Author Topic: Night or day ? (Read 10007 times)

interfuse · « **Reply #30 on:** November 25, 2006, 11:32:13 AM »

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Day or night, ride your own ride.

I totally agree. I have a bunch of friends who ride, but I usually avoid going out with 'em. I find riding in a group too much too keep track of.

stormi · « **Reply #31 on:** November 25, 2006, 02:41:18 PM »

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Ah yes, that's right. I remember that shot. It's a really wonderful shot. It's a great mood and really gives the bike character. Interesting story on it's making!

Thank you! I think that story tells you how crazy you have to be to take photography seriously. I don't know a sane pro or semi-pro at all. I guess motorcycles were a natural progression for me.

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I don't remember asking you for a copy of it, although I may have, as it's a nice shot.

Oh crap,... I had it in my head that it was you. The nick started with a V and I thought the person was from the East Coast,.. New Jersey looked right. I guess you don't work in a cube then either eh?

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I suspect you shot that with film and not a digital, right?

Correct, it was a Bronica ETRSi ( medium format) camera with a film back, what gave it away?

Interfuse - a wank session? What's the difference between stock photography and real photography?

interfuse · « **Reply #32 on:** November 25, 2006, 06:21:41 PM »

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What's the difference between stock photography and real photography?

Seeing we've already jumped the track...

About $1,500-5,000 a shot. Depending one what kinda usage your after. And with a real photographer you can get a series of shots that actually work together... with royalty free thats not so easy. I'd much rather hire a real photographer... but budgets rarely allow for it.

CWO4GUNNER · « **Reply #33 on:** November 26, 2006, 01:23:09 AM »

OK it happened. On the way back from the family thanksgiving in LA, I miss calculated my arrival time back home to BHC Arizona and had to my B12 through the desert night roads for the last 90 minutes of the ride. Talk about darkness and chillier weather, and if that is not bad enough I almost hit a giant Owl sitting on the roadway like a Lawn troll. I missed it by inches and almost hit my bike when it took off flying. So as I said I will defiantly try and avoid riding at night again.

Vidrazor · « **Reply #34 on:** November 26, 2006, 05:02:31 AM »

>>I find riding in a group too much too keep track of.<<

I find riding in a group a great way to get a speeding ticket...

snofrog · « **Reply #35 on:** November 26, 2006, 12:27:43 PM »

there are several videos on the net of bike deer collisions and the one thing they all have in common... shot during the day

need I say more ?

stormi · « **Reply #36 on:** November 26, 2006, 06:21:10 PM »

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About $1,500-5,000 a shot. Depending one what kinda usage your after. And with a real photographer you can get a series of shots that actually work together... with royalty free thats not so easy. I'd much rather hire a real photographer... but budgets rarely allow for it.

Ahh,.. slight correction. A stock photographer IS a real photographer, and does not always submit their images to royalty free stock libraries. In fact, most don't. Some stock photographers get paid in the range that you mention for stock images, more often it's much lower though. Royalty free libraries are a way to get exposure. They're a marketting tool, which is also why you rarely find a photographer's best images in them.

The main difference between stock photography and "real" photography as you call it, is the way that the images come about, and how they are licensed.

Stock images are made by real photographers, they are considered "generic" enough or to have enough mass appeal that they can potentially be used for more than one type of ad or otherwise. Their copyright generally stays with them, but may be sold in part or in whole depending on the scope or use of the image (depending on the contractual agreement)

The other sort of photographer that you're talking about takes "assignments". In general, this is a project for one person or entity, and the copyright remains often with the client, but depends solely on the contract in place.

interfuse · « **Reply #37 on:** November 26, 2006, 08:03:34 PM »

I guess it's a live by the sword die by the sword type of situation. I know lots of photographers who are starving for work now because of stock photography (royalty free and rights managed). IMO I prefer custom shots. You can always capture exactly the feeling and tone you're looking for.

stormi · « **Reply #38 on:** November 27, 2006, 01:29:38 PM »

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I almost hit a giant Owl sitting on the roadway like a Lawn troll. I missed it by inches and almost hit my bike when it took off flying. So as I said I will defiantly try and avoid riding at night again.

Yeowch! Those are scary as hell eh? Our first trip to the mountains we did the same. We miscalculated and ended up riding a lot more in the dark than we wanted to back to the campsite. As we came around one twist in the road, I got divebombed by a bat ( I am really terrified of them too,.. for no real logical reason) and nearly dumped the bike. Then on the last km from the campsite, there was a huge friggin Owl that decided it liked the light from my headlight. He was close enough I could have reached out and touched him as he crossed my path. I, however, was too busy ducking and trying to keep the bike between the ditches to touch him. If I hadn't been, I might have tried to tug a tail feather just to let him know it was a bad idea.

stormi · « **Reply #39 on:** November 27, 2006, 01:37:01 PM »

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I guess it's a live by the sword die by the sword type of situation. I know lots of photographers who are starving for work now because of stock photography (royalty free and rights managed). IMO I prefer custom shots. You can always capture exactly the feeling and tone you're looking for.

I do think that the stock libraries can be deterimental to a lot of photographers, but that's also largely because of the general public's acceptance of photography as an art. (or lack of acceptance)

It's hard to justify a photographer's price, if all you want is a couple of images for an ad. The perceived cost of an image is significanly lower to the client if they don't have to pay for all of the photographers time. ( As is generally the case with a stock image, because the photographer counts on the image to sell more than once, therefore the are able to charge less for licensing -per- sale. ) Therefore, the client is often willing to settle for close to what they wanted, instead of what they actually wanted.

That said, I prefer custom shots as well, and in my own case, if I want a particular shot, I usually just pull the camera out and make that image. Of course I have spent a lot of time and money getting to the point where I can usually do that, and I have my own "stock library" of images I can use for the things I typically need that are not close at hand.

H2RICK · « **Reply #40 on:** November 27, 2006, 02:25:09 PM »

I guess if Cowtown had a lot of nice nights (warmer than +20C or 68F) I might ride more at night. I'm a warm weather rider and Calgary only gets one or two nights in a summer where the temp stays up after about 11PM or so. I agree with gyrogearcrunch about the lighting thing. It is absolutely amazing what a good set of driving lights can do for your peace of mind at night. The G3 Bandit has a nice flat area under the bottom of the front of the fairing that would be perfect for mounting a couple of PIAA driving lights.....
if I had megabux and if I rode at night more often. Yep, there's certainly something to be said for a nice ride on a balmy evening.....

TK421 · « **Reply #41 on:** November 28, 2006, 04:42:42 AM »

In the stifling sauna that is the great state of Florida, night is when I do most of my summer riding. In the heat of the day even 60 seconds at a stop light can be unbearable. I frequently head out about 10pm and ride for a couple of hours. You definitely have to watch your speed as road hazards are obviously harder to see (in FL the ever-present sand in corners is a big one) but the lack of other traffic far outweighs those risks I think. I always head for the country and get away from the bar traffic.

I totally get the "spacy" thing that Vidrazor was talking about. I remember riding a lovely little road south of the town of Brooksville one night where I started going in and out of little wisps of fog just as the road started going up and down through a series of gentle rises. The road was lined with live oaks, and in places the branches completely over-arched the road, like a tunnel-- it was amazing, and it really did feel like I was flying. I think it has something to do with the way the darkness kind of shrinks your world a bit so you're sort of riding in your own little bubble.

If you can get comfortable with it, the rewards of night riding are many.