Bandit Alley
MODEL SPECIFIC => SUZUKI BANDIT 600 thru 1200 - AIR/OIL COOLED TECHNICAL => Topic started by: gzone on March 25, 2005, 09:14:45 AM
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I have been reading some of the posts bout changing the gear ratio for a little more get up and go, and was wondering just what is the stock sprocket size for the rear sprocket. See the bike I bought only had 280 miles on it last year but it had been hbacked into in a guys driveway and been fixed up. i know the swingarm and rear sprocket, along with plastic and enginge covers, have been replaced but I don't think they put the stock size gear back on. I only counted 47 teeth on it. I have been thinking of going to a 50 tooth, but just what exactly is the the stock size??
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Stock gearing on a 1200 is 15/45.
One of the 600 guys will correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC, the 600 is 15/47 in the USA and 15/48 in some other markets.
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My 1G B6 came stock with 15/48. I went up 2 on the rear and it got more zappy at all speeds, its a little buzzy on the freeway. I do tend to drive a bit over the limit tho.
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I just bought a new front/rear sprocket from sprocket center and I think I may have goofed up. I went list of makes and picked suzuki and then ordered the vortex front 15 and vortex 47 rear but they didn't give choice of bike. Do most Suzuki sport bikes sprocket fit up the same or did I just goof up by not finding the sprocket just for the bandit 600? They did have list for a kit for the B6 but it was 530 setup and I changed over to 520 setup and bought each part separatly!
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Not 100% on the answer, but I was thinking the Bandit was the same as most Suzuki 4 cylinder bikes in its displacement classes. Pretty sure the SV uses different stuff though.
Might wanna contact who you ordered from and get your order corrected if need be.
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Doing a search and saw this thread . . .
I've been searching on some of the forums for something. Maybe someone here can help me.
I have a 2002 Bandit 600S. The sprockets have been replaced once. I now have a 48-toother in the rear, and God-knows-what up front. I paid the stealership to handle it the first time, and I specified that I wanted the same set-up.
I recently got the Haynes manual, and in the specs section, they list me as a 47-toother out back. I accidentally bought the British version of the Haynes manual, so I'm not sure that everything is the same on the different versions (US vs UK).
Did my US 2002 B6 most likely come with a 47 or a 48-tooth sprocket in the rear?
I'm going to do the switch myself htis time, and I need to order a new chain/sprocket set and I don't know what to get.
Thanks, folks!
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I have a 2000 B6 that came stock as a 15/47, I've tried every avenue since, If your looking to line snatch vortec makes an aluminum 52 rear, drawback are that it doesn't last real long and you loose a lot of top end, but boy does it snatch, I could teach a 6 year old to slow wheelie on that one, but you'll also only get about 13 mph till redline,stick that with a 13t front and you've got a chain loosening combo, if your looking to race 1/8's or 1/4's and trying to find a sprocket combo you can play with too<wheelies>....go with a 13t front (is there any other? :motorsmile: ) and a 48t rear , good combo,lasts awhile since you can get them steel and they don't snatch TOO hard,gives you good power off the line and brings the front tire up pretty smoothly.
http://www.msnusers.com/joesbikepics/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1
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Will a 13T up front keep the chain off the swingarm?
I've read plenty of "advice" suggesting it was bordering on criminal to run 14T up front because of the smaller radius being hard on chains and one or two suggesting possible swingarm issues on the B12. I realize the B6 has a different swingarm, but chain size is the same, so chain life would be even more effected by a 13T than a 14T.
Are you saying the 52T Vortec doesn't last long because of its size, or because it's aluminum?
Are you suggesting a 13/52 combo? (The 52T might help keep the chain off the swingarm.) That's 4:1 gearing. A pretty radical change for most folks with the stock 15/47 (3.13:1) or 15/48 (3.2:1) gearing. That's a 20-22% rise in rpm for any given speed.
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I'm not recommending the 13t-52t change for anyone except for someone wanting to show off a slow wheelie, I personally recommend a 13t-48t switch though....
As far as the vortec wearing out, i found it only due to so much torque on an aluminum sprocket.
And for clearance on the 13t i've heard of others having problems with drag on the swingarm but on my 00'B6 I've had none myself.
(http://img174.exs.cx/img174/8703/mybandit25xa.th.jpg) (http://img174.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img174&image=mybandit25xa.jpg)
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<ahem>
Thanks thattat2guy.
Anyone else want to venture a guess what my 2002 B6 came with for a stock rear sprocket?
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Hey Gang. I am interested in this as well. Found this on Ebay. Is it worth it?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=35600&item=4540269681&rd=1
Thanks in advance..
Kiley
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I personally don't know anything about the "xso" chains, I run o-rings and am happy with them, as far as the vortec aluminum sprockets go, i dont like them because the teeth wear down alot faster than steel sprockets, that and as I've stated before I don't like the 520 conversion due to the fact that a smaller chain = a weaker chain, ive had a 520 break on my 600 so i can imagine on a 12, as far as the gears on a 1200 im kinda in the dark also but just from experience with bikes, taking your rear sprocket down to a 44 and leaving the front at a 15...all its gonna do is keep your top end at a higher speed, but how often do you go top end?Some of the guys will prob help you out on exact gear ratios but a 47 or 48t rear and a 14t front should be what your looking for...and by the way, your local bike shop should be able to get you out the door with a new chain and f & R sprockets for about $165 if not better, go with what you know, and if you dont know at least you can take it back to the shop you bought it from....
And to the other guy, if you have a gen2 bandit, you should have came stock with a 14t or 15t front but your rear WAS a 47....
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Thanks thattat2guy for the words of wisdom.. I am just looking for a little more get off the line oomph. I was cruising the interstate the other day and realized I had plenty of top end-cracked the throttle at 95 and still took off like a shot.. I could afford to lose a little if I had to.
:taz:
Kiley
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if yer looking for a little more off the line snatch then just drop one tooth on the front sprocket, if it aint enough for ya start raising teeth in the rear, i just cant stress enough......
.....................STAY AWAY FROM THE 520 CONVERSION...................
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thattat2guy:
ok ok ok! I get it! :lol: Thanks again. To be honest, I kinda want the low end so I can wheelie a little. So would one down in front would be enough or would you suggest one down in rear as well?
Thanks
Kiley
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depends on if your on a 600 or 1200, the 12 should come up pretty easily regardless, the 6 is a little trickier, one down in the front may do it...but whatever you do, if your looking to do wheelies, youll wanna go UP in the rear, not down.....also a piece of advice...on a B6, powering a 6 up on throttle is next to impossible, but heres a couple of little tricks to it
1 is you can clutch it up, by bringing your rpm's up in 1st gear the dumping your clutch you can bring it up, but be careful, too much rpm and youll be laying flat on your back, start in first rolling at about 4 mph get the rpms up to about 1800 then dump the clutch, see what it does...adjust the rpm to come up smoothly, and remember your bodyweight can affect this greatly.
the other way is get the bike rolling (4-14 mph) then blip the throttle <let off the gas quickly) as soon as the forks attempt to start expanding (coming back up , they should do this fast) give it some gas, this is the way i stand mine up and it works pretty well, B6's are hard to keep up stock, you have to work on your body balance to keep it up, once its up.. the wheelie is going to depend on YOUR balance more than throttle positioning.
Above everything else remember, 12 o'clocks are something that take a lot of time, patience and nuts to pull off, don't rush it, be cautious and persistant, respect your bike or find disrespect from the asphalt.
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Thanks again thattat2guy.. I apologize, I have an 04 1200s. Keep the suggestions coming...
Kiley
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with it being a 1200 you shouldnt have a problem doing wheelies with stock gears, its just an issue of practice,practice rolling the throttle like i said in the last reply and you shouldnt have a problem getting it up
...joe
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Hey thanks Joe!!
Kiley
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To get what you're after, you can go down in the front, and/or up in the rear.
Roughly speaking, a -1T change front = +3T in the rear.
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And to the other guy, if you have a gen2 bandit, you should have came stock with a 14t or 15t front but your rear WAS a 47....
I thought so. Thanx. :grin:
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Hey Kiley:
I went up 1 tooth in the rear (15-46) and I am very happy with this combo.
I do a fair bit of highway travelling so I was a little leary about going 1 tooth down in the front or 3 in the rear.
Wheelies just fine.
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Thanks Bazza, I will give that a try.
Kiley :thanks:
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I changed my mind!
I have gone back to the stock 15-45 combo, as I did find that the 15-46 took away from where I did most of my riding. I found the bike just a little busy at highway speeds, and in not a nice way. It increased my RPM about 600 at highway cruise.
This combo would have been ok if I did most of my riding around town.
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I have the 15/45 on my 98 Bandit, I have a new 16 tooth front sprocket, If the chain is long enough, I am going to put it on when I change tires later this week.