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MODEL SPECIFIC => SUZUKI BANDIT 250 & 400 => Topic started by: wantone on June 29, 2011, 12:57:55 PM

Title: fork length, clip-on style as opposed to riser
Post by: wantone on June 29, 2011, 12:57:55 PM: are the forks different in lenth on bikes fitted with clip-on style bars (jap market) as opposed to the UK market that had only manual i have for a bike uk spec bike and im fixing a gray import bike. the fork i have a has a groove around about 60mm from the top
Title: Re: fork length, clip-on style as opposed to riser
Post by: tomacGTi on June 29, 2011, 03:20:46 PM: Yes, twin disc factory clip on forks are longer.
Title: Re: fork length, clip-on style as opposed to riser
Post by: Unique on June 29, 2011, 03:40:55 PM: Hi
the jap import bike forks are 825mm total length and the groove is 60mm from the top.
Dek
Title: Re: fork length, clip-on style as opposed to riser
Post by: wantone on June 29, 2011, 06:23:32 PM: ahh hah, thanks for that, so does that effect the amount of oil that needs to go in the fork after ive fitted new seals? the manual i have states 495mm per leg and an air gap of 105mm....ive also just measured mine and the groove is 55mm from the top without the cap fitted, the spring length is 295mm.. is that within service limits? can anyone point me to an online service manual for the jap model... please
Title: Re: fork length, clip-on style as opposed to riser
Post by: Bruce on July 01, 2011, 08:21:09 PM: can anyone point me to an online service manual for the jap model... please

Yes me too please, I have the same problem :thumb:
Title: Re: fork length, clip-on style as opposed to riser
Post by: wantone on July 04, 2011, 08:18:52 AM: can no body help with the amount of oil or the airgap please... i need to get the front end back together!!
Title: Re: fork length, clip-on style as opposed to riser
Post by: tomacGTi on July 04, 2011, 09:23:19 AM: According to the manual (which is on here): 505ml.

You'll have to adjust airgap from there.
Title: Re: fork length, clip-on style as opposed to riser
Post by: wantone on July 04, 2011, 11:44:11 AM: can you do a link to that manual on here for me as i can't find it!! :thanks:
Title: Re: fork length, clip-on style as opposed to riser
Post by: Bruce on July 04, 2011, 01:00:53 PM: Me too, I've looked all over the place but can't find a service manual for the early Jap spec B4. It's listed on carlsalter.com but the link to the manual doesn't work. If someone has a copy of the Japanese manual I'd be interested. :thanks:
Title: Re: fork length, clip-on style as opposed to riser
Post by: tomacGTi on July 04, 2011, 02:54:33 PM: http://forums.banditalley.net/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=0%22

It's in Downloads...Right under the banner.
Title: Re: fork length, clip-on style as opposed to riser
Post by: Bruce on July 04, 2011, 04:35:05 PM: tomacGTi, where in downloads? Only one I could find is titled GSF400 GK75A but it doesn't cover the Japanese model with the twin front discs, clip-ons and stainless exhaust.
Title: Re: fork length, clip-on style as opposed to riser
Post by: tomacGTi on July 04, 2011, 11:51:54 PM: Then there isn't a Jap manual, you'll have to make due with what's there then.
Title: Re: fork length, clip-on style as opposed to riser
Post by: wantone on July 05, 2011, 02:16:40 AM: so to confirm.. there is no manual here for the 89/90 jap import model with twin disc brakes and clip-on bars! so 505ml per leg isnt correct for that model?
Title: Re: fork length, clip-on style as opposed to riser
Post by: Unique on July 05, 2011, 01:47:10 PM: Hi wantone and everyone
i use two great guys.. who are twins that run they own bike shop in southampton, uk... ask them if they knew any way of working out the oil/airgap on the jap 400...answer No didn’t know any way other then tried. all that anyone can do is try the normal amount, test, and if needed add ! and test again until you are happy with the ride.
Title: Re: fork length, clip-on style as opposed to riser
Post by: wantone on July 05, 2011, 03:05:17 PM: thanks for all your help dek.. anyone got a contact in japan that can ask at a dealer over there?
Title: Re: fork length, clip-on style as opposed to riser
Post by: tomacGTi on July 05, 2011, 04:17:22 PM: If you read the one that is on the site, it gives the country codes as well as the measurements and levels.

Honestly, the amount makes sense but it is trial and error to get the feel you're looking for.
Title: Re: fork length, clip-on style as opposed to riser
Post by: wantone on July 06, 2011, 02:23:48 AM: well i think we have the answer.. i pm'd " waruta" a forum member who is in japan and ask him to kindly find the info for us.. he has just pm'd me back with this info...

Took a little bit of searching, but I believe the information you are looking for is below:
ﾊﾞﾝﾃﾞｯﾄ400
[GK75A]

ﾊﾞｯﾃﾘｰ Battery
YTX9-BS
ﾀﾍﾟｯﾄ隙間 Tappet Opening/Gap
IN0.10～0.15mm
EX0.15～0.20mm
ﾌﾛﾝﾄﾌｫｰｸｵｲﾙ量 Front Fork Oil Volume
545cc
油面 Oil Level
109mm
ﾒｲﾝｼﾞｪｯﾄ Main Jet
#100
ｽﾛｰｼﾞｪｯﾄ Sprocket
#32.5
ﾌﾟﾗｸﾞ Plug
CR8EK
ﾁｪｰﾝ Chain
525-114
Hope this helps.
Regards,
W.

thanks waruta for clearing the matter for us :thanks:
Title: Re: fork length, clip-on style as opposed to riser
Post by: Bruce on July 06, 2011, 12:47:43 PM: Awsome, just what I needed, thank you Waruta and Wantone, this is brill you are both stars :thanks:
Title: Re: fork length, clip-on style as opposed to riser
Post by: Chris H on July 08, 2011, 08:06:06 PM: The info that 'waruta' has kindly supplied is for the gsf400vp and gsf400np, if you have other models then its different.
gsf400k and m models are 553cc oil and 101mm air gap.
gsf400z and gsf400zm is 523cc and 125mm gap.
gsf400vm is 544cc and 110mm gap.
gsf400p is 495cc and 105mm gap.
Im not being clever just quoting from the japanese manual i have that covers all first gen models.
I dont know why they are different except that z models have preload adjustment and the rest dont.
Title: Re: fork length, clip-on style as opposed to riser
Post by: Bruce on July 08, 2011, 10:44:01 PM: Hi ChrisH, any chance you could upload that Japanese manual to the forum? I defo need it, pleeeaaase?
Title: Re: fork length, clip-on style as opposed to riser
Post by: wantone on July 09, 2011, 07:42:30 PM: bugger been of line a few days modem got fryed! ive allready refilled mine to the level waruta had suggested, and refitted them :duh: ill see if i can alter the amount to 553cc on the bike!

chrisH as bruce has said.. any chance you could upload a copy for the first gen models or let us get copies from you?
Title: Re: fork length, clip-on style as opposed to riser
Post by: Chris H on July 11, 2011, 06:27:35 PM: Hi all, no way i can upload as the manual would have to be converted from paper to pdf and im not spending the next year doing it. Ive scanned pages for people in the past so if you need something post up and i will help all i can.
I got it from off yahoo auction as the english manual only covered the 2nd gen VVC and i have an 'M' model 1st gen with VVC on the exhaust.
Most things are the same and i was surprised to find so many differences on looking.
Title: Re: fork length, clip-on style as opposed to riser
Post by: wantone on July 12, 2011, 03:01:49 AM: ok chris, thanks for that :motorsmile: