Bandit Alley
MODEL SPECIFIC => SUZUKI BANDIT 250 & 400 => Topic started by: Unique on March 19, 2012, 10:19:50 PM
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Hi All
Its taking some time to get here,
http://www.uniquebandit400blog
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It's because you spelled blogsopot in the link :duh: :bandit:
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Thanks Squishy
i've redone it but still do doesn't work!
When i preview before posting it shown as a link, but not when posted. I making some silly mistake somewhere.. i have to come back to it later.
dek
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Thanks Squishy
i've redone it but still do doesn't work!
When i preview before posting it shown as a link, but not when posted. I making some silly mistake somewhere.. i have to come back to it later.
dek
Works fine for me :P
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My new
toy tool
It's a lot nicer standing up then laying or bending down on the floor and lot safer too, for me and the b4’ blocking-up with blocks of wood and then finding the blocks are in the way of what you’ll trying to do is a pain in the backside. With the lift now’ if I got the rear out and wanted to start on the front-end that's no problem unlike before, I can also stop the lift at any height I wish too. I can even move the lift around with the bike still fix to it which is helpfully as room is limited.
I was looking at the normal bike table before I saw this lift, my workshop is long and thin and wouldn't have had the room for a table lift anyway and with this lift when I'm done I can hang it up on the wall out of the way?.
It did take a while to sort-out and fix the small bandit to the bike-lift mounts. Now setup the lift works very well and life lot easier now with the bike in the air.
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Lookn good!
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Neat. I've never seen a lift like that before. Good find.
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I've just few days ago posted an update to my bike blog, in case the link below, like me, doesn't work for you form here, uses google search itself and type "Uniquedek" and should bring-up one of my post and click on newer or older post at bottom of post too move the way you wish? .
I have to say as you all known here, that this is a great forum if not the best, :congrats: only wished I knew about here while doing my first build many years ago. I have a possible problem before I move onto the next step the chain alinement, ect. Which again this forum is all so good for!!!.
before posting my post here the link to my site doesn't show in the preview box before posting!.
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I checked out your block and photobucket today. Bike is coming along ......very nice!!!!!
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Hi Mate
Not as fast as yours is coming along, mine being to pickup the pace?
Thanks for all info :thumb:
I've gone with 45 teeth..
I had email many companies with few replies and even fewer who were able to help. So often when i came cross company that look good I find they were in the USA by the time I add p&p and possible tax it would blow it out of the water.
I could have gone on looking but wanted to wrap this part of the build up and as I had found three companies who were willing to help and whom I felt would do a good job.
I cold have used 530 Rear sprocket milled down but by the time I add the cost up it came out more or less the same as have one made up. The front sprocket was much the same and a rough working out I may have been able to save £40? In the end I went with a company who will make me up one off’ offset sprocket.
The machinist I found through a local tooling shop who will machine the sprocket-hub... which I now been out too, couldn’t do the front sprocket' welding,etc. Hopefully will have the rear sprocket and chain in about a week time!!
I’ve starts rewriting some of my blog post I’ve posted in the past as I’ve reread some of the content of the post again and was having trouble reading myself let alone anyone else, so far I’ve rewritten "frame a picture" post and the hump post will be next when I get time to do so and hopefully all will read better soon!!!.
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Hi Unique
Looking good, just seen the blog update
How much did you have machined off the sprocket carrier?
I'm just about to start putting a GSXR K4 swingarm into my 91 400.
I've also got a K4 750 USD front end to go in aswell
Cheers
Chris
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Hi Chris
Sorry' Been away on a week Holiday (Vacation)
Seams TJS is still having troubles with the rear setup!... Does this mean I will?
Will post more late today when I've got bit more time, It will be another week or more before I get the front sprocket back?.
I used a Laser Chain Alignment tool like this one in the link http://www.probike.co.uk/it110009.htm , off ebay I think it was £34. Which I found very useful.. But I found the rear wheel has to be in line with the front wheel to give the best readings.
Dek
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I can't wait for El Gringo to show us How to...use a K4 swingarm!
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I can't wait for El Gringo to show us How to...use a K4 swingarm!
Neither can I........ Oh wait that's me :bandit:
Hopefully i will be pulling the standard arm out this afternoon for a measure up.
It may not work/be too much machining but i'm determined to give it a go - i think the arm can be made to fit but the chain run will be the main issue
Cheers
Chris
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Hi Chris
I was about to post this' when you posted a reply to TJS post..
I can't wait for El Gringo to show us How to...use a K4 swingarm!
I was thinking the same! ... I can see few problems straight off, which I was going to mention in my next post later when I've get it to read bit better? Which was? .....
"I google “GSXR K4 swingarm” The one I saw on ebay' the suspension linkage (dog bones mounts are not the same as the b4 setup). Are you sure Chris you can make the swingarm fit?”.....................................................
Good luck Chris' with this afternoon.
Dek
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I asked my machinist to mill 3mm off the hub surface, the surface to be milled is where the sprocket bolts too, and is milled up to, but not including the lip which is needed to centralise the sprocket to the hub’ and therefore must be kept at all cost. The 3mm milling will bring the sprocket closer to the tyre.
I also ask him to improve-on the gap between my new sprocket and hub lip as the new sprocket wasn’t as tight fitting compared to the original sprocket.
When I went to collect the hub he had done a great job on the sprocket to hub fitment’ I couldn’t wish for a tighter fit. Although later at home when I measured to see whether he taking 3mm off I could only account for 2.5 mm and not the 3mm, though I decided to stay with the 2.5mm.
When it came to sizing up what offset I needed for the new front sprocket, I first looked at TJS http://forums.banditalley.net/index.php?topic=12977.0 photos as a guideline, but otherwise decided to carry out my own measurement. I first started with a straight edge but this soon proved not to be as a easy method as I first thought, so I bought a laser-align tool but still wasn’t getting anywhere so I put the old b4 swingarm back in and took measurement with the chain adjusted and unadjusted, the unadjusted measurement matched the RF swingarm measurement I was getting. So this is where I came up with the dummy sprocket idea.
Whether I used a straight edge or laser-align tool’ which in the end I used both, I found without adjusting the chain up I couldn’t pull the rear wheel inline with the front wheel and therefore in turn the alignment between rear and front sprocket no matter what I tried.
The dummy sprocket I made up, I had to make in two to three bits then glue them together, worked find for adjusting the chain-up but when I tried to rotary chain and sprockets more 60 chain links or so the dummy sprocket would come apart and need reglueing’ so whether they a problem here or just my glueing? We have to see.
After measure, measure and measuring again and now seam to be getting the same resorts each time and the straight edge would slide between the front and rear edge of the tyre and line-up with the back edge of the chain
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and the laser was hitting the same spot on the rear of the chain/sprocket as well as the front of the chain/sprocket.... I made the decided its time to bite the bullet and send the sprocket to Scott/sprocket department @ TALON ENGINEERING LTD.
Beforehand’ I sent Scott, a few? More photos of what I had done. Hoping he spots anything I missed! .
I hear you say’ why not do some basic sums...I’m no mathematicians, very basic skills! Maths wasn’t one of my favourites at school, in fact neither was school.
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The 3mm I originally took off the rear sprocket hub was based on my front sprocket that was being made. I now use a stock gsxr hub with no machining to match the stepped out and machined custom front sprocket. The front sprocket is actually two 520 RM 250 sprockets welded together then machined.
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Thanks Dek and TJS, useful info
Unfortunately I didn't get chance to make a start yesterday other than a few measurements for spacers etc.
I think i will have to run with short dog bones, will have to see how much it affected the ratio of the linkage.
Rather than clutter you thread i will start a fresh one when i have some pictures for a how to (or more likely how not to).
One thing i have found looking at the K series rear hub is that there is not much to machine off on the front before you hit the face of it - depending on how much needs to come off it may have to come of the back of the cush drive lugs and have the sprocket spacer shortened/outer spacer extended.
The other problem i can see is moving the chain right handed towards the hub is going to be hampered by the brace on the swingarm. I have an old RM250 sprocket from a previous project that i could use the middle of to make a stepped version but i need to do some measurements first.
Cheers
Chris
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The 3mm I originally took off the rear sprocket hub was based on my front sprocket that was being made. I now use a stock gsxr hub with no machining to match the stepped out and machined custom front sprocket. The front sprocket is actually two 520 RM 250 sprockets welded together then machined.
Sorry... TJS I assume the sprockets was cut first then welded, now thinking about it, that’s more logically. Talking about logically!.. I didn’t have 3mm 2.5mm taking off, without first checking things out for myself.. My logic? Rightly or wrongly was to do the work in stages.
stage one’ have the new 45 teeth sprocket and chain supplied.
stage two’ fit sprocket/hub/chain and then workout whether 3mm (2.5mm) would be find, then had the hub machined.
stage three’ refit items and workout the measurements for the front sprocket, this is where I decided 2.5 mm would be fine.
I know you are now using stock oem rear sprocket hub from a '94/'95 gsxr 750
http://forums.banditalley.net/index.php?topic=13508.msg107003;topicseen#new
I will wait till my front sprocket arrives and see what reading I get when refitted and will check the areas where you were having the problems, your gap between the tyre edge and chain looks smaller then mine this maybe just the angle of the photo.
My straight edge is about 9mm thick.
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I'm very interested in your front sprocket! I know their is a place here in the states that custom orders stepped out front sprockets from the UK. But they only deal in bikes from the '70's and '80's. These sprockets look really good! Let us know how it goes and if he can do different mm of step out.....and can he "harden" the sprocket.
These are the guys:
http://www.fastfromthepast.com/servlet/StoreFront
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I'm very interested in your front sprocket! I know their is a place here in the states that custom orders stepped out front sprockets from the UK. But they only deal in bikes from the '70's and '80's. These sprockets look really good! Let us know how it goes and if he can do different mm of step out.....and can he "harden" the sprocket.
These are the guys:
http://www.fastfromthepast.com/servlet/StoreFront
I' email Scott today regards to the above and this was is reply.....
Hello Derek
We can make special sprockets and ship to the USA, if the sprockets are standard we have a distributor for north America (Dubya
Your sprocket is nearly finished and should be going to heat treatment in the next couple of days.
Many thanks
Scott - Sprocket department.................
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I received the new sprocket from Scott/sprocket department @ TALON ENGINEERING LTD, on Monday the 24 June,
everything seams to fit well.
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*banned domain*.co.uk/2013/06/new-front-sprocket
some of you know it, my full blog link address wont show here...been here before! any trouble just...google "unique/dek"
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Looks great Dek!
What was the offset on the sprocket if you don't mind me asking.
Cheers
Chris
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Looks great Dek!
What was the offset on the sprocket if you don't mind me asking.
Cheers
Chris
I measure it bit later and get back to you in about 1/12 hours.
By the way, yours is looking great too.
Thanks Chris
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My Clarke calipers isn't the best of tools.
Rotation motion of chain/sprocket/wheel seams to run smoothly and in straight line with a good equal gap between chain and tyre as rear wheel turns a full 360
But then "TJS" thought the same back at the beginning of this build!
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Cheers Dek, that's great, perfect to get me started.
I've made some slow progress, just waiting for a free evening to borrow a friends lathe to turn up my top hat spacers.
My biggest stumbing block at the moment is the lack of proper wheels, i can get the front and rear fitted but without the correct GSXR wheels i keep having to put the standard Bandit bits back in so i can roll it around. :duh:
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Really nice! I think there could be a market for those!
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Hi Chris and TJS
Chris' Not to rub it in :grin: Its nice to open a door/switch light on, walk into a dry workshop, though I could do with more room like TJS or my mates workshop 24 feet sq. with a walk in loft as well.
I know all to well about slow progress.
TJS' I tried to point this out to Scott, Oh well if it does perhaps I see something in the post :trustme:
At the moment part from spending time online trying to bring work my way "Business wise" I trying to find good set of front headlights as well as trying finding another way of mounting them, about order some else off ebay!!!.
and decided how I'm going to finish the swingarm, Wheels and other bits I will paint myself again but I could do with a new air compressor head pump....just thinking ebay might be where to look? money the trouble.......
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I saw you chromed or polished the front forks and triples. Why not do the same to the swingarm?
As for wheels?...you can get a good finish with spray cans and sand paper. Then when you have more $$$ coming in; you can do a professional paint or powdercoat.
My $$$ got tight for a while too. During that time I just road the bike around in full mock up form. This gave me time to test all the modifications.
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This is how I did it before the garage.
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What is the total width of the sprocket? From inside edge that faces the motor to the outside edge?
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What is the total width of the sprocket? From inside edge that faces the motor to the outside edge?
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The Clarke Calipers I have its readings varies! (14.37)?
When I posted the wooden sample sprocket to Scott I also email him some photo as the original sprocket had some end float between sprocket and circlip and wasn't sure if there should be, Scott said some sprocket do, and once they had received all items as well as the original sprocket he would work it out. The new sprocket is a tight fit but the circlip turns freely. As I said all seams to be well!
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I saw you chromed or polished the front forks and triples. Why not do the same to the swingarm?
As for wheels?...you can get a good finish with spray cans and sand paper. Then when you have more $$$ coming in; you can do a professional paint or powdercoat.
My $$$ got tight for a while too. During that time I just road the bike around in full mock up form. This gave me time to test all the modifications.
Polishing the swingarm is one option and one I probably will go with, which in turn will saves bit of painting' though areas that pick-up lot mud and which are hard to get too, to clean I may blow-in with some paint/clear coat’ Somehow like around the pivot areas.
Small items like the caliper half I will have powdercoate. The wheels wont be powdercoate as there can't do what I wanted. Finishing with spray cans is something I try not to do too much of... but as a stop gap, possible?.
"During that time I just road the bike around in full mock up form"... sounds good way of testing all the modifications.
The start of July has seen a Improvement in workload :bandit:
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I see the part number on the side. What bike do they list it for?
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I see the part number on the side. What bike do they list it for?
My thought on the part number'...Is whether the sprocket they are makeup is a stock item or special item they stamp there own number on the sprocket so in the coming months, year's, I or someone else can look at the sprocket and give them the part number so they can find the right sprocket, I will email and ask Scott.
We're probably will all go about doing things in many difference ways and mine regards to finding the offset and the inset for the circlip was to makeup a sample sprocket which I made it in two parts so I could make many different sizes of offset to find the best one. I also used some shims that I have in stock which is for getting a right end-float on the front king pins for an old 307D van, and the shims-fitted the shaft. I knew they were probably differences between ours sprockets and is one of my difficult decision to make when placing my order with Scott, only time will tell if I made the right decision?.
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Scott responds, (who puts it better) email partly reads.... The part number is specific to your dimensions.
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Looking good Dek
I think i may be making a call to Talon shortly....
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Thanks to Unique's research....I have ordered one! 14T / 520 / 16mm width
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A gamble that seam to be paying off, although I've still have a lot of work to do to make the "600 BANDIT UNDERTRAY" fit 400’ so it looks like it was made for the 400. There are areas where I've had to cut the undertray to make it fit and they're areas where the 600 undertray and b4 bodywork don't meet one another very well and again areas where there are opened spaces between the undertray and bodywork that need to be enclosed as well as a hole need to be cut for the battery carrier to be refitted and all these will need re-fibreglassing, it will? Look as good as my hump does when finished! .
I made the rear light unit during the first build and it does fit better then it looks in the photo, but it could do with some rework and maybe fit round-lights this time? I will leave the undertray for a while to have a thought about the best way forward. The mounting of the headlights is next and I haven’t so far liked all that I’ve seen on the net, so' looking to make something up to mount headlights off and meanwhile I need to order a Fibreglass repair kit probably from ebay which is where the undertray came from.
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