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MODEL SPECIFIC => SUZUKI BANDIT 250 & 400 => Topic started by: Wrider on March 22, 2011, 04:21:16 AM
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So I was reading about the CDI box, and I went to pull mine, checked, and yep dead...
Only it's not the transistor. Two of the resistors in there that are side by side managed to short (they're black and you can't read the color code, pretty much guaranteed).
So I went and checked, and can't really afford to spend a couple hundred on a new ignitor. I was wondering if someone would be so kind as to pull theirs and give me the color code of the resistors in there. The ones I'm talking about are the obviously burnt ones in the middle of the following picture.
(http://i51.tinypic.com/28i42gk.jpg)
I'd really appreciate that, and that way I could get the bike running for relatively cheap versus spending a lot of money I don't have!
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Does this help?
http://www.bandit.it/public/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forumid=38&topic_id=15526&viewmode=flat&sortorder=0&start=30
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(http://www.zan.it/Album%20immagini/Foto%20Moto/Bandit_400_Scricciola/centralina%20B4/HPIM6186.JPG)
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That's odd, it's a different box than I have. It's close but not the same. See next to where the two transistors are? How there are two resistors side by side? I have 4 total ones there and a lot busier circuit board.
(http://i53.tinypic.com/3134m7o.jpg)
Here's an overall pic of my board. You can see the two fried resistors in the middle there. Then there are two good ones to the left.
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Odd. What year?
The one here looks the same as the one I posted.
http://forums.banditalley.net/index.php?topic=431.0
What markings where on the outside of the CDI? It should look something like this:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/CDI-ignitor-ecu-bandit-400-gsf400-suzuki-/390251973190?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5adcd48a46#ht_2107wt_862
The part number may be different depending on the year.
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It's a 1993 US model. Haven't found a charcoal canister so pretty sure it's not a California model.
Part number is
JO4 32900-10D60
BB7701 5J06
Made in Japan by Kokusan Denki.
EDITED to include the second 7 after BB
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So I went pro-active and pulled them off of the board (not literally, desoldered them of course) and yep, burnt all the way through... :banghead:
So if someone gets a chance to take a picture of theirs or even just tell me the color codes and which one goes where, I'd really appreciate it!
I'm gonna be away from my computer until Saturday night, so if I don't respond right away I will then.
Hopefully someone can snap a picture or something, and THANKS IN ADVANCE! :bigok:
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I can't really help with the resistors yet, but I thought I'd toss this out there. If your camera has this mode...
(http://img.ehow.com/article-page-main/ehow-uk/images/a04/b2/25/use-macro-mode-digital-camera-800X800.jpg)
It helps greatly when posting pics of close ups. That's the macro mode.
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Cool, I'll keep that in mind. My photography abilities extend to camera phones and point and shoots.
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It looks as if you could read the first two stripes maybe if the picture was clearer.
PS - I changed the electrolytic can capacitors for mil-spec tantalum solid ones. Will never leak and temp rated to +125C. Cost about $7.
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Wrider, where are you? Or more specifically, what bike is it? If you're really lucky, and it's a canadian model, or one that can take an canadian model, I have one for you. It was part of my "spare parts" bin from a donor bike, and now that I've sold Dita, I no longer need it.
Edit: Damn,. sorry, I read further in the post... I don't know if you can use a Canadian model ignitor, since we had a different redline than you did?
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OK,.. this is the one that Dita had, it should be the same as the one that I pulled off the other bike. (No sticker on that one)
We're not 100% sure what year it was that we pulled it from, but it should have been compatible with Dita.
If I can get the cover off it without doing any damage, I can post a pic of that board too, if it's compatible, we can work out a deal, it'll be better than the fleabay one for sure. ;)
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That would be it right there!
To pull it out all you need to do is use a set of pliers to grab hold of the plastic plugs and pull. May be a little stiff, but there are no plastic connectors holding it in, possibly some melted plastic from the circuit board... Thats what was holding mine in.
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K,.. I'll need one of the garage pliers. (Apparently the ones from my computer repair kit aren't up to the job.)
That'll have to wait til morning though. I'll give it a shot though and post a pic when I can tomorrow. :)
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The circuit board slid in on the connector end and held with epoxy. The board itself has some conformal coating to protect from moisture. When pulling it out do some working back and forth to crack the epoxy joints. A hard straight pull may damage the board.
(33 years as Engineering Technician).
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To get mine out, i stuck a square bit into the two holes at the bottom of the plastic case. Then I wedged a skinny screw driver next to the square bit and then applied pressure (using the square bit as a sort of fulcrum) to wedge the innards out. I would do some wedging in one hole, then the other, taking my time. As soon as the card was sufficiently out, I ran a screwdriver around the length of the plug-side black plastic to extract the card. Minimal damage...could have had none if I had taken more time.
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OK, both r_outsider and I gave it a go, small little bits of the cover are chipped out now, and we were reluctant to go any further. The best I can suggest now is to maybe search the forums and see if you can figure out if it can be swapped for a US model. I did notice that the part # is different, so I have a sneaking suspicion that the answer may be no, but I've been wrong before. :)
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Yeah... Darn... Already searched the forums. Unable to find anything that indicates it's swappable, and unable to afford a new CDI at the moment anyway. Did find one for $50 for the same part number and all that, but unable to afford that much even. REALLY needing to find a job but with school it's hard to find one that will allow me to work with my higher priorities you know? Doesn't help that according to the experts my area is one of the top ten hardest to find a job... lol.
Alright well back to the drawing board.
If you do happen to get it great, but if you don't want to go any further I understand. It's a bit nerve wracking getting into something you haven't done before. May have to bite the bullet and buy another CDI, repair this one, make sure it works, then go and re-sell the other.
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So does anyone know if the 92 is compatible with the 93? There's a 92 for sale here that needs motor work but is running...
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Probably... again though, depending on the original country that the bike was shipped to. If it's a US bike, I'd think you'd be fine. (I guess my concern is the "grey market imports" that we see pop up and stuff, which CDIs and such do those have?)
I know that the service manual covers the 91 - 93 bikes...
I hear you on the school and working thing. I did that when I was in college and it was a real bear. Sometimes I had to pick between food and gas. Gas got me to school so I could learn, (and not be kicked out of school) but I had an almost fatalistic addiction to food. Still do truth be known. It really does feel like I might perish without it...
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Probably... again though, depending on the original country that the bike was shipped to. If it's a US bike, I'd think you'd be fine. (I guess my concern is the "grey market imports" that we see pop up and stuff, which CDIs and such do those have?)
I know that the service manual covers the 91 - 93 bikes...
I hear you on the school and working thing. I did that when I was in college and it was a real bear. Sometimes I had to pick between food and gas. Gas got me to school so I could learn, (and not be kicked out of school) but I had an almost fatalistic addiction to food. Still do truth be known. It really does feel like I might perish without it...
Heh yeah that's the truth. When I was down at MMI I was paying for food and gas on 40-80 bucks a week. Work and school were both 10 miles each way, I was averaging 18 MPG, school was 5 days a week and work was 1-2. And this was back in 08 when gas prices were at their peak! haha.
Just checked out the service manual. Doesn't list part numbers unfortunately, but it DOES list specs for the electrical system. Seems the only difference between the 92 and 93 electrically is that the 92 uses a CR8EK and the 93 uses a CR9EK spark plug. I'm guessing that's to cool down the cylinder and conform to the 50 hp limit.
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So does anyone know if the 92 is compatible with the 93? There's a 92 for sale here that needs motor work but is running...
Most of the parts are compatible. But the signal generators are different. 91-92 it's 32900 10D00 and 93 is 32900 10D60. From what I've read on the board I don't believe they are compatible. Although it may work if you switch the pickup? Do a search and see what you come up with.
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