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MODEL SPECIFIC => SUZUKI BANDIT 250 & 400 => Topic started by: greatmoorred on April 20, 2008, 05:12:56 PM

Title: Cylinders 1 and 2 dont work ?
Post by: greatmoorred on April 20, 2008, 05:12:56 PM
Im having trouble with my B4.
Last week i replaced the rear shock, which obviously requires the removal of the tank. This week when i started the old girl up i notice she is only firing on 2 cyliders: No.3 and No.4.
I have taken the plug out of No.1 and it is sparking just fine, so its not an electrical fault ( it would affect 1 and 3 wouldn't it ? )
So, im thinking maybe i reconnected one of the three hoses under the tank incorrectly. There seem to be 2 breather hoses and a fuel hose, would replacing the breathers hoses the wrong way cause the bike to run badly ?
Any ideas please ??
Title: Re: Cylinders 1 and 2 dont work ?
Post by: kako on April 20, 2008, 10:43:46 PM
just so everything is clear.. did you take out the plugs? they are wired 1-4 and 2-3 if i remember correctly.. how do you know that they are not working?
Title: Re: Cylinders 1 and 2 dont work ?
Post by: greatmoorred on April 21, 2008, 04:33:56 AM
Yep, ive had 1 and 2 out and ran the bike, the plugs were sparking, so it doesnt seem to be a problem with them.
Title: Re: Cylinders 1 and 2 dont work ?
Post by: kako on April 21, 2008, 04:35:15 AM
have you tried running the bike with out 3,4?
Title: Re: Cylinders 1 and 2 dont work ?
Post by: gsxr400 racer on April 21, 2008, 04:01:31 PM
fuel line then little vacum line to fuel valve the rest are not essential
Title: Re: Cylinders 1 and 2 dont work ?
Post by: greatmoorred on April 21, 2008, 04:52:43 PM
Tried running the bike with plugs 3 and 4 disconnected and it wouldnt start.
Ive removed the tank and reconnected the hoses, i assume the hose that goes to the carb' body connects to the back of the petcock valve ?
Anyway, there is still no joy :annoy:
This is very annoying as it was working upto last week when i took the tank off..........
If i turn up the idle screw i can get it to tick over on just the 2 cylinders, so i think i might have to bite the bullet and take it to a garage.
Title: Re: Cylinders 1 and 2 dont work ?
Post by: gsxr400 racer on April 21, 2008, 04:56:09 PM
fuel line connect if you follow it connects near the bottom of carbs
Title: Re: Cylinders 1 and 2 dont work ?
Post by: Red01 on April 21, 2008, 05:12:51 PM
Do you have the plug wires on the right plugs?
If the #2 lead is on the #1 plug and vice versa, the plugs will still spark, but not at the right time.
Title: Re: Cylinders 1 and 2 dont work ?
Post by: gsxr400 racer on April 21, 2008, 05:22:30 PM
Thats food for thought brother  :stickpoke:
Title: Re: Cylinders 1 and 2 dont work ?
Post by: greatmoorred on April 22, 2008, 04:02:23 AM
Yes, all the HT leads are married up to the correct plugs.
Its a mystery. :sad:
Title: Re: Cylinders 1 and 2 dont work ?
Post by: Banditmax on April 22, 2008, 08:14:53 AM
carb cleaning time
Title: Re: Cylinders 1 and 2 dont work ?
Post by: gsxr400 racer on April 22, 2008, 11:37:00 AM
 :monkeymoon:
Title: Re: Cylinders 1 and 2 dont work ?
Post by: greatmoorred on April 23, 2008, 06:06:32 AM
I wish i wqas more observant !
Just got off the phone to my mechanic, he reckons a new coil and leads/plugs. He thinks the coils are Left side #1 and 2    Right side #3 and 4

Im sure the coils on mine are left coil goes to 1 and 4   right coil goes to 2 and 3.

Help me people..... Has a previous owner messed about with this ? What is the correct setting.

Left coil Cylinders ? and ?

Right coil cylinders ? and ?

thanks for any help.
Title: Re: Cylinders 1 and 2 dont work ?
Post by: Banditmax on April 23, 2008, 06:44:34 AM
left coil 1 and 4 right coil 2 and 3
Title: Re: Cylinders 1 and 2 dont work ?
Post by: gsxr400 racer on April 23, 2008, 09:57:29 AM
fire the mechanic all in line fours go 1-4 and 2-3  :duh:
Title: Re: Cylinders 1 and 2 dont work ?
Post by: GooseMan on April 23, 2008, 03:25:44 PM
If you need new coils, I have a spare set I'm selling (both pairs). Let me know!
Title: Re: Cylinders 1 and 2 dont work ?
Post by: Banditmax on April 24, 2008, 07:57:13 AM
If i was reccomending new coils id say get some from a 2006 bandit 650 so they are as new as possible.  Only slight annoying bit about them is only one bolt can be used on the frame to hold it on.
Title: Re: Cylinders 1 and 2 dont work ?
Post by: Forde on April 24, 2008, 11:09:53 AM
you should clean and tighten the coil connections they come loose i had a problem with this.

you have to remove the tank to replace the rear shock?  im doing mine soon and i cant be arsed with that like.

i thought if i put it on the centre stand and pulled the back wheel out id be able to get at it ok.
Title: Re: Cylinders 1 and 2 dont work ?
Post by: greatmoorred on April 26, 2008, 10:25:11 AM
Something about a secondary coil ???
Never heard of it myself..
Title: Re: Cylinders 1 and 2 dont work ?
Post by: Banditmax on April 26, 2008, 03:40:47 PM
Maybe the pick up coil.
Title: Re: Cylinders 1 and 2 dont work ?
Post by: gsxr400 racer on April 26, 2008, 04:13:44 PM
bad pick up coil no spark at all :boohoo:
Title: Re: Cylinders 1 and 2 dont work ?
Post by: greatmoorred on May 02, 2008, 11:29:01 AM
Sorted.
It was the carbs after all that. I sort of suspected it might be, but i was hoping it wasnt, due to that being tricky to fix. Anyway, its been to the garage and had its carbs stripped and cleaned/balanced a new rear tyre and an MOT ( A uk thing ) which has set me back nearly £250.... a bit of a bitch, but i spent nothing on it last year.