Bandit Alley
MODEL SPECIFIC => SUZUKI BANDIT 250 & 400 => Topic started by: gsxr400 racer on February 09, 2008, 03:41:29 PM
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/4-NEW-MOTORCYCLE-TIRES-michelin-pilot-race-110-70-17_W0QQitemZ190196902635QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item190196902635
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:thanks: Good deal but I run Dunlop.
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would you have to run a pilot race for the rear? is any one thinking about getting these? i was kinda interested in getting them, but i dont know if i want 4... also is a gsxr rim the same size as the bandits? i did some reading and i think it is.. just asking to make sure. also the tire one my bike now is a 120/60.. so the last owner just used that tire because its a more popular size?
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would you have to run a pilot race for the rear? is any one thinking about getting these? i was kinda interested in getting them, but i dont know if i want 4... also is a gsxr rim the same size as the bandits? i did some reading and i think it is.. just asking to make sure. also the tire one my bike now is a 120/60.. so the last owner just used that tire because its a more popular size?
Id match the tires, easy enough to find popular sv tire, and id buy used sv rears off race bikes and have good front rubber if i was just a street rider. gsxr rim if stock 73 same as B4, 3.0" rim takes the 110. Yes i would say that is what he did. Im not buying cause i have a bigger rim and a stack of rubber that i may not use this year.
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I'd be interested in one,.. but probably no more than that. I have a front sitting in the shed for Dita right now that's un-used. A dunlop if I recall, picked up cheap at the Scona Garage sale.
However,... let me ask my dad,.. I can't recall what size his CBR600F1 takes, it seems to me he was trying to pawn off one of his tires on Dita at one time....
If I would take one or two off you the next time you came through Edmonton, would that help?
Previous owner might have gotten the 120 because he had more selection with that size...
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hmmm dont know how many racing sv's there are around here.. also they don't make these tires anymore... so i think real matching would be real hard. i was thinking to match with a pilot power. but i will call michelin tomorrow see what they say.. but doubt they will be any help.
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piot powers piot race same same run them just run all mich.
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piot powers piot race same same run them just run all mich.
Ahem,.. Huh??
Anyone got a Jay translator? :wink:
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lol Pilot power pilot race same same damn near would never now a differnece on such a small bike even better that the race one is in the front.
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Small bike or not, the difference between the Pilot Power and the 2CT version is very noticable :grin: Except for the BT45 tires that were on the bike when I bought it, I've only ridden Pilot Power and Pilot Power 2CT, these tires have never ever let me down. Although I am eager to try the new Bridgestone BT-016 when it comes out. I've read the BT-016 front tire has 3 different compounds and the rear tire has 5. I'm hoping these will give more feedback during a slide than the Pilot Powers.
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:motorsmile:
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well.. i got them, i kinda dont think they will give more feed back from the reading i have been doing on these tires. it says they need to be warmed up. but that goes for all tires i guess, but more important for racing ones like these. but i do hope to go racing this summer tho. but i am kinda intimidated to, and lack experience of driving a motorcycle, but very experienced on a bike, and a very quick learner. hope full i can use a couple of those tires this summer, i plan on doing a lot of riding.
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but i do hope to go racing this summer tho. but i am kinda intimidated to, and lack experience of driving a motorcycle
You should be a little intimidated. That is until you try it. :motorsmile:
If you want to go racing, learn to ride on the track 1st. You can take the Fast Riding school (http://fastridingschool.com/) at Shannonville or the Turn2 (http://www.turn2.ca/arc1.htm) guys put on a good school also. It's not necessary but it will cut down on your chances of making heart breaking mistakes at the track. By heartbreaking I mean picking up your shiny bike in bits on some turn at Mosport or Calabogie. And make no mistake. If you want to race you will crash. It's not if but when. It's just the nature of the beast. A first good step is having good rubber and you have done that so now go to school.
G
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And make no mistake. If you want to race you will crash. It's not if but when. It's just the nature of the beast.
G
I second that down twice in 6 years good track record but every time get faster. first was like a water ride slid on the grass real fun second time was at like 80-100 mph 1st turn not fun but i lived and nothing broken thank god for PPG (personal protective gear)
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oh i know i am going to crash, i have already come to terms that i will eventually crash on the street. oddly i am more scared to crash on the street then the track, my friends think i am crazy because of this. i know crashing can hurt, i crashed on my pedal bike and broke my wrist so bad i could barely use it for a year. i dont know what class i will run either... as i think there are only.. 5-8 400cc in calgary and e-town, including stormi. and i doubt any of them race. :sad:
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But,.. at the same time, r_outsider keeps pushing me to take it out to the track, and he's right. I'm starting to get stupider and stupider on the street. Time to don the leathers and get out there. My biggest hang up is I really don't want to low side dita. That would pretty much write her off.
On the street, less is controllable. You -should- be more afraid on the street. People are out to kill you on the streets. Curbs, trees, cars, buses... lots more to hit, and at least on the track, the other riders are aware of you.
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your up late to? i even have class at 8 in the morning. you could get slider for her, that would take a lot of the damage of a low slide... and a high side.. well.. any bike doesnt fair well from those. but i am scared to crash my bike as well.. but.. we only live once. might as well make it fun.
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oh i know i am going to crash, i have already come to terms that i will eventually crash on the street. oddly i am more scared to crash on the street then the track, my friends think i am crazy because of this.
I think your friends are crazy. At least on the track everyone is going in the same direction (unless they're crashing), there's usually run-off areas and other safety features for when you leave the circuit. On the street, there's cars coming at you from every which way - including the ones travelling in the same direction as you. It's pretty rare that there's any serious safety features if you leave the road and should you need an ambulance, it's very doubtful one will get to you faster on a public road than one can at the track.
OTOH, if you're a half-sane rider, you wouldn't be riding a race-pace on a public road either...
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Yeah - crashing is going to suck no matter where you do it but at the track your chances of just having rashed gear and maybe a broken collar bone are pretty good on the street... who knows.
Stormi - Like Kako said, get some sliders.
Kako - there may not be many 400s around but you can have fun chasing down the SVs! :wink: Hell on a tight track in a track-day environment, you can have A LOT of fun playing with the modern 600s and 1000s.
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Hell on a tight track in a track-day environment, you can have A LOT of fun playing with the modern 600s and 1000s.
Only if those guys are twats. The Bandit's problem is it's low height and center of gravity. You need a higher lean angle at the same corner speed than any race bike, as they have a higher center of gravity. Some other thing the B4 has is a frame that was not designed for racing use, believe it or not but I can feel the frame bend when I throw it into a corner or make a quick change of directions. Hell of a riding experience nevertheless, gotta love this thing under you, bending jumping and screaming... but still dead on it's cornering line :bigok:
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Stormi - Like Kako said, get some sliders.
I've already got them for the 919, bought them before I took possession of the bike ( had a lot of confidence in my ability, eh? :wink: )
I think I remember reading that pretty much any sliders that are long enough will do, so I will check a few places before we put her back on the road for the year. The other thing I've been entertaining is seeing if we can pick up a used (or new if my contract comes through) CBR125, and take that to the track, not so much to try to win, but to learn. Then when I'm more confident, bring the others out.
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your up late to? i even have class at 8 in the morning. you could get slider for her, that would take a lot of the damage of a low slide... and a high side.. well.. any bike doesnt fair well from those. but i am scared to crash my bike as well.. but.. we only live once. might as well make it fun.
Yeah, I'm not a real insomniac, but I do play one on this forum. :roll:
Had an interview for a contract today, and I -never- sleep before one of those.
I just keep picturing having to replace that tank after a dump or something. Of course it would get rid of the dent from when the KTM knocked the CR into it and gave her a souvenir . *sigh*
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who said anything about me owning a bandit.... even though i am on a bandit forum. on that topic how does the gsxr frame handle jay? it is aluminum so it should be stiffer. but they did switch to the 2 spur frame after this model, so maybe there was a problem. wasnt there a guy around that could get custom sliders done? i think the 125 would be a little small for the track. unless you wanted to race in that class. i think the new ninja would be much more fun. tho it looks like most of the companies are going to release a 250 version, so it might pay to do some research and maybe a little waiting.
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i think the 125 would be a little small for the track. unless you wanted to race in that class.
I like the size of the 125. Confidence inspiring for someone my height.
I was thinking that if they'd bring a CBR250 or something, that would be the cat's ass, but the 125 is nice in it's cheap buy in, and the cheap repair. I heard from the dealer that that lower cowl was something like $32 when it first hit the market, and the front cowl is something like $78. You almost wouldn't feel bad about exploding one or two of those. :lol:
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Hell on a tight track in a track-day environment, you can have A LOT of fun playing with the modern 600s and 1000s.
Only if those guys are twats. The Bandit's problem is it's low height and center of gravity. You need a higher lean angle at the same corner speed than any race bike, as they have a higher center of gravity. Some other thing the B4 has is a frame that was not designed for racing use, believe it or not but I can feel the frame bend when I throw it into a corner or make a quick change of directions. Hell of a riding experience nevertheless, gotta love this thing under you, bending jumping and screaming... but still dead on it's cornering line :bigok:
I'm not sure I'm bright enough to understand how a low COG is a detriment on the track. I could get to the edge of my tires and get my knee down as easy on the B4 as on the CBR.
Yeah, there are some twats that show up for trackdays on bigger, newer bikes. And twats or not, its fun to mess with them on the track. :lol:
Kako - sorry, forgot you were on the gixxer. Same applies. Still fun!
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oh ya.. stormi is a Honda girl now... traitor.. hahaha jk. but dam.. thats cheap to fix. i guess i just personally don't like those bikes just cuz i am tall, because i am 6,3 and if i am not mistaken i can flat foot my bike while sitting on the tank.. but it doesn't feel any smaller then other bikes. i took my sisters 636 out for a little ride and felt the same size. but as it sits right now i am scared just to get my drivers permit, i think i broke my toe tonight.. and my test is in under a month. but on a better note my mom just randomly offered to buy me racing boots.. i think its a sign. :lol:
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I'm not sure I'm bright enough to understand how a low COG is a detriment on the track. I could get to the edge of my tires and get my knee down as easy on the B4 as on the CBR.
Yeah, there are some twats that show up for trackdays on bigger, newer bikes. And twats or not, its fun to mess with them on the track. :lol:
Kako - sorry, forgot you were on the gixxer. Same applies. Still fun!
On the CBR you can have a higher cornering speed because you do not have to lean the bike as much as a B4 at equal speed.
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seems to me i timed a 125 and 2 600's thru the same corner once all same timeso im lost on what your saying :idea:
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The CBR125(as opposed to the RS125 2-stroke race bike)Stormi is talking about never made it to the US. It's been around Europe for a few years, the red brand brought it to Canada last year. It's cheap($3K CDN). It's small. It's light(240 lbs). It's nimble. It has all of 11 HP and tops out at 70 MPH. In short, it's the freaking go-kart of the sport bike world. So naturally quite a few guys bought them specifically for racing with each other on tight, kart type tracks. It's a blast to go into a corner 4 wide at 40 mph rather than 100! And while Stormi would do fine at a track day with either the 919 or the Bandit(especially the Bandit), she would probably have as much or more fun racing on a machine that was slower and presumably easier to control and not crash real hard on while learning the intricities of racecraft. And even if it did go down, the fairing is under $50 from Honda!
Kako-take that Gixxer to Stratotech. That track is MADE for smaller and nimbler bikes. Who cares what everyone else rides? From what I hear, it's tough to get a big machine out of second.
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that little race track looks fun. one thing now that i am really unsure of is getting the racing permit. all the tracks look like they have courses to get these permits. but are they all the same? can i use this permit anywhere? i tho it would be fun i will probly end up going to a bigger course as my buddy that lives up in fort mac who i will be riding with (and going to the track with) has a 636, so i dont think he will like small track to much. gotta learn how to go drag racing to, my sisters friend laughed at my bike when i told him it had 50hp. i asked him if he wanted to race for slips. because he has a turbo ed bmw, but we are just doing $50 some time this summer at bud park.
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Honda is bringing a 250 for race only... but it's not cheap like the 125 counter part.
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/12february08_honda_md250h.htm
That's Hondas replacement for the RS125, which is/was a pretty popular race bike. Make no mistake, it's purely a race bike and not a toy like the CBR. 44 horses doesn't sound like a lot until you realize that the bike only weighs 160 lbs...
http://world.honda.com/HRC/products/rs125r/index.html
The RS250's even more awesome-92 hp and 200 lbs.
http://world.honda.com/HRC/products/rs250r/spec/index.html
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that little race track looks fun. one thing now that i am really unsure of is getting the racing permit. all the tracks look like they have courses to get these permits. but are they all the same? can i use this permit anywhere? i tho it would be fun i will probly end up going to a bigger course as my buddy that lives up in fort mac who i will be riding with (and going to the track with) has a 636, so i dont think he will like small track to much. gotta learn how to go drag racing to, my sisters friend laughed at my bike when i told him it had 50hp. i asked him if he wanted to race for slips. because he has a turbo ed bmw, but we are just doing $50 some time this summer at bud park.
I'm pretty sure that when you go for the race school at Stratotech or Race City, you get a CMA or CMRC license, which should let you race at any properly sanctioned track in Canada. I don't have my road race license(and my motocross one is currently expired)so I'm just guessing. But you better sign up fast, if you want to go this year. Or you could just show up and do track days, which don't require a race license.
As for which track is better, I've asked a few riders, they all have different opinions. It doesn't seem to matter what size of machine they ride, either. It's just personal preference, whether you like big speed or a technical track. And Castrol Bud Capital Labatt whatever they call it now Raceway Park has a road course coming on as well. Personally, I think that any track is good.