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GENERAL MOTORCYCLE FORUMS => GENERAL MOTORCYCLE => Topic started by: Sven on February 23, 2006, 08:01:26 PM
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This guy (?) rides so aggressively and rudely, that I was really hoping someone would open a car door and wallop him in to next week (or the afterlife). That was when I wasn't leaning back and forth and trying to hit the brake!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-MtXymQkjs&search=motorcycle
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Lane splitting is always a bad idea. Idiots doing it is even worse.
I know people who are hot to make this legal in Texas. I hope not. It's stupid and dangerous.
Watching that made me a nervous wreck. :lol:
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If you keep on Kicking a Dog he will eventually Bite you! That Guy is an Idiot. He is probably A Dead Idiot by now, He want last very much longer. Did everyone Notice how BAD that traffic was, Alot of Big truck traffic. Man I am glad I dont live in that city. I would definetly be Moving.
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Most of the Drivers around here weave all over the road, they are either Drunk or on there Cell phone. Those drivers in the Video sure stay centered up in their lane. And I did not see any trash or Big truck tire remains on the road. Something is not right.
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I just gotta step in on the pro lane-splitting side here. Sometimes you just got to do it. Come live in SoCal for a while and try to commute. If you don't split, you don't get to work. I actually find it safer to split lanes than stay in line like a good cager. Sure you run the risk of someone changing lanes on you but when traffic is slow enough to split safely the lane changes happen slowly enough so that you have plenty of warning if you are staying alert. You also don't have to worry about some cager smacking you from behind because they are busy text messaging, while drinking their Starbucks and adjusting thier GPS. As an added benefit you get to spend less time stuck behind some smog belching behemoth getting a case of black lung.
Admitedly homeboy was on it a bit hard, but those japanese drivers were nice and disciplined. I'd be happy to split their lanes.
As far as I'm concerned, you ain't lived until you've split the car pool & #1 lanes of the 105 east bound out of LA at 5pm behind two CHP motor cops at 70MPH. It makes your bannana want to dance. WOHOOO!!!
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
Oh! By the way. If you lane split you also got to filter to the front at the lights. Like my mama always said. If you're in front of them and they can't catch you, they can't hit you.
LONG LIVE THE LANE SPLITTERS!!! SPLIT LANES FOR ALL!!!
And sign your organ doner card damnit.
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Lane splitting is always a bad idea. Idiots doing it is even worse.
I know people who are hot to make this legal in Texas. I hope not. It's stupid and dangerous.
Watching that made me a nervous wreck. :lol:
For pete's sake, don't let the Aussie Government hear you say that, they're already trying to make it illegal, while motorists, cops included, try to run us down while they make phone calls on the mobile (cell phone).
Long live lane splitting...just do it sensibly...
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LONG LIVE THE LANE SPLITTERS!!! SPLIT LANES FOR ALL!!!
And sign your organ doner card damnit.
Amen
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I'm struggling to see what all the fuss is about. Sure, he's riding assertively, maybe aggressively at times and yes, if he carries on at those speeds he's not going to last too long, but really, I see this every day. The only thing he's got to look out for are people switching lanes or someone pulling out on him. Other than that, it's a regular commute into a city for most people.
You gotta chill. Lane splitting is half the reason for owning a bike?!?!? The other is the speed. Put the two together and there you go....
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I gotta say, if people did this on the roads I cage-commute every day, I would have killed a motorcyclist by now. I have NO patience for the morons that cause all the backups (It's gonna stack up 4000 people behind me but I'm going to let out these two people waiting on the ramp anyway :duh: ). After years of driving the same roads at the same time every day, I know which lane moves more quickly where and I get there. Period. My only concern is to minimize the chance that I'm gonna trade paint with someone. I guess it would be different if it were legal and common here but I'm not looking down the dotted line for someone going 3, 4, 5x as fast as me.
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Me, neither. Always a bad idea. But the rest of you, well, go for it! But if you scratch my car or knock off my mirror and I get your license number or manage to catch you ...
You're roadkill.
:thanks:
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That guy has ice for blood, WOW.
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I'd do it if it were legal here.The I10 in Baton Rouge was rated one of the worst commutes in the US. I think we were #8 or there abouts. Now if I lived were ever that video was shot I would leave...and leave now. I thought my traffic was a headache.
I'm all for lane splitting done at a reasonable rate of speed. He was a bit excessive for my taste.
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I'm struggling to see what all the fuss is about.
My "fuss" is that this idiot drove in a manner which is unacceptable. He went between vehicles at a fast speed, which I'm sure had some of them thinking he was going to hit their cars. Worse, he constantly cut off other drivers, which surely made them hit their brakes. The only way society works is if we all play by the same rules and treat each other with respect. If your attitude is "F.U., I can do what I want because I am on a motorcycle", then you deserve to be treated the same way by others.
I am not against lane splitting in slow-moving traffic, but darting in and out of lanes by a car or bike makes me wish nothing but ill for the person doing it.
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I'm struggling to see what all the fuss is about.
My "fuss" is that this idiot drove in a manner which is unacceptable. He went between vehicles at a fast speed, which I'm sure had some of them thinking he was going to hit their cars. Worse, he constantly cut off other drivers, which surely made them hit their brakes. The only way society works is if we all play by the same rules and treat each other with respect. If your attitude is "F.U., I can do what I want because I am on a motorcycle", then you deserve to be treated the same way by others.
I am not against lane splitting in slow-moving traffic, but darting in and out of lanes by a car or bike makes me wish nothing but ill for the person doing it.
I understand what you're saying, but I think depending on where you come from, this will be seen as either outrageous or normal. I have to commute into London regularly and this is taken as the norm. People drive cages like morons and people ride bikes like the guy in the video.
Maybe if you live in the middle of the sticks and don't have many cars or bikes around then this will seem like bad driving and I can fully understand how it must look bad. I've already agreed that he's driving quite aggressively at times but I saw a couple of trucks in the video that weren't exactly displaying A1 driving either (though to be fair they weren't in view long enough to make a proper judgement).
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I'm all for reasonable lane splitting and filtering to the front of traffic lights. That said, the guy in the video wasn't always reasonable... especially anytime the speedo was over ~50 kph - which was most of the time. It was amazing how the trucks outnumbers cars by so much. I guess that's a Japanese thing, since you can't own a car there unless you can show proof you have somewhere to park it.
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yup, i agree completely. Lane splitting is not bad per se. I'm only doing it in case of traffic jams and never more than 20km/h's faster than the surrounding speed.
I know how to read cage driver's signs , don't do it if you're just starting to ride a bike!
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Living in Los Angeles and commuting to work lane splitting is a must. And this is coming from a guy who is still "recovering" from the ill effects of lane splitting.
And I two feel more comfortable not having some distracted cager behind me in traffic.
As a point of interest. Lane splitting is not legal in Cali. per say. I am not too familiar with the exact language but it has something to do with the fact that the laws do not forbid it expressly.
The Big B
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I know people who are hot to make this legal in Texas. I hope not. It's stupid and dangerous.
Too late, it became legal to split lanes as of 1 Sep 05 in Texas. :banana:
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As a point of interest. Lane splitting is not legal in Cali. per say. I am not too familiar with the exact language but it has something to do with the fact that the laws do not forbid it expressly.
The Big B
Lane Splitting and Filtering are perfectly legal in California. If something is not specifically written into a law that forbids it it is legal. Anything that is not illegal is by definition LEGAL.
CHP and DMV try to discourage it because some cage driving suit in Sacramento doesn't understand or like bikes. :monkeymoon:
How do I know this you ask. I am a California cop and I asked CHP.
Split lanes with a clear conscience, a song in your heart and a knife in your teeth Pirate style.
SPLIT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Again with the dancing bannannannannannanna
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
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While your governments in the 'states are busy legalising Lane Splitting. The governments here in the land of Oz are considering making it explicitly illegal.
In some states it's already illegal if you are deemed to be 'undertaking' rather than overtaking. In other words if Mr Plod thinks you were passing on the left, then he might book you.
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I know people who are hot to make this legal in Texas. I hope not. It's stupid and dangerous.
Too late, it became legal to split lanes as of 1 Sep 05 in Texas. :banana:
Do you have the section # of the law that made it legal? I couldn't find it on the State of Texas site and according to Laneshare.org (http://www.laneshare.com/content/view/25/35/) (which is actually located at laneshare.com), Texas House Bill 1522 was attempted last year, but did not pass. According to their copy of HB1522, it was going to modify § 545.060. When I looked up § 545.060, it is still in it's original form (last ammended Set. 1, 1995).
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BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
SECTION 1. Section 545.060, Transportation Code, is amended by amending
Subsection (a) and adding Subsection (e) to read as follows: (a) An
operator on a roadway divided into two or more clearly marked lanes for traffic:
(1) shall drive as nearly as practical entirely within a single lane,
except as provided by Subsection (e); and
(2) may not move from the lane unless that movement can be made safely. (e) The operator of a motorcycle may operate the motorcycle for a safe distance between lanes of traffic moving in the same direction during periods of traffic
congestion if the operator:
is at least 21 years old;
has successfully completed a motorcycle operator training and safety course under Chapter 662;
is covered by a health insurance plan providing the operator with at least $10,000 in medical benefits for injuries incurred as a result of an accident while operating a motorcycle; and
operates the motorcycle:
(A) at a speed not more than five miles per hour over the speed of the
other traffic; (B) in traffic that is moving at a speed of 20 miles per
hour or less; and (C) in a location other than a school crossing zone or
other than a location where the posted speed limit is 20 miles per hour or less.
SECTION 2. This Act takes effect September 1, 2005.
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by the way, BigB, did you mean "per se"?
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Let me echo all the pro-splitting (and anti-idiot) sentiments previously posted. I began riding (in California, where "lane sharing" is legal) at the ripe old age of 34, and so conservatively that my plate should have read "milquetoast".
I first split lanes along a completely-stopped 4-line divided highway on the way to the superbike races at Sears Point (I refuse to call it Infineon) and was white-knuckled-terrified.
Slowly (check my handle), over time, I began splitting only at red lights, then in bumper-to-bumper traffic, and eventually to the point where I regularly rode the "Bots-dots" looking for the opportunity to "split"...
...and also moved out of the way for guys (typically) who were splitting WAY faster than I was. You can do it safe and considerate, and you can do it stupid and aggraviting, just like anything else, but don't beat on the good majority for the minority a##holes!
Call it dangerous if you want, but I survived all my rush-hour-commuting-lane-splitting and got nailed by a Suburban in my 2-TON-PONTIAC in broad daylight on a free-moving highway!!!! I'll take my chances betwen the cars anyday in comparison to that.
Yes, it takes time to get familiar with the concept, but when you do, in California or in Japan, it suddenly makes sense... so much sense that it makes no sense NOT to do it.
Rob, formerly from SF, currently exiled in KC.... :(
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I began splitting only at red lights, then in bumper-to-bumper traffic
So you're one of those (jerks) who zips up between cars and then hops out in front of everyone at the red light? In my experience, this behavior is limited to the same riders who weave from lane to lane (with no blinker, so nobody has any idea what you might be doing), what I label "terrorist driving/riding" (and yes, I have seen cars do it. I *can* do that, but I *choose* not to do so because I believe it's selfish and causes bad feelings towards bikers.
I have not said I am against lane splitting, but motorcyclists have to show basic courtesy to car drivers if they want courtesy from car drivers, and cutting them off (which is the element of this video that I keep pointing to) or otherwise showing your ass is not the way to show or get that courtesy.
Our TN ABATE org is workign towards getting emergency lane use legalized in this state, because we simply do not have the traffic snarls that make lane splitting logical. But who, no matter what they drive, hasn't used the emergency/breakdown lane to over to the next off-ramp when traffic is puttering along or just sitting?
Bikes can do things cars can't do, and smaller cars can do things bigger cards can't do. But what you do is up to you (and the laws of your locale)...
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But who, no matter what they drive, hasn't used the emergency/breakdown lane to over to the next off-ramp when traffic is puttering along or just sitting?
I for one HAVE NEVER used the emergency/breakdown lane for anything other than a breakdown and even then I try to pull right of the road, in to the bush if I can. The reason....2 friends killed by a d$ck for brains a##hole who decided he'd try and get to the next exit quicker......the only bonus is that while he 'survived' the accident he won't be driving ever again.....in fact there's not much a quadraplegic can do....
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BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
SECTION 1. Section 545.060, Transportation Code, is amended by amending
Subsection (a) and adding Subsection (e) to read as follows: (a) An
operator on a roadway divided into two or more clearly marked lanes for traffic:
(1) shall drive as nearly as practical entirely within a single lane,
except as provided by Subsection (e); and
(2) may not move from the lane unless that movement can be made safely. (e) The operator of a motorcycle may operate the motorcycle for a safe distance between lanes of traffic moving in the same direction during periods of traffic
congestion if the operator:
is at least 21 years old;
has successfully completed a motorcycle operator training and safety course under Chapter 662;
is covered by a health insurance plan providing the operator with at least $10,000 in medical benefits for injuries incurred as a result of an accident while operating a motorcycle; and
operates the motorcycle:
(A) at a speed not more than five miles per hour over the speed of the
other traffic; (B) in traffic that is moving at a speed of 20 miles per
hour or less; and (C) in a location other than a school crossing zone or
other than a location where the posted speed limit is 20 miles per hour or less.
SECTION 2. This Act takes effect September 1, 2005.
That's the wording of Texas HB1522 that failed to pass.
Click here to read last years HB1522. (http://www.laneshare.com/content/view/25/35/)
Here's what § 545.060 currently says on the State of Texas' website:
Click here for the list of Texas Statutes, then click on Section 545, then on 545.060 (http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statutes/tn.toc.htm)
§ 545.060. DRIVING ON ROADWAY LANED FOR
TRAFFIC. (a) An operator on a roadway divided into two or more
clearly marked lanes for traffic:
(1) shall drive as nearly as practical entirely within
a single lane; and
(2) may not move from the lane unless that movement can
be made safely.
(b) If a roadway is divided into three lanes and provides
for two-way movement of traffic, an operator on the roadway may not
drive in the center lane except:
(1) if passing another vehicle and the center lane is
clear of traffic within a safe distance;
(2) in preparing to make a left turn; or
(3) where the center lane is designated by an official
traffic-control device for movement in the direction in which the
operator is moving.
(c) Without regard to the center of the roadway, an official
traffic-control device may be erected directing slow-moving
traffic to use a designated lane or designating lanes to be used by
traffic moving in a particular direction.
(d) Official traffic-control devices prohibiting the
changing of lanes on sections of roadway may be installed.
Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.
You'd think if HB1522 passed, Texas would have updated their website...
and Laneshare.org would be celebrating a victory instead of reporting a letdown.
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The lane splitting bill in Texas did not reach committee (or some other technical term). The issue is not dead however they basically kicked it back to concentrate on other pressing issues like education funding, etc.
It is possible that it could be re-introduced at a later date however it is currently ILLEGAL to lane split in Texas. If anyone is interested I can provide links to another board (Two Wheel Texans) that goes more into detail including the efforts of a fellow biker who was sponsoring the bill.
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I sent my friend, who spent ten years in Japan (and who revisited recently) a copy of that link. Here was his perpective on it...
Ah, my mind goes back to those halcyon days of riding in Tokyo. I know
this road - the Chou Expressway. In the video it appears to be the
average weekday traffic with all those trucks, (most are not allowed on
local streets). The traffic appears to be not so heavy since there are
spots where it is actually moving faster than snails, (that, in fact makes
it more dangerous since it would be better to tackle those lanes in a
gridlock - which does often happen). This lane splitting is legal and the
norm in Japan. I myself did allot of it - but not at that speed. Also,
that Virago 250 of mine was way too wide to slip through some of those
fissures. The big difference between doing this in Japan and in the
states is that drivers are quite aware of the "sub-traffic pattern" of
motorcycles that trickle through the cracks. Truck and car drivers are
taught to leave space to bikes. Even as a cyclist, I would be constantly
checking for highballing bikers trying to overtake me - sometimes passing
me while we're both between trucks! I was just on this expressway last
December, taking a bus to a train station - strange - I was watching those
lane splitters thinking how crazy it for me was to even attempt this years
ago. It's much safer to split lanes on the local roads - at least you can
stop to change your underwear if things get too close. By the way, one
time, coming back from a camping trip, Gitti and I were on the Virago
loaded down with camping gear - there was a thirty-mile long gridlock on
the highway in front of usgoing into Tokyo. We ended up following the
stream of motorcycles that were weaving their way through the traffic -
one the wrong side of the highway! I remember being in this strange
state-of-mind that this was perfectly normal - just trust in the hundreds
of motorcycles heading upstream - nothing could go wrong!
...pretty interesting, eh? :grin:
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So you're one of those (jerks) who zips up between cars and then hops out in front of everyone at the red light? In my experience, this behavior is limited to the same riders who weave from lane to lane (with no blinker, so nobody has any idea what you might be doing), what I label "terrorist driving/riding" (and yes, I have seen cars do it. I *can* do that, but I *choose* not to do so because I believe it's selfish and causes bad feelings towards bikers.
I have not said I am against lane splitting, but motorcyclists have to show basic courtesy to car drivers if they want courtesy from car drivers, and cutting them off (which is the element of this video that I keep pointing to) or otherwise showing your ass is not the way to show or get that courtesy.
Our TN ABATE org is workign towards getting emergency lane use legalized in this state, because we simply do not have the traffic snarls that make lane splitting logical. But who, no matter what they drive, hasn't used the emergency/breakdown lane to over to the next off-ramp when traffic is puttering along or just sitting?
Bikes can do things cars can't do, and smaller cars can do things bigger cards can't do. But what you do is up to you (and the laws of your locale)...
It's not a matter of polite it's a matter of safer for me. Mice do not try to pass through a room of cats politely. They dodge and weave for all they are worth. Cars may not be actively looking to make a snack of me, but if they were at least I wouldn't have to worry about being an unnoticed inadvertent lump of goo in someone's wheel well. "Sorry mate, I didn't see you" does not make me feel better about getting sqooshed. Cagers don't see us no matter what we do and when they do see us they generally don't like us no matter how polite we are.
Now if you like self serving justifications, try this one on for size. When I filter to the front of the line I am actually being polite to my cage driving bretheren. By filling in the empty spaces at the front and getting out of the way quickly I am removing one more vehicle from an already too long line thereby getting the cages through the intersection faster :bigok:
Sven, Just try it, you know you want to, it feels so good, get the banana dancing, split them lanes (remember to have your pirate knife handy)
Oh! And stay out of those break down lanes. That stuff will get you squished :wink:
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I live in a smaller city without too much traffic, but I roadtripped to San Diego last summer through the entire length of California. As many have noted, driving becomes a different animal in more densely populated areas. I learned of the lane-splitting before I left and was a little nervous at first. However, once I encountered afternoon traffic in LA, I quickly adapted. My buddy and I often "bike-pooled" with others also splitting lanes. This seemed most safe, seeing that most drivers would be pretty aware after 2/3 bikes wizzed by. I also noticed that many drivers would shift in their lanes to create more space when they spotted bikes coming up on them. If done with caution, it seems to be as safe as any other driving/riding. However, as a qualifier, I have to say that Oregon drivers are the most oblivious drivers I have ever encountered and that leagalizing lane splitting would likely not be a good idea here (as much as it pains me to admit that!).
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bike-pooling, good one!
Yes, my first time in a traffic jam i got towed by a group of UK riders. I just followed them while they were lane splitting. Also every time they noticed a car made place for them, they always gave a "thank-you" sign, which i have adopted as well.
I don't think there should be any fuss about it, each method has it's pro's and con's. Cars shield you from the elements, but are bulky. With bikes, it's vice-versa. And in a traffic jam, why should one get mad if there is somebody that has a real chance of not getting late at work or school?
The second time i was lane splitting, i passed a cars, just like all the others, but one driver obviously didn't like the idea i was getting further than them. The moment i passed him he yelled right at me full power, it was a scare, but i didn't swerve and hit any car. But now, i think about how pathetic his action was, he's still stuck there, while i'm practically home already. And every other car that gets mad about this, i just use the same reasoning, and i forgive them :motorsmile:
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lane splitting is like orally stimulating your partner
you can still get an STD = you can still crash your bike
but it just makes so much sense once you've figured it all out :beers:
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Man do I feel like a safe driver! I won't complain about traffic ever again.. Was that the CEO of Suzuki late for a meeting? :boohoo:
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I think one of the reasons people dislike bikes doing it here in the states is that we as a country are selfish (SP?) I know a lot of guys at work are like "why should bikes get to get somewhere they are going faster than me just becuase they are on a bike that is BS so I'm going to try to make him wait just as long as me"
To me Lanesplitting is safe if done responsibly (*just like everything else anyone does) and is not only an advantage of owning a motorcycle (in my eyes) but also removes one more vehicle from the traffic equation.
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:shock: That was cool, I think I threw up a little. The only way I'd ride like that is if I had a note from God hisself. :shock:
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Hi
Lane splitting in the video was a bit quick, but lane splitting is pretty normal around here (UK). Certainly to the front of a queue at traffic lights where you can make a good getaway and be out of everyone way.
If you aren't going to lane split then 90% of the reason for using a bike around a city disappears.
All the best
Keith
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Yes, I like! :banana:
"You give me a choice between responsibility and a bean burito, and I'll take the burito every time."
Maximus Fastus Irresposibilitus
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I :monkeymoon:
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Actually he was doing a pretty good job and staying in one lane. Did this for 8 years every week day between Ontario and Long Beach CA bases, 50 miles each way, and yes a guy cut me off but I brought the ass end around and spread the impact across the bike (GS650G) and car and ended up just bruised and riding the next week. Being a biker yourself be careful how you wish calamity on other riders my friend as you my find your self smeared on the highway one day eating your words...
This guy (?) rides so aggressively and rudely, that I was really hoping someone would open a car door and wallop him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-MtXymQkjs&search=motorcycle
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I'm just glad I do live in the sticks.(outside Erie 10 miles) may not be the sticks compaired to the places I refer to as the sticks,but I don't have the hustle bussel traffic you see in the big cities.
Lane splitting isn't legal in the Commonwealth of Pa.(as far as I know) But I still get flipped off a couple X a yr.(passing in no passing zones,or just even passing on a back highway road where someone thinks I'm going too fast) :wtf:
I surely wouldn't have the goknads to ride like that fella though (maybe just more common sence)
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I dont see any problem with it in Japan. japanese drivers dont have the animosity that American drivers do. They would not consider opening a car door to stop someone on a bike from splitting through the traffic solely because they, in their car, cannot.
Blue
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:monkeymoon:
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Agreed. In the times I was over there, nicest drivers I ever met.
I've only had one...make that two dickheads pull that stunt.
The first one got a kevlar encased glove in the face and after the doc's pulled his nose back in place, I'm sure some spiffy dental work. I probably have the fastest two finger front brakes on the planet and refuse to allow some squid in a cage to mess with my day.
The 2nd one, some hosehead from Ohio, driving a campervan conversion. He thought he was cute until I peeled off behind him and the CHP that was on my tailpipe pulled him out of the van at gun point. Not only was he charged with reckless driving, he was also charged with "road rage" and in CA, that carries a mandatory jail term.
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HA HA! DUDE! Who are you trying to fool???
I know who you are! ....(personal attack removed - mod)... You were never in Japan! ....(personal attack removed - mod).... You crack me up! :monkeymoon: :banana: :gagme:
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My buddy has a KZ1000 auctioned police bike and never has a problem cutting traffic.
*Oh I see the moderator stepped in, Good. No one should resort to personal attacts, especially slander. Yes I know, even with an avatar..
(http://www.tackleunderground.com/forum/images/smilies/popcorn.gif)
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Agreed. In the times I was over there, nicest drivers I ever met.
I've only had one...make that two dickheads pull that stunt.
The first one got a kevlar encased glove in the face and after the doc's pulled his nose back in place, I'm sure some spiffy dental work. I probably have the fastest two finger front brakes on the planet and refuse to allow some squid in a cage to mess with my day.
The 2nd one, some hosehead from Ohio, driving a campervan conversion. He thought he was cute until I peeled off behind him and the CHP that was on my tailpipe pulled him out of the van at gun point. Not only was he charged with reckless driving, he was also charged with "road rage" and in CA, that carries a mandatory jail term.
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HA HA! DUDE! Who are you trying to fool???
I know who you are! ....(personal attack removed - mod)... You were never in Japan! ....(personal attack removed - mod).... You crack me up! :monkeymoon: :banana: :gagme:
Ha! Those werent personal attacks! All I said was that "Ranger" isn't the tuff-guy know-it-all he pretends he is, that's all!
If he really broke some guys nose with his "kevlar encased glove", how does he know what the doctor did later? It's just a made-up story, like most everything else he says!
How come he spends so much time on here being nasty to other people?
Whatever! If you guys want him and his bad attitude around here it's your problem! :monkeymoon:
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Ha! Those werent personal attacks! All I said was that "Ranger" isn't the tuff-guy know-it-all he pretends he is, that's all!
If he really broke some guys nose with his "kevlar encased glove", how does he know what the doctor did later? It's just a made-up story, like most everything else he says!
How come he spends so much time on here being nasty to other people?
Whatever! If you guys want him and his bad attitude around here it's your problem! :monkeymoon:
I'm in and out here a lot, and havent read all the posts on the board, so Ranger may or may not be "whatever".
It doesnt matter. You can only be offended if you decide you want to be. I just pass over the superficial stuff.
BTW I lived in Yokohama for three years.
Blue
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How come he spends so much time on here being nasty to other people?
Whatever! If you guys want him and his bad attitude around here it's your problem! :monkeymoon:
Speaking as one of the "other people" Ranger has been nasty to, I've learned to ignore him anymore.
But browsing the different topics here it's hard to avoid him, his posts are everywhere.
It's amusing to be the object of someone's infatuation. For over a month now Ranger has been making snide references and insulting remarks towards me in his posts and even in his signature line. Of course he will deny this, and accuse me of being "overly-sensitive", but that would be untrue. He knows it. One only has to peruse his post history to see.
I can only wonder at the mentality of such obsessive behavior. That's a lot of time and energy he must spend thinking of me and new ways to take "pokes" at me. I suppose it's something better left for a therapist or psychologist to explain, but it seems like a personality disorder of some type to me.
Anyway. If Ranger is not the person he pretends to be, it wouldn't suprise me in the least.
As to the topic at hand, I've done my share of lane-splitting, and there's a place for it in certain situations. But to indulge in this practice all the time is probably unwise. Just doing it to "stick it in the face" of car drivers is rude and gives us all a bad name. But if it's legal and done with caution then what's the problem? :wink:
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HA HA! DUDE! Who are you trying to fool???
I know who you are! ....(personal attack removed - mod)... You were never in Japan! ....(personal attack removed - mod).... You crack me up! :monkeymoon: :banana: :gagme:
Last time I checked, there weren't any CHP's pulling people over and charging them with violating CA's road rage law. :duh:
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As to the topic at hand, I've done mt share of lane-splitting, and there's a place for it in certain situations. But to indulge in this practice all the time is probably unwise.
Having lived in Japan, Europe and lived & rode in California, I see no problems lane splitting in its proper context - clogged, slow moving or stopped cage traffic. Especially when it is an expected norm. Problems can arise if the drivers aren't used to it - like the 49 other states, or drivers from those states put into a lane splitting tolerated location, or some bozo splitting legal speed limit moving traffic at extra-legal speeds.
Just doing it to "stick it in the face" of car drivers is rude and give us all a bad name. But if it's legal and done with caution then what's the problem? :wink:
EXACTLY!
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Agreed. In the times I was over there, nicest drivers I ever met.
I've only had one...make that two dickheads pull that stunt.
The first one got a kevlar encased glove in the face and after the doc's pulled his nose back in place, I'm sure some spiffy dental work. I probably have the fastest two finger front brakes on the planet and refuse to allow some squid in a cage to mess with my day.
The 2nd one, some hosehead from Ohio, driving a campervan conversion. He thought he was cute until I peeled off behind him and the CHP that was on my tailpipe pulled him out of the van at gun point. Not only was he charged with reckless driving, he was also charged with "road rage" and in CA, that carries a mandatory jail term.
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HA HA! DUDE! Who are you trying to fool???
I know who you are! ....(personal attack removed - mod)... You were never in Japan! ....(personal attack removed - mod).... You crack me up! :monkeymoon: :banana: :gagme:
Ha! Those werent personal attacks! All I said was that "Ranger" isn't the tuff-guy know-it-all he pretends he is, that's all!
If he really broke some guys nose with his "kevlar encased glove", how does he know what the doctor did later? It's just a made-up story, like most everything else he says!
How come he spends so much time on here being nasty to other people?
Whatever! If you guys want him and his bad attitude around here it's your problem! :monkeymoon:
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1. You know for a fact he's never been to Japan?
2. So what if the story is true, half-true or a total fabrication. What difference does it make to any of us here?
3. I see absolutely NOTHING in his post you quoted that is a sign of meanness or nastiness toward anyone here - unless maybe you're the driver from Ohio or the one who tasted kevlar.
and last but not least... oftentimes people will post something that's meant to be funny or a little sophmoric, like many will do among their "real world" friends. Sometimes these don't come off right since there's no voice tone inflection. I suggest if you can't clear things up between parties, these parties need to ignore each others' posts rather than contiually drag this BS up time after time after time.
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Speaking as one of the "other people" Ranger has been nasty to, I've learned to ignore him anymore.
But browsing the different topics here it's hard to avoid him, his posts are everywhere.
It's amusing to be the object of someone's infatuation. For over a month now Ranger has been making snide references and insulting remarks towards me in his posts and even in his signature line. Of course he will deny this, and accuse me of being "overly-sensitive", but that would be untrue. He knows it. One only has to peruse his post history to see.
I can only wonder at the mentality of such obsessive behavior. That's a lot of time and energy he must spend thinking of me and new ways to take "pokes" at me. I suppose it's something better left for a therapist or psychologist to explain, but it seems like a personality disorder of some type to me.
Anyway. if Ranger is not the person he pretends to be, it wouldn't suprise me in the least.
:stop: :stop: :stop: ENOUGH ALREADY! :stop: :stop: :stop:
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Just telling it like it is. Look for yourself. :beers:
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That was then, this is now.
Can't we just leave that all behind and move forward and quit diggin up the past like an old nag?
:stfu: :annoy: :soapbox:
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That was then, this is now.
Can't we just leave that all behind and move forward and quit diggin up the past like an old nag?
Sorry, but this is now. Look at Ranger's sig line. Who do you think it's directed towards?
"If I wanted an opinion, I'd ask somebody who actually owned a Bandit".
He knows I'm still waiting for my bike.
This has been going on for a month now, it's ridiculous. I've never seen such obsessive behavior.
This is the first time I've addressed it in weeks. Now it's my bad?
What am I supposed to do, just let it go on forever without calling him on it?
All he has to do is drop it already and it's over.
Excuse me for defending myself and being an "old nag"!
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Paul I was there on the side of I-805, you weren't. The CHP is actively arresting motorists down here and charging them with roadrage when it occurs and they see it or there is sufficient evidence to prove it. I can point out several cases that get tried on a weekly basis. I had to appear in court as a witness for the state when that clown got arrested.
I'm not calling you a liar. I just said what difference does it make if the story is true or made up.
Ah, Japan. Paul, you remember when FedEx bought out the Flying Tigers air routes? Remember all those 747 200's sitting off the runway or the 727 100's that were no longer air worthy? You should be able to look up the info and verify.
I was one of the ramp managers (working out of Boeing Field) in charge of converting those stations over to US operations and spent many months over there...And other locations as well.
I remember the FedEx buyout, but I was in Japan a lot earlier than that... I flew from San Francisco to Yokohama in a PanAm Boeing 720 and from Yokohama to Nagasaki in a Flying Tigers Douglas DC-3... :lol:
Even had some brand new Tokyo Olympics souvenir shirts back then... so you can look that up to see when I was there. :stickpoke:
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Note to Mr. Complaint Department, dba squeekywheel: The vendor you so viciously maligned and cross posted on other sites was gracious enough to publicly apologize for any misunderstanding you may have incurred during your brief phone conversation.
So much for your manners and motives.
WHAT? "Viciously maligned"? Where the hell do you get off twisting what I said around like that?
I had a phone conversation with the owner of a business where he was rude and interruptive. I CALLED TO INQUIRE ABOUT BUYING A SLIP-ON, but never got the chance. You keep accusing me of not buying his product. I TRIED TO.
Anybody can go see my post in "Product Reviews". It's titled "Negative Holeshot Experience". There is NO "malicious maligning", only a description of the phone conversation and a critique on his manners.
BESIDES, WHAT'S IT TO YA??? Ever since that complaint you've been dogging me, spreading around your snide comments, stupid innuendos and smarmy quips. WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH YOU? Why have you appointed yourself "Official ZenMan Harrasser"?
GET OVER IT AND LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE!!!
What I find most interesting is anyone that doesn't even own a Bandit would come over here, talking shit and attempting to tell others (including the moderators) they know better or their feelings got hurt and they want something done about those big bad internet bully's.
There's an old saying "If you're tired of being annoyed, try not to be too annoying"
BULLCRAP! I have not ONCE ever "talked shit" or tried to tell anybody I "know better", unless it was defense against you or CWO's attacks on me or my new bike. I've asked questions and shared what I do know, THAT'S WHAT FORUMS ARE FOR.
Between you and CWO, you've said all you could think of to actually CRITICIZE AND DOWNGRADE THE '07 BANDIT 1250 SIMPLY BECAUSE I HAPPEN TO BE BUYING ONE, pretty damn childish and outrageous!
As far as "not owning one", you KNOW I have a cash deposit down and I'm waiting for my bike to come in. WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM?
ALL THIS CRAP JUST BECAUSE OF A POST I MADE ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE OVER A MONTH AGO! What kind of sick, obsessive mentality would continue to harrass and malign someone else after all this time? Especially since I'VE NEVER DONE ANYTHING TO YOU PERSONALLY!?!?
All you have to do is LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE. Keep me out of your posts, sig line, or whatever other snide way you can think of to take your stupid pokes at me. THINK YOU CAN DO THAT???
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Ranger, ALL THIS CRAP BECAUSE OF THIS:
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 3:13 pm Post subject: Negative Holeshot Experience
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"I was on the phone last night with Dale Walker of Holeshot Performance and I have to say it wasn't a very pleasant experience. He was very rude, arrogant, and extremely interruptive. Every time I started to ask something he would drown me out.
I realize that everyone has their "bad hair days", but I also believe in polite, helpful service, especially when dealing with a new customer such as myself.
I had called him to ask what he knew about the new '07 1250 Bandit. I was interested in purchasing one of his Comp 2 slip-ons for experimenting with my new bike when it arrives next month.
He argued with me that I wouldn't be able to install it, even though he didn't know what the new pipe dameter was. I said I could make my own elbow pipe to adapt it, and he got very sarcastic and told me "yeah, right, good luck wth that, buddy".
He also told me that my Suzuki dealer was "full of crap" and that there was no way that I could receive my new Bandit before he could get one. My dealer happens to be a very nice older couple I have dealt with over several excellent purchases, and they had ordered this bike months ago and therefore are at the top of the waiting list. But Mr. Walker insisted that they were "lying to me" and that he "would get one before I or anybody else would". There was no way Suzuki was going to send a new model to "some lousy little dealership" before sending him one.
By the way, I'm in my 50's and I'm not used to being talked to in such a disrespectful manner and tone.
I have no idea of the performance or quality of Holeshot Performance Products, but I certainly will never find out now. Customer service is at the top of my list when dealing with companies, and Dale Walker failed miserably in that department."
AFTER ALL THIS TIME YOUR STILL FLIPPING ME SH*T OVER THAT??? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU???
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[Mod Hat On] Nearly the entire fourth page of this thread has nothing to do with "Lane-splitting". I am respectfully asking all participants to stay on-topic with that regard.
The personal issues being gutted and splayed all over this forum are tiresome and unnecessary - regardless of who you think is at fault. Take it to the P/Ms or to imbetterthanyou.com but leave the attacks and other crap posts out of here (or other B/A forum as well).
Some members may find this stuff amusing but rest assured there are many who don't. Changes will be made if necessary. [/Hat Off]
We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread. :thanks:
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Tex, I apologize to you and the members who are tired of all this crap. Sorry.
It's just that enough is enough. It's gotta end somewhere.
I hope this is the end of it. I've said my piece here, back to lane-splitting. :beers:
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Jesus christ... where are all those "Critical Database Errors" when you need them. They were more enjoyable than this bullshit.
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I remember the FedEx buyout, but I was in Japan a lot earlier than that... I flew from San Francisco to Yokohama in a PanAm Boeing 720 and from Yokohama to Nagasaki in a Flying Tigers Douglas DC-3... :lol:
Even had some brand new Tokyo Olympics souvenir shirts back then... so you can look that up to see when I was there. :stickpoke:
Dang, you are an old fart :stickpoke:
I was in Seoul, 1988 Olympics. Spent 3 months over there, getting everything ship shape, got tons of shirts and "flash".
Loved the food and the people, only wish I could go back in a month or two.
Well, not THAT old... I was in Japan as a kid. My father was stationed in Sasebo with the Marine Barracks at the US Navy base. He had to deal with the fairly common "Yankee Go Home" demostrations around the base, put on by mostly college age folks. We lived off-base and all our neighbors were friendly.
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My first assignment was aboard the USS Midway CV41 Carrier in Yokosuka Japan 11/74-76. Loved the south pacific tour of 12 countries so much I crossed decks for another tour aboard the 7th fleet flag ship USS Oklahoma City CG-5 missile cruiser 76-78. Visiting all those ports I think I experienced 1 full life time before returning state side. In japan I commuted on the weekdays when the ship was in port between Yokosuka and Yokohama about 18 miles on a 10 speed bicycle occasionally SPLITTING TRAFFIC on the main traffic routs were awful dangerous but beautiful on the side routes, even got hit once but thankfully just bruised. Personal honor is such a big part of the Japanese character that you could never lose a wallet without having it return (except on base) and could never out buy them on hospitality or drinks. Some hated Americans which they demonstrated mostly through indifference while others felt that the war had formed an inseparable future relationship between the two countries and felt obligated to show respect and an attempt at mutual friendship. What can I say, If I could do it all again I would (OH! Subic Bay).
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Gee, the original thread about lane-splitting was hot enough! Still, I have to take some pride that today's hottest threads are mine!
Next up: Inmate babydaddies and the women who love them. Stay tuned!
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I promise to leave the guns and knives at home
Wow, what a bad, scary guy! You better be careful, they have LOTS of guns and knives in Tennessee, and they don't put up with Yankees with bad attitudes down there! :wink:
I KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!! :banana: :banana: :banana:
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Hey douchebags - ANY more personal attacks and your profile will be deleted. It's like talking to my phucking son! Grow up.
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"Germantown TN" huh? I rode through there couple of years ago looking for a hardley dealer to get a new windshield. I may be down there this fall, we should go for a ride.
We have three HD dealerships in the area, plus the world's greatest marketing concept ever, Graceland Harley Davidson, across the street from the King's mansion. They mostly stock merchandise, but they plan to offer a series of 30 custom bikes to commemorate the 30th anniversary of EP's (faked) death.
So, yeah, PM me when you come this way, and we'll try to set something up.
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Damn....that guy is the Japanese Valentino Rossi, IMO.
Can you say kamikaze ??? His stones are WAYYYYYY bigger
than mine ever were.... :shock:
I live in a province/state of NO lane splitting and a city of 1MM
so the traffic is just not that intense.....and have never had the opportunity to ride where it IS legal so have no opinion on that one way or another. After that vid, though, I can see the attraction and (in that type of daily traffic) the necessity for it.
Yeah, maybe he was going somewhat too fast in places but, dang, that boy can ride. His reactions and distance judgement
are things I'd like to have....but at my age that ain't going to happen. :grin:
Admire may be the wrong word.....rather, appreciate his skill for what it is. He's a talented lad, IMO.....although he MAY not live as long as he'd like to if he keeps up that kind of riding....
It's all fun until someone gets an eye poked out.....:wink: