps try cutting your videos into 5-minute segments and it should work!
:bandit:
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Try making a Quicktime MOV file with the H264 codec. Make sure you use a codec on the audio as well, like MP3 or AAC. You can also make it a bit smaller, 400x300 is fine.
Although the Windows Media codec is actually very efficient, it cuts out some users from viewing it, specifically Linux users, and Mac users without Flip4Mac (I believe VLAN on Linux allows playback of MOVs).
You can also try MPEG1. By the way, Mongo, the link to your file lists it as RIDE.FLV, which means it's a Flash video. Apparently Photobucket may take video files and recompressed them to Flash format, ala Google and YouTube.
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By the way, Mongo, the link to your file lists it as RIDE.FLV, which means it's a Flash video. Apparently Photobucket may take video files and recompressed them to Flash format, ala Google and YouTube.
BINGO!
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Ok Back to the drawing board..
I was going to just use my Windows movie maker, but I find I have some sort of fatal error in that program, so I made my current verision on Intervideo WinDVD maker.
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Ok Back to the drawing board..
I was going to just use my Windows movie maker, but I find I have some sort of fatal error in that program, so I made my current verision on Intervideo WinDVD maker.
Stick with it hound I'm looking forward to seeing some new videos. I picked up some new tapes and will be back at it this weekend working on the new reverse mount set up! :grin:
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(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/02-mongo/th_todaysRide.jpg) (http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/02-mongo/?action=view¤t=todaysRide.flv)
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Latest invention!
(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/02-mongo/CRAP/CIMG3790.jpg)
(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/02-mongo/CRAP/CIMG3791.jpg)
(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/02-mongo/CRAP/CIMG3793.jpg)
Video to follow this weekend!
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(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/02-mongo/th_theridehome.jpg) (http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/02-mongo/?action=view¤t=theridehome.flv)