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GENERAL MOTORCYCLE FORUMS => PRODUCT REVIEWS => Topic started by: txbanditrydr on December 16, 2005, 12:06:13 AM
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I saw mention of this in the chain oiler thread and read all the reviews. The praises that were sung convinced me this is the chain lube I've been looking for... no fling, no dirt attraction, goes on clear, yada, yada, yada. So I plunked down my 7 bucks and bought a can. For the next 500 miles I used this exclusively and I'm just not impressed.
What is written (in little tiny print) on the can is this is a waxed based lubricant. Since I have never used chain wax I can't comment on how it compares but the rollers never really seemed to be lubed to me. They were difficult to rotate unless you just finished a ride. I ended up lubing the chain every 50 miles since it just seemed gummy and dry. Perhaps that's the way it's supposed to be... dunno.
The application was a little messy too and pinpoint delivery was impossible resulting in lots of over spray and waste. I will say the chain did not get dirty with road grime but then it was caked with wax - probably because I used so much.
IMHO... don't waste your money - or better yet, I'll send you the rest of mine if you pay shipping. I have since gone back to my usual chain lube methods.
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I'll send you the rest of mine if you pay shipping
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: That bad, huh ! :lol:
I dislike the chain wax too, Maxima Chain wax turned me off. Eventually it always seemed to turn into a mess, even when I follow the directions to a tee.
I always liked Silkolene:
A 16oz can is around $7 at ridegear.com http://ridegear.com/store/product/F-18211_Pro_Chain_Lube.html
(http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3294/132915523tv.jpg) Pro Chain Lube Features:
-- First fully synthetic racing chain lubricant for motorcycles
-- Incorporates a micronized laminar solid lubricant, combined with advanced synthetics for resistance to shock loads
-- Developed for use in road and off-road competition but is equally suitable for street bike applications
-- Clear, clean, thin film of lubricant will not fling off
-- Outstanding lubrication and corrosion protection
-- Suitable for all types of O-ring and non O-ring chains
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IMHO... don't waste your money - or better yet, I'll send you the rest of mine if you pay shipping. I have since gone back to my usual chain lube methods.
Which is???? Has anyone ever looked in the owners manual and seen what the no nonsense zukster folks say??? use 15w40 m oil!!! Hey i started a while back doing it drench let it drip off and chain is clean and much smoother. Got to have time to drip off. and a coating of the sticky lube to kinda seal it in helps. J M 2 cents :beers:
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Yup :lol:
Gear Oil from autoparts store works too, and it already has a spout on the bottle. :wink: That's what I always used to use on my dirt bikes, no money when younger and needed cheap....
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Silkolene I posted above was info I got from Dale back in 2001. It's not a wax, but a semi synth lube designed for +100 HP bikes... It works great,but as with any lube/oil as it spins around the sprockets will fling at first. A spray of WD40 and shop towel takes it right off the guard and swing arm...
Chain wax is just a PIA... Have to warm the chain up, spray some on, then let it cool completely before riding for it to stick and lube... And it still builds up like a bunch of goo, especially when you try to clean it off when cold and gummy.
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Which is????
Well... I didn't really want to admit to my PITA chain lube methods but it starts with 80/90 gear oil in a homemade precision oiling device (squeeze bottle with tapered plastic tube that feeds from the bottom). I place one drop on each O-ring and one drop on the roller where it meets the side plate (one side only). Sounds like a chore but it take less than 2 minutes. I end up with some oil on the kickstand after the first 5 miles or so and then things stay pretty clean thereafter. I would much rather spend a little time putting the proper amount on the proper place than cleaning up the mess I have experienced with spray on lubes.
My name is Txbanditrydr - and I'm an.....oilaholic :beers: :beers:
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I saw mention of this in the chain oiler thread and read all the reviews. The praises that were sung convinced me this is the chain lube I've been looking for... no fling, no dirt attraction, goes on clear, yada, yada, yada. So I plunked down my 7 bucks and bought a can. For the next 500 miles I used this exclusively and I'm just not impressed.
Just curious, what size can and where did you get it? I just bought an 11oz spray can and the little squeeze bottle at the local Lowe's and both were under $5 apiece. Like you, I'd read the rave reviews, but I haven't had the chance to check it out yet.
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I got the 11 oz. spray can at Lowes..... just checked tonight and it was $4.95 - even less for the non-aerosol. They either lowered the price or I slept since buying it and can't remember.... couldn't find my receipt which irritates me almost as much as using the lube. I hope others find better success with it but honestly the praises sung on the other website were almost too positive - they must be getting a kickback or something.
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I look at it like this, if it sucks as a chain lube, I'll use it for the general household chores it's mainly advertised for. Supposed to last longer than WD-40. (Don't think I'd spray the inside of a distributor cap with it though.
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Paul... Try a Slick 50 squirt can sometimes for a household lube. Man that stuff is great... About the consistency of 3in1and it clings like crazy - It's teflon based.. I luv it on squeaky metallic moving parts in the house, it'll never squeak again... :beers:
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I saw mention of this in the chain oiler thread and read all the reviews.
Would anyone be willing to buy a couple of cans of this Dupont Teflon spray lube for me and ship it to me up here in the Great White North? I can't find this stuff anywhere in Canada, it's like it doesnt even exist! I can paypal your costs and something extra for your trouble if you like. We never get the good stuff up here!
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Txbanditrydr, you are not the only only "oilaholic" using gear lube.
I have used gear lube on my chains for over 40 years now and, so far, I have not seen anything better yet.
It does not gum up and attract abrasive dirt like some chain lubes and it has some nice exterme pressure additives that must be good in a high-load application like a drive chain.
It does drip some after application so I just wipe off the excess.
Also, it seems to be kind to the o-rings (it doesn't harm transmission seals so it must be okay for o-rings).
The only drawback is that it stinks. Some people might not like it but it reminds me of the smell of a Triumph shop where I worked in the early 70s so I kind of like it.
Try it, you might like it.
ps Lest you think me a Luddite, I have recently made the switch from hypoy 90 to the new synthetic gear lube.
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PJ1 Black Label.
I carry a can in my tank bag and lube my chain every 300 miles, adjust and clean it with kerosene every 1200 miles.
Put the bike up on the centerstand with the sidestand up. Start 'er up, put 'er in 1st, and let the rear wheel spin at idle. I use the little red straw to squirt two even lines of lube on each side of the rollers, on the top of the chain as it travels back to the rear sprocket, thus getting the lube on the inside of the loop where it's needed the most, and stays on the best. :wink: :motorsmile:
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Is NOBODY here down there in U.S territory willing to pick me up a few bottles of this stuff?. I'd love to order but no one in Canada sells it. U.S amazon (also listed) wont send to Canada!. I'd settle for the bottle as opposed to the spray, I was looking for a case ideally. I would re-imburse you fully for the purchase and shipping.
Either the cans or the bottles will work:
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C'mon banditos, wheres all the friendly Americans?
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IMHO... don't waste your money - or better yet, I'll send you the rest of mine if you pay shipping.
Not sure I've ever quoted myself but the offer still stands. P/M an address and I'll try to figure out how to get rid of my one and only can. :bandit:
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Anybody have any reports from using the DuPont stuff? I bought a can to use instead of the Chain Wax I had been using. The Chain Wax doesn't sling off, the DuPont does! There's a greasy streak across the centerstand, and inside the chain guard, but I've only used it twice (in about 1000 miles). Also, the chain got noisier, and is now to the point I need to replace it (12,000 miles, had 10,400 when I bought the bike). The chain has a few tight links that don't like to swivel. That's what is making it noisy since I started using the DuPont. They were tight before, but the DuPont apparently isn't as good as the Chain Wax
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Txbanditrydr, you are not the only only "oilaholic" using gear lube.
I have used gear lube on my chains for over 40 years now and, so far, I have not seen anything better yet.
It does not gum up and attract abrasive dirt like some chain lubes and it has some nice exterme pressure additives that must be good in a high-load application like a drive chain.
It does drip some after application so I just wipe off the excess.
Also, it seems to be kind to the o-rings (it doesn't harm transmission seals so it must be okay for o-rings).
The only drawback is that it stinks. Some people might not like it but it reminds me of the smell of a Triumph shop where I worked in the early 70s so I kind of like it.
Try it, you might like it.
ps Lest you think me a Luddite, I have recently made the switch from hypoy 90 to the new synthetic gear lube.
I HAVE BEEN USING THE DUPONT FOR JUST OVER A YEAR AND I GENERALLY LIKE IT.....
HOWEVER.....I SUSPECT THAT IT IS NOT PROTECTING MY CHAIN AS IT SHOULD.....
I REPLACED MY CHAIN ABOUT 8 MONTHS AGO AND I DON'T LIKE THE WAY THAT IT HAS BEEN OVER THE LAST 8 MONTHS.....
I TRULY HATE THE SMELL OF GEAR OIL.....BUT I WILL CLEAN MY CHAIN AND GIVE IT A TRY FOR THE NEXT FEW MONTHS AND SEE IF IT WORKS FOR ME.....
B-T-W.....DO YOU FIND THAT YOU HAVE TO LUBE YOUR CHAIN MORE OFTEN WITH THE GEAR OIL?....
THANKS.....
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I just lube my chain on Saturday mornings. Mileage is variable and lube schedule is inexact.
I just use it in place of the recommended motor oil and it seems to work fine.
Because it does not build up like wax, there is no harm in doing it often - but, because it seems to leave a strong film, it lasts longer than oil.
Oh, and it smells like an old Triumph shop.
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Why does a sealed O ring chain need this much attention! U guys are killin it with kindness!! Want to use all that stuff on one get it without the X or O rings and boil it away like the old days B 4 there was super lube trapped in the key lube points by a seal. What happens when you use the solvents to clean the grung your breakin down the lube in the chain. Use Brake Kleen like some swear by and you just cut your chain life in half! I just replaced the OEM on my bandit on steroids. Dyno'd at 157 HP to the rear wheel a week b4 A trip to the dragon! Up and back with rides 1700 miles! Total on EK stocker 24,000 miles!!! Not binding, not kinked, not streached, still running smooth! But these things have a history of snapin em when you least expect it! Did need the primary though!
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Why does a sealed O ring chain need this much attention! U guys are killin it with kindness!!
The sealed O-rings do a great job of minimizing wear between the rollers and the pins in the chain, but do nothing for the friction between the rollers and the sprockets.
True, you don't want to use harsh chemicals to clean it, because that'll break down the O-rings and let crud get inside, defeating the purpose of an O-ring chain, but it still should be cleaned and lubed.