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MODEL SPECIFIC => SUZUKI BANDIT 250 & 400 => Topic started by: Spacey86 on October 15, 2005, 10:48:05 AM
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Hi there dude's. Went to go and fit these really cool twin head lights i got now, thought oh ye nice and easy, take old one off plug in a few connectors bolt new loghts on Jobs a good un'. :duh:
Cor was i wrong, the amount of loom in the back of the head light is abseen. So my main question is"has any body fitted twin lights to the B4, and if so , how did you get round the problem of having loads of loom so make disapear."
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Amazing how they can get 10 lbs of shite in a 5 lb bag, isn't it? :shock:
Two options:
1) Shorten the wires
2) Rearragne the loom and coil & stow excess wire under the tank (or work it all to some other locations) in such a manner that it doesn't melt, chafe or obstruct anything.
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Not sure but I'm gonna have the same problem here soon. Just got myself some Bandit Mania twin beams. :banana: It IS a mess in there, though!
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Not sure but I'm gonna have the same problem here soon. Just got myself some Bandit Mania twin beams. :banana: It IS a mess in there, though!
What ya wasting trackday money on head lights for ? You dont need those on the track yo! :stickpoke:
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Not sure but I'm gonna have the same problem here soon. Just got myself some Bandit Mania twin beams. :banana: It IS a mess in there, though!
Take some pictures while you're switching it over. I've beening thinking about going to another headlight as well.
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Not sure but I'm gonna have the same problem here soon. Just got myself some Bandit Mania twin beams. :banana: It IS a mess in there, though!
What ya wasting trackday money on head lights for ? You dont need those on the track yo! :stickpoke:
I know, I know. Thinkin' the same thing. Always wanted the XB9 look, though.
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Not sure but I'm gonna have the same problem here soon. Just got myself some Bandit Mania twin beams. :banana: It IS a mess in there, though!
Take some pictures while you're switching it over. I've beening thinking about going to another headlight as well.
I'll be sure to document the misery. I need to catch up on a bunch of honey-do's first. Probably won't tackle this 'til mid-winter.
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Does anybody know of a bike with a headlight similar to the B4's but with 2 bulbs. Or something like the Yamaha MT-01 has... two in one, but a little smaller. I'm thinking of installing Xenon but that requires 2 bulbs for low and high lights.
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Why not just use the Yamaha MT-01 headlight, then?
It wouldn't have to be a bike light if the diameter is the same... like maybe a new style VW Beetle?
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Does anybody know of a bike with a headlight similar to the B4's but with 2 bulbs. Or something like the Yamaha MT-01 has... two in one, but a little smaller. I'm thinking of installing Xenon but that requires 2 bulbs for low and high lights.
If you're just looking for brighter - Silvania Silverstars kick ass. They made a HUGE difference for me.
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I have something like that, Philips Vision+. However a friend of mine has xenon 8000K in his Hayabusa and when he switches that on it's like my light doesn't exist. Problem is if I install xenon in the stock headlight I'll lose my high beam function.
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I have something like that, Philips Vision+. However a friend of mine has xenon 8000K in his Hayabusa and when he switches that on it's like my light doesn't exist. Problem is if I install xenon in the stock headlight I'll lose my high beam function.
There is a company here in the States that makes a 7" round HID/Xenon headlight conversion unit for Harley Davidson. While they list it for Harley's, as long as there is clearence in the headlight bucket, the light should work fine on any 12v system with a 7" sized headlight. It's pretty spiffy looking, two bulbs in a single round assembly, with two seperate reflectors. I can't remember the link off the top of my head, I'll look it up when I get home from work.
Unfortunatly, it's expensive. I'm looking into doing something similiar, though. I have HIDs on my car, and they are most impressive. I can see double benifits for having them on the Bandit, improved visibility for you and improved visibility for others that might miss you otherwise.
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Hail Canada... $205 for a 8000K xenon kit :beers:
http://www.xenondepot.com/
Our 8000k Motorcycle HID Conversion Kit will provide an intense blue/purple output. The use of specially designed ballasts for motorcycle applications will make for an easier installation.
1 x Xtreme 8000k Capsule
1 x Motorcycle Application Ballast
Complete instruction manual
For motorcycles using a single H4, 9004, and 9007 bulb for both low and high beam , you will lose your high beam functionality.
Here's a pic of the Honda Hornet 600 headlight
(http://members.home.nl/herrtod/Motor/Hornet600.jpg)
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Grab a Hornet headlamp, since it has seperate low/high beams, and then do the conversion? Sounds like the ticket to me :banana:
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:beers: That's the plan... haven't seen those lamps on eBay yet for a decent price. I could get one for about $100 at a 2nd hand parts reseller. Little more than $300 and you've got the brightest light and best visibility for others. I'll have to check if the Hornet headlight is about the same size as the B4's and then I'll order it.
*edit* Just found one... I wonder what the end price will be. The seller says it's about 215 mm. The Bandit's headlight is about 205 mm. I say that would fit and won't look bad. I just need to remove the plastic housing and replace it with steel-chrome somehow.
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Just get the entire bucket :grin:
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Say hello to my new headlight :grin:
(http://members.home.nl/herrtod/Bandit/Xenon/Koplamp.jpg)
Got it for about $75 at eBay. It should arrive next weekend. First I'm going to install it with the stock lights to see if it looks good and if everything works like it should and then I'll order the xenon kit. I hope to have everything done before November ends.
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:congrats:
Keep us informed! I'll be following suite, possibly.
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Holy crap.... mine (ebay purchase) came today and they have built-in turn signals too!!!!! :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: I'm SO psyched! They'll look so cool all taped up on the track!!!
(http://i5.ebayimg.com/02/i/05/31/3a/b4_1.JPG)
Herr Tod - that's gonna be a great set-up for you!
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I'm sorry... but I think those lamps are the ugliest thing to put on a bike. Looks cheap in my eyes :roll: I want something special... which bike has one lamp, two bulbs and clear glass? That's only one as far as I know. But that one doesn't have xenon :grin:
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I'm sorry... but I think those lamps are the ugliest thing to put on a bike. Looks cheap in my eyes :roll: I want something special... which bike has one lamp, two bulbs and clear glass? That's only one as far as I know. But that one doesn't have xenon :grin:
Yeah - I know whacha mean. Those darn Speed Triples, Speed Fours and Buell XBs all look awful with their dual headlights. :shock: I don't know what I was thinkin'. I'll bet a Buell XB carbon screen will look pretty dumb mounted over it, too. :beers:
As far a xenon goes... I do ride at night some times. Around here however, deer and crappy, unpredictible roads seriously limit the fun of it for me - even if I had a search light mounted. A pair of silverstars shining out of those twins will be more than enought to make me happy.
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I'll bet a Buell XB carbon screen will look pretty dumb mounted over it, too. :beers:
Its funny, but I've been bidding on those lately... but haven't found one to match my budget. I think they look pretty sweet. I've also picked up a flat set of gauges off a gsxr to mount up... because I'm not sure if the big bullet guages will fit nices behind that screen.
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I'll bet a Buell XB carbon screen will look pretty dumb mounted over it, too. :beers:
Its funny, but I've been bidding on those lately... but haven't found one to match my budget. I think they look pretty sweet. I've also picked up a flat set of gauges off a gsxr to mount up... because I'm not sure if the big bullet guages will fit nices behind that screen.
Well, would you STOP bidding against me!!!!! :stickpoke: Hmmm... wonder if he would be interested in a group buy???? BTW last week, a guy was selling his XB headlights, a carbon screen and all the other hardware. I saw it about an hr after he listed it with a BIN of $70US. It was late and I decided to sleep on it. Had made up my mind that I would do it in the am and when I got back to it, they were gone. :banghead:
I love the B4 clocks. I don't see why they wouldn't "fit". They fit just fine behind my screen now. I don't see why they won't work with an XB setup.
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Well, would you STOP bidding against me!!!!! :stickpoke: Hmmm... wonder if he would be interested in a group buy???? BTW last week, a guy was selling his XB headlights, a carbon screen and all the other hardware. I saw it about an hr after he listed it with a BIN of $70US. It was late and I decided to sleep on it. Had made up my mind that I would do it in the am and when I got back to it, they were gone. :banghead:
$70 for the whole setup and you thought about it? I saw the headlights go for $110 US not too long ago. I did the same thing with a sweet ducati tail & seat BIN $90 US. :duh:
I love the B4 clocks. I don't see why they wouldn't "fit". They fit just fine behind my screen now. I don't see why they won't work with an XB setup.
I like the B4 clocks as well. I just want to jam everything behind the screen nice and tight. GSXR clocks have one gauge that is more in the center and should fit nicely behind the lump in the XB screen. I also want to do some custom lighting with the new gauges, and don't want to wreck my B4 gauges.
I'm trying to keep my B4 front end stock, then I'm going to build another front end with USD forks. That way if I sell the B4 I can keep the custom front end.
Edit: I just got a second chance offer on ebay for the carbon fiber screen, bought it. I can't wait to get it.
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There was a guy that fabbed a set of twins (out of hellas, I think) and got like $150 for them! I'm still kicking myself about that BIN I missed. Well, I guess I have one less person bidding against me on the CF screen. :grin: I've got all winter to win one.
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I think those twin lights are cool. Why ain't I installed a set of them is because I don't know how to fit the bulk of cables inside the tiny twin lamp case and not yet find the right lamp.
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Hey Interfuse! How's the install going? I've got my lights bolted on (regardless of what Herr Tod says, they're bad ass looking!). The CF screen should be here anyday. I'm still not sure what I'm gonna do with that mess of wires. I'm having trouble with my clutch cable, too. With my low bars, it's pushing hard on the back of the lights unless I drop the lights down pretty far. Not sure what the solution for that is.
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Rob, I hope you are taking pictures of the install. Right now I'm photo documenting a carb cleaning / rebuild. I also took some pictures of cleaning the starter motor, but a bunch of them didn't turn out (and I'm not taking that thing apart again if I can help it!).
I got the CF screen from a company called DScomposites and it's really nice. I'm still searching for a set of lights. I'm leaning towards the Buell twin light setup. I'll post a picture of the CF screen when I get a chance.
The gxsr speedo housing will work nicely with the CF screen, now I just need to find some gauges to put in it.
My current problem is my bike is stuck at the parking garage and its snowing. Hopefully it will all melt soon so I can ride it home and bring her in the house!
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Uh... yeah... pics... that would be good!!! :idea:
Really, I'm not that far. I'm thinking about shortening several sections of the harness (cutting out sections and soldering them back together). Particularly with my low bars, the wires to the controls are like 6" too long. Then I think I'm going to disconnect the hose from the thermostat to the rad so I can snake the extra wires over above the horn. I've been wanting to change over to water wetter anyway.
I wish DScomposites would get my damn screen to me!
That's awesome about the carb cleaning how-to. Looking forward to that!
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Hey Mike - I know you're not working on this yeat but what are your plans to accommodate the extra draw from the twin beams (see my thread (http://forums.banditalley.net/viewtopic.php?t=3743) in the General Tech forum)? I really hoped that this would be plug and play. I have no desire to tear into the whole harness. Guess it's not that big a deal but I suck at electrics. :sad:
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BTW - DSComposites is just shipping my new screen tomorrow. I paid them on the 17th. They are very nice and apologetic about it but I'm anxious for my new toy. :roll:
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Hey Mike - I know you're not working on this yeat but what are your plans to accommodate the extra draw from the twin beams (see my thread (http://forums.banditalley.net/viewtopic.php?t=3743) in the General Tech forum)? I really hoped that this would be plug and play. I have no desire to tear into the whole harness. Guess it's not that big a deal but I suck at electrics. :sad:
Uh, maybe just install one bulb? :stickpoke:
Seriously. I haven't got that far. I read you message and it got me thinking. I probably wouldn't tear into the wiring harness, I'd just run new wires, and cable tie them to the harness. I'm not the greatest at electrical either, but I've got hook-ups. If you have any questions I can pass them along.
About DSComposites, they did the same thing to me. It took them a month to get me the screen. It's still better then ordering from the UK. It took 5 months for my spare carb to arrive. I figured it got lost...
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it is possible to put the gsxr400 light on a b4, right?
No problem whatsoever, right? (plz plz plz) :wink:
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right!
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Then that's just what i'll do!
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But ehh, i have no info on the gsxr400's. I'm curious how they are attached, are the brackets identical to the b4?
I found the headlight on ebay for a very nice price (hope it stays that way, with all those bids), but it's not visible on the pic if brackets are included. As for fabricating them myself.. well i have two left hands as they say.
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I have no first hand knowledge but I think that you'd be doing a lot of fabrication to mount that up. That light mounts to the fairing stay, I'm sure. The stay mounts to the Gixxer's frame which is TOTALLY different than ours. Are you thinking of doing the whole fairing or just the lights. I think mounting that whole fairing the guy has would sweet.
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i think i can post the link here, but is everyone to be trusted here not to steal this away? :wink:
I hope so...
ebay link for '88 GSX-R400 headlights (http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/Suzuki-GSXR400-GK73A-1988-Headlights_W0QQitemZ8024339698QQcategoryZ10534QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
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Need the fairing stay like Rob said , good luck!
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does anybody have a an exploded view or a parts catalog of the gsxr 400? I'm having trouble visualizing it. :sad:
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I don't have an exploded view, and I couldn't even find a shot of the front of an '88, but here's a look at the '87, which may help give you a basic idea even though the '88 got all new bodywork. The headlights are mounted in the bodywork and held in place by the fairing bracketry, so they don't bolt-up to the forks at all. This is also why the headlight assembly shown on the ebay link isn't dressed up and pretty looking since the only part that is out for show are the lamps themselves.
(http://www.suzukicycles.org/photos/suzuki-history/1987/1987_GSX-R400_500.jpg)
Here's a profile shot of an '88 GSX-R400:
(http://www.suzukicycles.org/photos/GSX-R/GSX-R400/1988_GSX-R400J_blwh_520.jpg)
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does anybody have a an exploded view or a parts catalog of the gsxr 400? I'm having trouble visualizing it. :sad:
(http://[URL=http://imageshack.us][img]http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/5041/fairingbracket7tc.jpg)[/URL][/img]
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aah yes, now i see!
Okay, so i need to make indeed a bracket to keep it form front, doesn't look too difficult and i'm sure some friends here are willing to help me out.
Thanks everybody!
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a little bit off-topic here: Are the front brake calipers (and discs) of a gsxr400 bolt-on swappalbe on a b4 and is this better quality?
My gut tells me yes, even though i only have one front brake, i'd like to have one in reserve. As for the calipers, better braking is better braking, or is it too much braking?
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Nope, you'll need the entire front to make that fit. The GSXR calipers are static, the ones on the single disc Bandit can move to the left or right. So even if the GSXR caliper fits on your current fork it shouldn't be done. Now you have a 310 mm disc (if I'm not mistaken), the GSXR and West German B4 has 290 mm discs.
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I think Herr Tod is correct - I think the twin discers have smaller discs. Also, you don't have a boss for the right-side caliper. You'd need at least the right fork leg off a 2x disc bike.
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id put the gixxer rotor and brake on hell id put the rotor on and then a nissian 6 piston brake caliper a gold one! :banana: :stickpoke: :beers:
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id put the gixxer rotor and brake on hell id put the rotor on and then a nissian 6 piston brake caliper a gold one! :banana: :stickpoke: :beers:
Hmmm...is it possible there is a GSXR rotor and caliper that would bolt up to the Bandit fork leg? This combo and a nissin master cylinder sounds like good (cheap) brake upgrade without having to swap the entire front end.
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sure is
:stickpoke:
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id put the gixxer rotor and brake on hell id put the rotor on and then a nissian 6 piston brake caliper a gold one! :banana: :stickpoke: :beers:
No you wouldn't. :tongue:
You'd put the whole GSXR front end on it.
For the single disc Bandits that want twin discs. it's easiest to swap a twin disc front end on the bike. You can choose from Katanas, bigger Bandits or if you wanna go USD while you're at it, early GSXR750 USD units.
And what's up with the gold 6-pot Nissin calipers - I was under the impression they're the same as the black ones, except for paint color.
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id put the gixxer rotor and brake on hell id put the rotor on and then a nissian 6 piston brake caliper a gold one! :banana: :stickpoke: :beers:
No you wouldn't. :tongue:
You'd put the whole GSXR front end on it.
For the single disc Bandits that want twin discs. it's easiest to swap a twin disc front end on the bike. You can choose from Katanas, bigger Bandits or if you wanna go USD while you're at it, early GSXR750 USD units.
And what's up with the gold 6-pot Nissin calipers - I was under the impression they're the same as the black ones, except for paint color.
Yes you would put just one gixxer 400 rotor on and one caliper, but if you want the whole speel rgv 250 coventional forks are the same and gixxer 400 GK73 , i seen rf 600 forks on they looked good
And yes the gold is the same as the black just color choice
the rgv and the gk73 slide right into your tripple so you dont need a complete front end! and can use yur front wheel!
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Dammit! nobody, absolutely NOBODY, is selling front ends on ebay these days :crybaby:
But it'll be something to keep in mind when the time comes...
Thanks everyone!!
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deal of the century
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Suzuki-GSXR400-GK73A-1988-Front-forks_W0QQitemZ8027001646QQcategoryZ10534QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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and another dual disc
but not adjustable like the gixxer one
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Suzuki-400-Bandit-GSF400-Front-End_W0QQitemZ8026993747QQcategoryZ10534QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Yes you would put just one gixxer 400 rotor on and one caliper, but if you want the whole speel rgv 250 coventional forks are the same and gixxer 400 GK73 , i seen rf 600 forks on they looked good
And yes the gold is the same as the black just color choice
the rgv and the gk73 slide right into your tripple so you dont need a complete front end! and can use yur front wheel!
I'm intrigued by this post and the auctions you found. Forgive me, I've searched the myriad of front-end swap options and I'm trying to keep everything straight.
With the GSXR400 forks, I could use my stock, single-disc front wheel. Correct?
Would I need the GSXR400 caliper too? And would I have to switch to the smaller GSXR400 disc?
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Oh...My...God...
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Mine! Mine! Mine! :lol:
Dayum!
This is very, very interesting and oh so tempting...
I'll keep my eyes out on those bids!! :grin:
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Yes you would put just one gixxer 400 rotor on and one caliper, but if you want the whole speel rgv 250 coventional forks are the same and gixxer 400 GK73 , i seen rf 600 forks on they looked good
And yes the gold is the same as the black just color choice
the rgv and the gk73 slide right into your tripple so you dont need a complete front end! and can use yur front wheel!
I'm intrigued by this post and the auctions you found. Forgive me, I've searched the myriad of front-end swap options and I'm trying to keep everything straight.
With the GSXR400 forks, I could use my stock, single-disc front wheel. Correct?
Would I need the GSXR400 caliper too? And would I have to switch to the smaller GSXR400 disc?
Same front wheel, 2 gixxer discs and calipers or 6 piston calipers from a 750 1100 or i even think bandit calipers 1200 or rgv 250 calipers and more im sure! this will slide right in your triple trees!
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Thanks!
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Same front wheel...
Huh? My front wheel does not have anywhere to bolt on a right-side rotor.
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is there a plastick cover over the one side yo with out the rotor?
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There is. I seem to remember Thief saying he had to tap his wheel to use it with his Kat F/E. I could be wrong, tho.
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I think thats how it works the holes are there but need tapped !
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So... it's NOT the same wheel!!! :monkeymoon: :stickpoke:
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yes damnit smae wheel just they never tapped the hole there is s whole there tho ! i had one but it was like 5 years ago i dont run those poopy wheels! :stickpoke:
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Relax or I'll kick you like grandma there in your avatar! :lol:
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slow yur role there pedro! Or if your LAZY you could go buy a gixxer front wheel! But id just tap the pre made holes my self! :beers:
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:downhill:
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Installed my Hornet 600 headlight today. Made it so that both lamps are lit when I switch to high beam, however I use a diode for this at the moment but I'm going to use a relais for it because a diode 'steals' volts and makes the lights dim a little bit. All I can say is... there is light!!! :shock: I'll post some pics tomorrow.
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Here we go, don't look at the blinkers :duh:
(http://members.home.nl/herrtod/Bandit/Upgrades/Hornet600_lamp/IMAG0005.jpg)
(http://members.home.nl/herrtod/Bandit/Upgrades/Hornet600_lamp/IMAG0010.jpg)
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Very cool!!
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Looks great.
Did you use the B4 headlight bucket or the entire honda unit? Did the wiring tuck in there nicely or was modding req'd?
What bulbs does that housing take?
How's the light output compared to the stock B4?
THanks
Dave
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I used the complete Hornet headlight. I want to have a chrome bucket again though, might try to mod one or have this (plastic) one chromed. It uses two H11 bulbs (yes that is 11, not 1). The light is much brighter than the stock H4 bulb and I can have both bulbs lit at the same time. The wires are downright terror, I had no problems with them in the original headlight though. I also have some extra wires because of the dual light thing. After a while when the wires get used to their new home it will be a bit easier I think.
It's too bad I crashed my bike the day after this mod, (the headlight is still in one piece) so I have to spend the money I've put aside for xenon lights on repairs :duh:
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Nice mod!
damn, your bike crashed and mine just returned from the stealership. :sad:
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Sorry, HT. Hope you get her fixed up quick.