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MODEL SPECIFIC => SUZUKI BANDIT 250 & 400 => Topic started by: winslo2 on May 15, 2005, 08:43:19 PM

Title: B400 cams by webcam
Post by: winslo2 on May 15, 2005, 08:43:19 PM
I have a set of cams that webcam made for my bandit 400.  Due to new circumstances(ie new wife) I won't be doing any more mods to the bandit.  My loss is your gain. $325.00 plus shipping.  I can accept paypal, or money order.  If interested, send me a pm.
Title: B400 cams by webcam
Post by: PitterB4 on May 15, 2005, 09:06:10 PM
Congrats on the nuptuals!   :congrats:

Should be a real cool mod for someone.
Title: B400 cams by webcam
Post by: winslo2 on May 15, 2005, 10:35:41 PM
Thanks!! :thanks:

I'm bummed about losing the cams, but hopefully the tradeoff will be worth it. :wink:
Title: Re: B400 cams by webcam
Post by: interfuse on May 15, 2005, 11:15:15 PM
Quote from: "winslo2"
Thanks!! :thanks:

I'm bummed about losing the cams, but hopefully the tradeoff will be worth it. :wink:


Wife, Bike, Wife, Bike... hmmmm... that's a tough one.

It would have to be a pretty special lady for me to trade in my bike...
Title: B400 cams by webcam
Post by: Red01 on May 15, 2005, 11:39:45 PM
It's much easier to find a bike you can live with than it is a woman, so the sacrifice is probably a good one... as long as she isn't forbidding motorcycles in the future.

Why can't you keep the bike and woman, especially a bike like a B4 that's not a high ticket item and is (I assume) paid for. Back in the dark ages, I managed to keep my bike when I first got married - and I was an unemployed student marrying a gal w/kids.
Title: B400 cams by webcam
Post by: PitterB4 on May 15, 2005, 11:41:49 PM
I don't think he's loosing his bike, just his mods budget.
Title: B400 cams by webcam
Post by: Red01 on May 15, 2005, 11:43:43 PM
:duh: OK, that makes sense. Especially after I go back and RTFP.  :duh:
Title: B400 cams by webcam
Post by: winslo2 on June 10, 2005, 11:45:05 PM
Well there is still hope.  I didn't get any interest, so I managed to talk a freind into helping me put the cams in.   :grin:  The cams are in the bike now.  Tomorrow, we adjust the valves and then button everything back up and take it for a ride.  I should be able to give a seat of the pants report tomorrow night, and then hopefully a dyno update the first part of next week.
Title: B400 cams by webcam
Post by: gsxr400 racer on June 11, 2005, 04:29:20 PM
cant wait to hear !!!! called them myself but my shop price was significantly different so i was a bit weirded out way to cheap for a set of cams (regrinds) 150.00 my cost from web
Title: B400 cams by webcam
Post by: duane on June 11, 2005, 06:43:04 PM
Do you need to adjust ignition the timing for these new cams?
Title: B400 cams by webcam
Post by: gsxr400 racer on June 11, 2005, 11:57:34 PM
no sir
Title: B400 cams by webcam
Post by: gsxr400 racer on June 11, 2005, 11:59:12 PM
Winslo , did you measure the lift before you put them in ?
Title: B400 cams by webcam
Post by: JmuRiz on June 13, 2005, 10:41:56 AM
Quote from: "gsxr400 racer"
cant wait to hear !!!! called them myself but my shop price was significantly different so i was a bit weirded out way to cheap for a set of cams (regrinds) 150.00 my cost from web

So was that the quote you got from webcam?  That does seem cheep, but I know they do a lot of work for a VW engine guy I know, so they seem to do good work, so I dunno....can't wait to see some dyno figures etc though!
Title: B400 cams by webcam
Post by: gsxr400 racer on June 13, 2005, 12:11:57 PM
yes they do good work , but the impression i got was that they just fixed them instead of made hypo cams they had said thet they just shipped a set out and it would cost me 150.00 for the same thing so im curious myself that why i wanted to know the lift difference from stock to those cause when i measure stock b4 versus my gsxr 400 cams they are signifcantly different!
Title: B400 cams by webcam
Post by: gsxr400 racer on June 17, 2005, 09:18:56 AM
YO WIN whats up? I got 4 sets of gsxr 400 cams now
Title: B400 cams by webcam
Post by: cdyer77 on June 17, 2005, 09:35:06 AM
Quote from: "gsxr400 racer"
YO WIN whats up? I got 4 sets of gsxr 400 cams now


Interested in getting rid of a set?
Title: B400 cams by webcam
Post by: JmuRiz on June 17, 2005, 10:37:08 AM
So basically the webcam is the same as the GSXR400 cam?  Interesting
Title: B400 cams by webcam
Post by: gsxr400 racer on June 17, 2005, 07:32:40 PM
no they are not the same! as the web , i was trying to get winslo to measure his before he put them in !! and yes  i will sell a set after i measure them all ! 1 set for sale $200.00 ill pay shipping in the states
Title: B400 cams by webcam
Post by: winslo2 on June 18, 2005, 02:31:53 AM
Sorry, I have run into a problem with the upgrade.  I will post the specs they sent with the cams tomorrow after work.  I also hope to run the bike on the dyno tomorrow afternoon and see if the running problem I have now is related to jetting or if it has something to do with cam timing or profile.  I was hoping for a drop in and gain performance like I did with my vstar, but so far I am down .5 horse and have poor throttle response.  Hopefully, I will know more tomorrow.  Sorry it took so long to post again, but I was too busy pulling my hair out to type.
Title: B400 cams by webcam
Post by: Thief400 on June 18, 2005, 02:34:53 PM
I think most of you will run into problems with trying to get more power with a cam change because the stock exhaust will only make power to 12500 rpm, even with a slip on this doesn't change as its the length and diameter of the header pipes the dictates where the power is made in the rpm band. To get the most out of a cam swap you normally have to install a good pipe, bigger carbs, adjust the ignition timing and many hours of dyno time dialing everything in.
Title: B400 cams by webcam
Post by: winslo2 on June 18, 2005, 07:42:02 PM
Ok, here are the results so far.  The cams threw the jetting off way more than I thought they would.  I got the pilot circuit leaned out enough that you can get the bike to rev up, but it is still way too rich on bottom.  Midrange and top end are too lean.  The power curve now at least matches what it was before the cam swap.  I think with some more jetting work tomorrow, I should have it where it needs to be.

The specs that webcam listed for these cams are as follows:

valve lift intake: .340
valve lift exhaust: .300
duration: 260 intake, 256 exhaust

I did take a caliper and measure both cams before install, but like an idiot I didn't write the measurements down so I don't remember what the difference was from stock.  I would assume webcam would know stock numbers for cams if they have this grind in there computer.  they listed this as a grind #98/15.
Title: B400 cams by webcam
Post by: winslo2 on June 19, 2005, 10:02:00 PM
Ok, I now have it much closer.  I need to drop the main a little bit more, as it is a bit too rich on the top end now.  I have now gained more power throughout the rpm range, with a peak gain so far of 4.3 horse.  The problem I need to address now, is getting the slides to raise faster.  So now it is on to air bleed changes.  The motor is still pulling at 13,000rpm and that is with a stock header and m4 slip-on.
Title: B400 cams by webcam
Post by: gsxr400 racer on June 28, 2005, 09:54:01 PM
Yo WINSLO got it figured out yet?
Title: B400 cams by webcam
Post by: winslo2 on June 29, 2005, 12:24:59 AM
Unfortunately, I have run into some delays as it is getting very busy at work leading up to the 4th of July.  Plus, I sold my vstar and bought a crashed roadstar warrior so I have been focusing on getting the vstar ready to go away and get the warrior ready for riding.  I hope to get the bandit dialed the week after the 4th, because the warrior will be on the road then and the vstar will be gone.  One of the mechanics at the shop thought the low end issues may be as simple as a carb sync.  He said the 600 Katanas used to act the same way when the carbs were out of sync.  I will keep you posted, but it hasn't gone as fast as I had hoped.  I can't blame anyone but myself though.  Too many projects going at the same time.
Title: B400 cams by webcam
Post by: gsxr400 racer on June 29, 2005, 01:13:44 AM
i here ya bro about the projects . thats a sweet bike ya bought id take that cruzer in a heart beat ive rode one when they first came out reminds me off a busa how hard thay pull off the line !
Title: B400 cams by webcam
Post by: winslo2 on June 29, 2005, 10:26:09 AM
Yeah, I'm really looking forward to it.  That's part of the reason it jumped in front on the list, because the speedstar stage IV engine parts show up today. :banana:
Title: Re: B400 cams by webcam
Post by: gsxr400 racer on June 29, 2005, 10:30:49 AM
Quote from: "winslo2"
Ok, I now have it much closer.  I need to drop the main a little bit more, as it is a bit too rich on the top end now.  I have now gained more power throughout the rpm range, with a peak gain so far of 4.3 horse.  The problem I need to address now, is getting the slides to raise faster.  So now it is on to air bleed changes.  The motor is still pulling at 13,000rpm and that is with a stock header and m4 slip-on.


WOW missed this part WINSLO , thats great 4.3 thats about what i got (5hp)from me taking out my b4 cams and putting in my gsxr 4 cams! good job :beers:  have you rode it on the street yet? :stickpoke:
Title: b400 cams by webcam
Post by: winslo2 on June 29, 2005, 11:09:17 AM
No, so far it has only been on the dyno because of the bottom end issue.
Title: B400 cams by webcam
Post by: gsxr400 racer on July 15, 2005, 10:08:28 PM
winslo, any luck yet or still working on the other one?
Title: B400 cams by webcam
Post by: winslo2 on July 16, 2005, 11:06:32 AM
I got the warrior done, and wanted to get back on the bandit this weekend, but it is supposed to be oppressively hot on sunday, so I don't know if I will be able to.