Bandit Alley
MODEL SPECIFIC => SUZUKI BANDIT 250 & 400 => Topic started by: Stealth on November 26, 2006, 09:44:18 AM
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Like the title says:
I have become a statistic.
Yesterday I was riding because the weather was so good, after about 2 hours of riding, I started heading home. On this one street called Westheights, there was a stop sign. I stopped at the stop sign and then proceeded through, the street was pretty straight and I was on the right lane. There were 2 cars on the left lane right beside me. After the straightway finished, the street was bearing left, after this happend, I noticed that there was a red toyota corolla parked in my lane so I decided to accelerate and try and overtake the car to my left. I was very unsuccessful doing that, so my next objective was to stop the motorcycle imediately, Because of the momentum I gained by trying to overtake the car, the motorcycle was fast and single brakes are not that great to emergency stop. All this was happening while the street was bearing left. When I held the brake I noticed the Motorcycle stand upright and go directly ahead, I really had no other option so I let it smash into the curb, I think this is when I lost conciousness. After it hit the curb and I was flown off, the motorcycle tipped over and slid into the back of the parked 1991 Toyota Corolla.
Apparently I rolled a couple times before I hit the ground.
less than a minute later, I woke up on the grass with my back on the ground, I saw about 6 people rush towards me and asked me if I was ok. I told'em to take my helmet off because it felt really uncomfortable at the moment. After that I "I need water please", and after that I noticed my B4 under the trunk of the toyota. Gas and Oil was spilling all over the place so I asked them to please get it out <- Fuel and Oil spilling all over the place is pretty dangerous... So the stood it up and then I noticed a peice of the rear fender right beside me :( The bars looked kinda bent too.
A second after this I noticed the ambulance, fire truck, and police around me. The ambulance took me to the back of their truck and asked me what time it was, what day it was and what month and year it was. I didnt know any of the answers. So they rushed me to the hospital. I was in the waiting room for 2-3 hours before they found a bed for me.
The Doctor came in, took me the X-Ray and X-Ray'd my foot because I felt a lot of pressure in it.
The doctor came back in about 20 minutes and told me that its just a sprained ankle, he also told me that Im extremely lucky; which I think so too. I have a few scrapes on both my legs and my whole body is extremely sore.
After they let me out, My parents and I went to the site of the crash, I noticed that the place where I hit the curb, there was a huge concrete pole right beside it. It was a miracle that I didnt hit the pole, and its also a miracle that I didnt collide with the car.
My memory is pretty fuzzy though. The only thing I remember of the accident itself was that I was holding the brake and getting closer and closer to the car. after that, my mind is blank.
And thats the story of how I became a statistic yesterday.
A total fine of: $325 and 3-4 demerit points for "careless driving"
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Wow. Thanks for sharing your story. You really *are* lucky to be almost unhurt.
I know you're probably thinking of all the things you could/should have done differently to avoid this. It's important to learn from our mistakes (and those of us who read this can learn too), but what's done is done. The bike is scrap, the fine's been assessed. Learn, but move on.
Take care of yourself!
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Good to hear you're (relatively) OK. Just chill and get better.
If that's all you're liable for, you got off light! What about that car? Was it damaged in any way?
Good luck.
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Glad your ok mate , maybe with some advanced motorcycle training this wouldnt have been a issue! Not to preach or anything!! :beers:
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I'm sure most of us have done something similar. Glad your okay. There are worse statistics that you could have become!
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apparently the 1991 toyota corolla suffered exhaust pipe, and gas tank damages.
The idiot who owns it is expecting $2000 from insurance...
most hes gonna get is $500
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Well at least God gave you the wherewithal to use your mind and not panic, slow the moment down and run through some decisions under extreme pressure. And although your ultimate decision wasn’t perfect you defiantly saved allot of skin steering away from the car and pole.
Good Job :congrats:
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Glad to hear you're ok and with no long lasting injuries. I've heard of too many serious motorcycle crashes lately.
I think the b4 does have more of a tendancy to stand up in a corner under brakes than some bikes.
I agree with what gsxr400 racer said.
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AHHHH, that sucks dude. I'm glad you escaped with only minor injuries. I hate that the cops throw in a careless driving charge just as an extra kick in the balls.
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Be sure to fight the careless charge. Unless the cops were actually there and saw the accident unfold it's a hard thing to prove. Maybe a dog ran out in your path? And being an animal rights activist you swerved to avoid it? LOL.
Here's a link with lots of great details about fighting traffic charges in Canada.
http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=1039
You may actually want legal representation on that one...
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I am definately going to fight that ticket.
1 Question though:
Is it possible to find out what the plea bargain lesser charge is? And then decide to go with plea bargain or not?
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nevermind. I already know the answer.
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I am definately going to fight that ticket.
1 Question though:
Is it possible to find out what the plea bargain lesser charge is? And then decide to go with plea bargain or not?
Yes.
--copied directly from the above link be sure to read it
A first appearance is not a trial date (you shouldn't be going to trial on that day). You have a chance to speak/bargain with the prosecution about your particular charge. They will almost always offer you a plea-bargain. If you accept, you can usually accept this plea-bargain on that day, so you do not have to come back for your original trial date. You can request a first appearance by asking in person at the court house, although some will allow you to schedule one by phone.
This section may also be of some use to you
D) Fighting a careless charge
Careless charges are often laid when the officer doesn't know what charge to give, or wants to overcharge (knowing that it will be plea-bargained to a lesser offence in court). For example, if you went into a corner too fast and wiped out, if an officer arrives, they may slap you with a careless charge. As usual, the burden on the Crown is proof beyond a reasonable doubt that your actions were careless. Unless you can show that what you did was without negligence or fault on your part (either through the crown's evidence, or your own testimony), a conviction is likely. The defence of due diligence applies.
A common occurrence is for the officer to lay a careless driving charge after the fact (i.e. the officer wasn't present at the time, and only arrived after the incident). If this is the case, you are in good shape. If it was a single vehicle accident (ie: no other people involved) and there are no other witnesses, you are in excellent shape. In this case, the only evidence against you is indirect or circumstantial evidence (evidence which was not witnessed first hand, but from which logical inferences can be drawn - e.g.: you go to bed, and wake up with snow on your lawn. You now have circumstantial evidence that it snowed last night). If there is only circumstantial evidence against you, the court follows the rule in "Hodge's Case" (an old English case). This rule requires that, before the court can find the defendant guilty, it must be satisfied that the circumstantial evidence must be such as to leave no reasonable explanation but that which indicates the guilt of the accused. In plain english, when the evidence against you is purely circumstantial, you can't be found guilty if you have a reasonable excuse/explanation for what happened, and the evidence does not contradict your explanation.
An example: It is winter, and you you rear-end someone. The officer arrives at the scene, and gives you a careless driving charge. There are no witnesses, and the court did not subpoena the other driver to testify against you. When you take it to court, the only evidence against you is circumstantial (the officer's testimony - the officer arrived after the incident). You plead not-guilty, and give your testimony saying that you saw the car in front of you stop suddenly, you applied the brakes as hard as you could, but there was ice on the road, and you still ended up hitting the other car. In this case, the evidence against you is purely circumstantial, and you have offered evidence which supports a rational alternative conclusion to the careless driving charge.
Careless driving is a kind of nebulous charge - the wording in the HTA is very vague, so it is not possible to define what exactly constitutes careless driving, and what doesn't ("without due care and attention or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the highway"). Just because you have been charged with it, does not mean you are guilty. The amount of case law on careless driving charges is vast, and it should be easy to find similar cases/cases to support your situation.
An addition, from an earlier post regarding fighting a careless charge:
Even if a collision ocurrs as a result of events under the direct control of the motorist, that does not guarantee conviction. Weather can be a valid excuse for escaping convction from a careless charge.
Consider R. v. Smith (1961, 130 C.C.C. 177 (B.C. Co. Ct.)) in which the defendant was unfamiliar with the area in question. He had been driving along a poorly lighted narrow road on a dark night when he crashed into the retaining wall of a river dyke beside the road (and was charged with careless driving). The only evidence against him was the fact of the accident itself. The court held that this evidence was insufficient to support the charge, and that it was impossible to say that the mere happening of the accident gave rise to a presumption of lack of due care and attention in the circumstances.
Consider Masters ([1980] Ont. D. Crim. Conv. 5525-07 (Co.Ct.)), in which the accused emerged from an underpass, where the roadway was wet to an icy road surface. The driver lost control of the vehicle, collided with a light standard, and was charged with careless. The accused was acquitted in court.
Also consider R. v. Johnson (1983, 45 N.B.R. (2d) 371 (N.B. Q.B.) in which the accused had dropped a cigarette on the seat and, while attempting to put it out, drove on the wrong side of the road causing a collision. On appeal, the conviction was dismissed.
Another one: R. v. Hall (Unreported, October 12, 1979, Ont. Dst. Ct. - Street J.) involved a defendant who was following a woman who stopped to make a turn onto a side street. When the driver stopped, the defendant's car came into collision with her because he was unable to stop in time. At the time, the weather conditions were adverse. It was snowing and the streets were slippery. The defendant saw her vehicle when he was a long way back. He saw her turn signal and then her brake signal and tried to stop, but was unable to do so. On appeal, the Judge found that he could not be satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt that the defedant was driving without due care and attention as he had seen the car and stated that he saw it a long way back. He may have been driving carelessly, but it is equally possible that he had simply been unable to stop because the street was slippery and that through no fault of his own, he slid a long way. The conviction was set aside.
While it is true that "best intentions" alone are not a valid defence, attempting to carry out those "best intentions" does constitute a valid defence, provided that those "best intentions" are what a typical reasonable person would have done in the same situation. This is known as the defence of "due diligence," and it is is a valid defence to a careless driving charge (among other charges). If you can show that you did everything that a reasonable person could have been expected to do to avoid the accident, and after all that, it still happened, then you are entitled to an acquittal. Your own testimony is usually sufficient, barring any contradictory evidence (circumstantial or otherwise) - e.g.: you said you tried to stop as hard as you could, bu there were no skid marks to indicate this.
The law does not require perfection. Mistake of judgement does not necessarily constitute careless driving. Drivers are held to the stadard of what the "ordinary prudent person would do in the circumstances". This standard is always shifting, depending on road, visibility, weather, and traffic conditions that exist or may reasonably be expected. Consider this passage from R. v. Beauchamp: "The law does not require of any driver that he should exhibit 'perfect nerve and presence of mind, enabling him to do the best thing possible.' It does not expect men to be more than ordinary men."
**edit I guess you started reading the link before I could finish typing up this email. :beers:
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Glad you're ok, man.
Too many wrecks lately. I lost a riding buddy yesterday in one. Be careful out there, folks.
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When I awoke from unconciousness, the cop asked me what happend.
I said that i was on the right lane, and there were 2 cars on my left lane. and the street was turning, I saw that there was a red toyota parked so I attempted to overtake the car on my left but that didnt happen. so I braked hard and hit the curb.
Apparently they were righting all of this down. But what if I said something improperly? I was unconscious by the way.
Is this a plausible and un-contradictory story for the real events?:
I was on the right lane, the two cars were on my left lane. My vision of the road ahead to the left was blocked by the car to my left. During the turn, I saw the red toyota parked on my lane. At the same time, the car to my left slightly swerved towards me. I panicked, immediately moved to the right and held the Brakes. At this point, I lost control and hit the curb. I flew off the bike while the bike proceeded sliding towards the parked car.
If they tell me that this new story has no "attempting to overtake the car to my left" is it plausible enough to tell the judge that I had just regained consciousness when the police officer asked me, and my mind was all blurry, I didn't know what happend, I didn't know how it happend, etc.... Over time, I started to remember what exactly happend that day.
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Assuming I understand the layout of the street, there are two lanes. First question: Was there really two lanes, or is the street just wide enough that you created a "right lane"? If there really are two lanes, why was a car parked in one of the lanes...was the car parked legally or should it have been ticketed/towed?
I would definitely stop saying or posting "I was attempting to overtake (that is, "pass") a car to my left. I would say "when I saw there was a vehicle (improperly) parked in my lane, I attempted to merge into the left lane." This is no less true that what you've said, but it has a more positive spin. If anyone asks why you were trying to get ahead of another vehicle, I'll bet the answer is "Because the vehicles on the left wouldn't let me in between them." Therefore, if asked, you can state that you were trying to merge, and to do so, you were trying to get ahead of a couple cars because they did not seem to realize your lane was blocked ahead.
Again, not suggesting you lie, but there are a million little calculations we make when riding/driving. Sure, you can look back and say you made a bad judgement, but you have every right to present the decision you made in the best light possible.
You want to avoid sounding reckless or careless. I would avoid saying "I panicked" and would say "By the time I realized the cars to my left were not going to let me merge, I was closer to the illegally parked car than I realized, and had to stop suddenly. While I attempted to avoid hitting the parked car, since I was in a blind curve, my distance visibility was limited, and I was unable to stop in time. I knew that I didn't want to get hit by a moving vehicle."
Anyway, you get the idea. Again, not advocating you lie. Don't paint yourself as being the most noble, put-upon motorcyclist that ever rode, but make it sound like your actions were reasonable and considered, and that it was the actions of the illegally parked car and the other drivers who forced you into a situation that you were unable to react to in time.
Good luck....
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It really depends on what the other witnesses said.
I know when a buddy of mine wrecked he was passing a family in a station wagon. He was doing 180 kms on a service road (stupid, yes). He hit a pothole and lost control of the bike. The driver of the wagon was extremely kind and said he was going 20 km's over the limit. The cops asked him "off the record" how fast where you really going. He gave them the honest answer and they said that's what they figured by the marks. He only ended up with a 20 over ticket and a huge repair bill... the cops could have gave him careless, but with the witnesses testimony that would have been hard to prove.
Once you ask for disclosure you should get all the notes the cops took from all the various witnesses. You can build your case from that.
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Assuming I understand the layout of the street, there are two lanes. First question: Was there really two lanes, or is the street just wide enough that you created a "right lane"? If there really are two lanes, why was a car parked in one of the lanes...was the car parked legally or should it have been ticketed/towed?
I would definitely stop saying or posting "I was attempting to overtake (that is, "pass") a car to my left. I would say "when I say there was a vehicle (improperly) parked in my lane, I attempted to merge into the left lane." This is no less true that what you've said, but it has a more positive spin. If anyone asks why you were trying to get ahead of another vehicle, I'll bet the answer is "Because the vehicles on the left wouldn't let me in between them." Therefore, if asked, you can state that you were trying to merge, and to do so, you were trying to get ahead of a couple cars because they did not seem to realize your lane was blocked ahead.
Again, not suggesting you lie, but there are a million little calculations we make when riding/driving. Sure, you can look bad and say you made a bad judgement, but you have every right to present the decision you made in the best light possible.
You want to avoid sounding reckless or careless. I would avoid saying "I panicked" and would say "By the time I realized the cars to my left were not going to let me merge, I was closer to the illegally parked car than I realized, and had to stop suddenly. While I attempted to avoid hitting the parked car, since I was in a blind curve, my distance visibility was limited, and I was unable to stop in time. I knew that I didn't want to get hit by a moving vehicle."
Anyway, you get the idea. Again, not advocating you lie. Don't paint yourself as being the most noble, put-upon motorcyclist that ever rode, but make it sound like your actions were reasonable and considered, and that it was the actions of the illegally parked car and the other drivers who forced you into a situation that you were unable to react to in time.
Good luck....
There were 2 lanes, and Im not sure if the car is legally allowed to park there or not.
Although,
1 of the witnesses describe me as being "extremely fast" which was not true at all, at most i was 10km's over the speed limit. Like all of you know, the Bandit 400 doesnt have much power so you have to rev the crap out of them. the bike was so loud, that the stupid old lady thought I was going atleast 80. The speed limit on the street was 50km/hr and i was going in the range of 55-60km/hr
According to that little link above, "a persons judgement of speed is thought to be excellent" but the cop did not charge me for speeding. Later today i am going to go back to the scene of the accident and take some pictures.
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I went to the towing company that took my bike...
I saw what happend to her.
Both handle bars are bent, mirrors are broken off, left engine casing is destroyed, Shifter is bent, Gas tank is bent on top.
The frame has a dent in it on the left side <- could this make it a write-off?
Tail Fairing is broken off on the left side, one of the brakes are seized.
Other than that, She looks as beautiful as ever :boohoo:
Im in a dilemma right now.
Should I fix her up and spend a million or should I sell for parts or should I sell as parts?
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its a right off because of the dent in the frame part it out buy another one! :beers:
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I can't imagine that there would be any economic logic to repairing it...I would have to believe the bike is totalled.
Depending on your insurance coverage, the worth in taking a write-off and walking away, or buying it from the insurance company as salvage to part-out is something you'll have decide...does it make sense from a time perspective as well as a money perspective? How much effort do you want to put into this?
I guess the other unknown is how "perfect" you want to the bike to be if you repair it.
So...all questions you have to answer for yourself, I guess.
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Is the frame "bent" meaning the direction of the tubing has changed or just flat-spotted? About half of the B4s I've seen have a flat spot on the frame below the tank on one side or the other (or BOTH!).
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What do you mean by "flat spot"?
The tubing is not bent, its dented.
And Sven:
My insurance coverage didn't include collision coverage so thats why I was wondering. The big factor in deciding to part out or to repair is the dent in the Frame. I dont think its a write off though.
Oh and by the way, Is anyone parting out a Bandit 400?
Does anyone have a left crankcase cover they are willing to sell?
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Frame on Ebay.de (http://cgi.ebay.de/Rahmen-mit-Brief-Suzuki-GSF-400-F-GSF400-Bandit_W0QQitemZ200052057072QQihZ010QQcategoryZ68417QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Frame on Ebay.com (http://cgi.ebay.com/Suzuki-GSF-400-Bandit-Frame_W0QQitemZ250055094203QQihZ015QQcategoryZ10534QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Maybe a crankcase cover (http://cgi.ebay.com/SUZUKI-400-BANDIT-ENGINE-FOR-SPARES-OR-REPAIRS_W0QQitemZ190057045037QQihZ009QQcategoryZ10534QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
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How long have you had the bike? If it's more than 6 months, perhaps you might want to start looking for a 600-650cc bike.
I myself am in the hunt for a red 2001 SV650 (the last year they came in red with the old frame).
Maybe it's just time to move on.
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It's hard to comment without seeing pictures.
But it really depends on how nice you want the bike to look when you're finished. If you're goning to have to repair and repaint you might be better off selling it for parts or as a track bike and picking up something else (or even another bandit). No point in spending thousands of dollars on a bike that's only worth that...
I say this from experience. I've dumped thousands into my bike keeping it on the road, when I could have sold it and bought something newer with less issues.
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Heres the pictures of the bike and its damages.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b400/SpeedBikee/DSC01139.jpg)
^Notice the dents in the gas tank and the bent handlebars
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b400/SpeedBikee/DSC01138.jpg)
^rear fairing broke off
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b400/SpeedBikee/DSC01137.jpg)
^Heres the "dent" in the frame <(is it a write-off?), You can also see how the crankcase cover has shattered.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b400/SpeedBikee/DSC01135.jpg)
^Rear fairing is cracked, Rear brake foot handle is bent, more gas tank dents
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b400/SpeedBikee/DSC01133.jpg)
^This is a weird one, I cant tell if the rear fairing is bent, or the sub-frame is bent? or just the license plate holder? The Swingarm is perfectly fine.
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It's probably not the subframe but the U-plate where the mudguard attaches to. You can fix this by attaching a long piece of metal to this plate and bend it back. The frame will need some grinding and welding if you are going to keep the bike.
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why does it need grinding and welding? and where?
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It doesn't look too bad. I wouldn't worry about that dent in the frame (but I'm no expert). The dents on the tank aren't too brutal either. Bars are cheap and easy to change. Tail pastic shouldn't be too hard to come by over the winter...
The big question is: did the little bugger shut itself off before all the oil leaked out? I'd wanna make sure the motor isn't seized before I did anything.
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It doesn't look too bad. I wouldn't worry about that dent in the frame (but I'm no expert). The dents on the tank aren't too brutal either. Bars are cheap and easy to change. Tail pastic shouldn't be too hard to come by over the winter...
The big question is: did the little bugger shut itself off before all the oil leaked out? I'd wanna make sure the motor isn't seized before I did anything.
When I awoke from unconsciousness, I saw that the engine was stopped. When the bike arrived to my place, I noticed that the engine cut off switch was on "off"
But im not too sure whether or not is was on the off position before oil leaked out, how can I test whether or not its seized? is it unsafe to try to electric start and see if it turns over?
*Edit*
I just made a new discovery! the point where the 4 pipes turn into 1, 1 of the pipes was completely ripped apart from the rest of it.
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Shift the bike up into 5 or 6th and try pushing it. It should move forward with some force... but even that might be bad advice until you removed the smashed cover and check that there aren't any chuncks of metal in there...
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I made a new discovery, the point where the 4 pipes join into 1; 1 of the pipes was completely ripped apart from the others...
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I would NOT crank the motor. Who knows what kind of crap (and pieces of the cover) are in the motor.
I'm not an expert either but that dent in the frame looks pretty bad to me. The ones I've seen are in that same spot but just flattened from sliding - not actually pushed in like that.
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This really sucks.
Now, I have a million other problems on top of the original recharging problem...
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forks are good? subframe is bent !! cant say much for the frame but id try to fix it deosnt seem to bad but dont start the motor till you get a cover and pull the oil pan off clean that out and put it back together! Thats just my opinion from what i seen!
cheers
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Surprisingly, the Forks are straight.
How should I fix the frame?
And, GSXR400 racer, do you still have the left engine cover? if so, can you please take a picture of it?
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i sincerely doubt the forks are straight to be honest :roll:
but if they dont look bent, you can probably still ride with them.
i know from experience: my forks look straight, but they are bent. and i could clearly see when i removed them
(i once lost grip on my front wheel when it was -7 degrees celsius and i was driving about 5km/h :duh: )
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Dude, just move on. Sell it for parts on ebay and get something you can just sit on and ride off with. Life's too short...
"Crawling from the wreckage
Crawling from the wreckage
You’d think by now at least that
Half my brain would get the message
Crawling from the wreckage
Crawling from the wreckage
Into a brand new car (bike)" :grin:
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It's starting to sound like a lost cause to repair, unless you really like to do the work for fun.
If you really want to repair keep a couple of things in mind.
1. Here in B.C. the frame repair would need to be certified by a DOT shop. Most mechanics will NOT take the risk. So the existing frame may be OK, but will likely NOT be legal.
2. Better make sure the front and rear wheels are aligned. You can do this with a board and a string. Set the string up 4-5" above the ground, get it to just touch the rear tire in two places, then measure to front and rear edges of the front tire. You should get the same measurement on both side of the bike. If not, then the frame, forks or swingarm is bent.
3. Check the forks. Loosen the pinch bolts in the triple clamps and rotate the tubes. They should turn easily with no movement of the lower sliders or axle. Stroke the forks looking for any binding. Small bends in the tubes can be straightened, but usually don't come back perfect.
Remember, you want a SAFE bike when your finished.
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And, GSXR400 racer, do you still have the left engine cover? if so, can you please take a picture of it?
The only one i have is a bit rashed has some jb weld on it i thought i had another one but for some reason i cant find it. If you still want a pic of that i wouldnt even know what to charge for it good ones go for good money and one mans junk is another mans treasure me i know a welder and if i were to ever need it id just go get it welded up. so if you still want a pic and want to by it have a look and shot me a price! If you dont want to even bother then i wont take a pic
cheers
Sorry
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Okay, im a lil confused here.
Is it just scratched up?
Can it still be bolted on?
or Do you have to weld it on?
:thanks:
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(http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/483/coverlq9.jpg)
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How much are you willing to let it go at?
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Fix your profile so people know where you are! Thanks $40.00 if out of the USA shipped $30.00 if in the USA
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The design of this cover is a little different from the original,
would this still fit tight?
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what a astute? observation why yes it is and yes it does still fit it is actually the cover for a gsxr 400 gk71 but i mounted it first to make sure it fits!
cheers
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ok, none of us are in a hurry, and since its winter now, I have 5 months to complete the repairs, so if you can, find the "good" cover and in the meantime, i'll still be looking around. (if I do find an alternative, I will let you know)
:thanks:
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Sounds good i have one coming from japan but when that gets here who knows lol
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So sorry to hear about what happened! I'm glad you're ok though, sounds like you have the same good luck as me! It was only just over a month ago that I went through the trauma of a smash. At times like this all you can do is try and think positively. It could have been much worse, you're lucky to be alive. We all take risks every day, but we don't realise how serious they are until something bad happens. It's an eye opener, and I reckon you learn from these incidents. Sure, we'd rather not go through things like this. But the good thing is that you did come through it, and lived to tell the tale. (Unlucky about the fine and the points though, thats a b@st@rd! :sad: )
It's good to see that it's not really put you off, and good to see that you are going to fix up your bandit. I'm thinking of doing the same, but I will need to replace just about everything on it. I'd rather do that than buy a different bike though. I'm rather attatched to my Bandit!
Best of luck with everything. Glad you're ok. :grin:
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How much do you guys think I could get for this Bandit Approx. ?
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Carbs $100
CDI $100-150
Rims & Tires $100
Headlight $25
Forks $25
Front disk $25-50
Rad $20
Hoses $20
Seats $25
Starter $25-50
Wiring harness $25
Coils $25
Right engine cover $50
Dented tank $50
Controls $50
Keys, locks, gas cap $50
petcock $25
Other motor bits (block, head, etc) maybe $100
Chain and sprockets $25-50
Voltage regulator $25-50
Probably close to a grand... that's just a guess though based on what I see parts go for...
You'd probably be pressed to get more then that selling it complete. Unless you find the right buyer...
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do some research onebay write down the parts list check prices on ebay compare what seems fair tottal it all up and walla if you like the number tear it apart and sell it, most things i buy i look at them and say either that dude is crazy or id pay that for that or my favorite damn that's a smoking deal i know someone that would buy this for this and i got it for that right on right on. By the way me and my paypal have seem to become secret Santa for peeps out of the country that want cheaper things in the US ive shipped out some DVD sets for friends (at a fee) Cause my momma always said nothing in this world is free. Next to be shipped out is some GPS cable that's made here and the company wont ship to the UK. If i have to start physically going to stores and shop the cost is going up but truly i don't mind i think its sorta fun So if anyone in the UK or surrounding HOODS what some US goodies let me know No TV"S please lol!Sorry to hijack your thread a bit i sorta went off!
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damn dude you did all the work for him ! LOL and look at all the work i put into my presentation! PMSL :stickpoke:
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my mommy says "the best things in the world are free" *hint *hint :motorsmile: :motorsmile: :bigok:
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my mommy says "the best things in the world are free" *hint *hint :motorsmile: :motorsmile: :bigok:
the hints didn't work. I don't know what you're talking about :duh:
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I think there are more problems with my bandit than meets the eye.
The Rear Wheel seems like its not -||- (Perpendicular when you view from the rear).
If I find any more problems with it, I think I'm going to sell it to a local motorcycle parts dealer.
I find it interesting how my bike is completely totalled yet all I sustained was a bruise, a scrape, and a sprained ankle.
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Thats usually called a good thing! Means the bike took the brunt of the accident whereas you were left able to stand up and walk away
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My dad kicked the wheel back in place haha
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to the people that know how:
I filed my request to challenge the crowns evidence.
Now, when and how do I ask for disclosure?
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You'll eventually get a letter in the mail telling you when and where you trial will be. I got ticketed in August and still haven't got a letter (mind you traffic court in toronto is probably insane busy). At the court house they said if you don't hear anything in 7 months to call them (yeah, I'll call to remind you... right. pmsl), after 8 months you can motion to Section 11b it...
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As soon as you get your trial date, the first thing to do is to ask for disclosure. It's best not to ask for disclosure until you get your court date, because it might remind someone that your trial hasn't been set. It's always possible that your case might fall through the cracks and you never get a trial date. Ask to see the officer's notes and whatever he may be relying on as evidence in trial. This is vital because you can't prepare a defense without knowing what the officer will be relying on. To send a disclosure request, just write a brief letter to the Provincial Prosecutor's office asking for disclosure. Be sure to include your full name, the offence date, and ticket/offence number. Also, be specific in what evidence you ask for. If you just say "send me all evidence you will be relying on in the trial", they'll probably be lazy and not send you very much. Be specific: e.g. "please send me: 1) Both sides of the officer's ticket, 2) the officer's notes on the day of the offence, 3) etc." If you happen to already be at the prosecutor's office, they may have a disclosure request form that you can use and submit right there. Just make sure you get a copy for yourself.
The address of the prosecutor's office is on the back of your ticket. Make sure you send the request either in person or via registered mail so they cannot claim they never received your request. Document all contact that you have with the prosecutor's office, in the event that they are not cooperative, you can motion to have the charges dropped based on non-disclosure, and you have all your proof ready.
Generally, all that is in posession of the prosecutor's office will be a prosecution sheet, which usually only has things like a copy of the ticket, and the officer's notes. If you need more information, usually only the officer in question has this information. For example, for a speeding charge, generally, only the officer will know which make and model radar unit he used, which he may or may not have written in his notes. If you need any other evidence, you have to ask the officer in question for this evidence. Again, document all contact you have with the officer. Write down the name(s) of who you spoke to, and the time and date of your call. If the officer gives you a hard time, tell the officer that the "Freedom of Information Act" (for Ontario) gives you the priviledge to obtain this information. If he still refuses, write it all down and on your court date, you can motion to have the charges dropped. If your motion is denied, you can have the JP order the officer to give you this information and to reschedule your court date so you have a chance to look over the information.
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what is "Both sides of the officers ticket"?
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Front and back.
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which contains?
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You must have a copy of your ticket there? no? The officers ticket is a carbon copy of your ticket. It contains stuff like the date, time, your name, your vehicle, your address, what the infaction was, the officers number, the amount of the fine, etc. The back has all your options of how to go about fighting the ticket...
You don't really need any of that, but if prosecutors do not provide you with information its another avenue for getting off on the charges. It's all about avenues.
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>>It was only just over a month ago that I went through the trauma of a smash.<<
Yo Coopz, man, how are YOU doing? You sound like you're more or less back together, which I'm glad. Any ideas on a bike yet? Good luck.
Stealth, I'm glad you're finally seeing that there may be a lot more to rebuilding then it's worth. I really think you should start looking around for some new wheels man. I mean, unless you just want to make a pet project out of rebuilding it, what's the point? :wtf:
Even if you DO want to make a project out of it, you should get another bike. This way, there's no deadline or pressure for trying to put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
Just my 2 (American) cents on this. After all, it's the ride, man. :motorsmile: :beers:
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I unbolted the engine cover and checked inside, there were no pieces of metal, and interestingly enough, this side of the engine is cut-off from the rest. Just a little space where oil flows through.
I then proceeded to seeing if the engine is seized or not. I put the bike in 6th gear, rotated the tire when on centrestand, and it turned flawlessly.
So engine is perfectly fine, aside from the smashed cover.
I noticed that the brake light is constantly on when the key is on "on" position. Its as bright as it gets, no matter if you hold the brake or not. I also noticed that the Electric start doesnt do anything.
I think the electricals on the right handlebar are messed up and is therefore constantly on the brake light and the "emergency off" position. I remember I saw the bike on the "emergency off" position when pinned down so maybe an impact severed the handlebar electrics? <the right handlebar is pretty bent.
anyway, thats my updated status. :beers:
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I unbolted the engine cover and checked inside, there were no pieces of metal, and interestingly enough, this side of the engine is cut-off from the rest. Just a little space where oil flows through.
I then proceeded to seeing if the engine is seized or not. I put the bike in 6th gear, rotated the tire when on centrestand, and it turned flawlessly.
So engine is perfectly fine, aside from the smashed cover.
I noticed that the brake light is constantly on when the key is on "on" position. Its as bright as it gets, no matter if you hold the brake or not. I also noticed that the Electric start doesnt do anything.
I think the electricals on the right handlebar are messed up and is therefore constantly on the brake light and the "emergency off" position. I remember I saw the bike on the "emergency off" position when pinned down so maybe an impact severed the handlebar electrics? <the right handlebar is pretty bent.
anyway, thats my updated status. :beers: