Bandit Alley
MODEL SPECIFIC => SUZUKI BANDIT 600 thru 1200 - AIR/OIL COOLED TECHNICAL => Topic started by: Waldron on November 01, 2007, 05:47:10 PM
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Does anyone have a spare 2G (2002) petcock? Maybe someone who's upgraded to a Pingel unit? I just got a call from the bike shop, and the tech says the interior has been pitted somehow, and it needs to be replaced. I figured I'd try here before shelling out $80 at the dealer.
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You are not alone. I had the same problem on my 02 1200 and several others have reported that they had the same problem with stock petcocks leaking.
Fuel leaked past the petcock and contaminated my oil twice before I figured our why it was happening.
My 3 options were:
1. Buy another stock one (new or used)
2. Upgrade to a Pingel
3. Install an in-line valve between the stock petcock amd the carbs
Although option #3 was by far the cheapest and would work fine, I went with a new Pingel and I am glad I did.
It is an easy to use manual petcock with reserve.
Replacement parts are available if they are ever needed.
It is beautifully made and it cost no more than the stock part. (like jewlery for my bike) It is so nice to look at that it is almost a shame that it is hidden from view.
In my opinion, a stock replacement is a poor second choice and the replacement might fail too for the same reason that the original one failed - it just is not as well made as the Pingel.
An addes plus is that, if theft is attempted, my bike won't start unless the fuel tap is opened. In this modern day of automatic fuel valves, most thieves probably would not know that they needed to turn on the fuel to start my bike.
My opinion: Just buy the Pingel.
Good luck,
Dave
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Dave:
Do you have the Pingel part number for that petcock ?? I have an idea that I should maybe replace the p/c on my 2.5G......just for shytes and gigles....and, as you say, a good first-line anti-theft device, too !!!
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Rick,
The P/N and description on the label is as follows:
4221-AH Fuel Valve 3/8 NPT Hex 3/8 Hose G
Dave
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Thanks, Dave. I'll check it out.
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Wow great news (at least for solving my problem). My 02 1200 has developed the same thing - leaking past the pet cock down into the crank case. First time was crazy when I went to change the oil - gas all over the place.
Question do you have to mod the tank for the pingle unit?
Second quick question - how come the floats didn't stop the gas?
Thanks in advance,
GeorgeJ
02 - 1200
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Second quick question - how come the floats didn't stop the gas?
They should have.
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Red01 is right. The floats definitely should have stopped the gas from entering the crankcase - but at least one of them must have leaked very slowly. In both instances the bike had been parked for extended periods.
Yes, the hole in the tank must be enlarged slightly with a rat-tail file to provide clearance for the screened filter on the petcock.
Drain the tank and flush with water, then dry with compressed air before filing to minimize risk of fire.
It was an easy job and, since then, no leaks.
Good luck.
Dave
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Thats what I was thinking (floats). Well I'm gonna order the pingle and get it done. Tired of having to peak into the site window to see if its totally full then I know Im hosed. It was weird cause I never would have thought the valve would fail like that. Untill I drained the carbs one nite cause I was gonna pull them to change the pilots. So the next morning I popped a drain on one and it was full again. I never put two and two together that that would lead to gas n the crank. The local dealer said "oh yeah bike musta been sitting on he side stand and number one float is mess-up". Well he was rite about the side stand but never mentioned the fuel valve.
Oh well mystery solved. Thanks for all you help folks. Now the next project is to jet the bike. 12K miles and I'm gonna yank the carbs to check/adjust the valves anyway. :grin:
:thanks:
George
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Shortly after I bought my 02 B12 (after my second ride), I noticed gas pouring from the airbox. One of the floats must have been stuck open, in addition to the petcock. I had rode it several miles like this and it locked the engine up. I ended up paying for a total top end rebuild and my bike was in the shop for months because of a part ordering nightmare. What a mess. Now I have noticed an oil drip from the #4 carb (from L to R) and am wondering if something is going wrong again. Any ideas?
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...Yes, the hole in the tank must be enlarged slightly with a rat-tail file to provide clearance for the screened filter on the petcock....
Isn't the hole in the tank threaded to receive the petcock?
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Isn't the hole in the tank threaded to receive the petcock?
I don't recall threads...my '01 has a gasket and two screws. (Note the pingel requires an adapter plate that takes the threads of the valve and provides two bolt holes).
So I'm joining this thread after starting another one on Christmas day because my case was full of gas. Seems like my answer was already here.
The Pingel petcock sounds like a great idea, and I'm planning on doing it. But the part numbers now have me a little confused. The application chart on Pingel's website lists two different Bandit (1200) parts:
http://www.pingelonline.com/powerflo_application_chart.htm
The first is actually listed in the HONDA section as a 2002 Bandit 1200 (1st Line under the Honda section) and is, as Dave pointed out, 4221-AH.
BUT, under the Suzuki section it lists 3211-D-AH or 3211-D-CH for ALL Bandit 1200's. Perhaps this is why you had to file your tank, Dave? Maybe the 3211 part fits without mod?
Any thoughts?
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From what I see on the Pingel chart, the 4211 is for the 600cc Bandit, and the 3211 is for the 1200.
http://www.pingelonline.com/powerflo_application_frames.htm
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From what I see on the Pingel chart, the 4211 is for the 600cc Bandit, and the 3211 is for the 1200.
http://www.pingelonline.com/powerflo_application_frames.htm
That sounds right and matches the chart I linked to as long as you ignore the "Honda" Bandit 1200... :monkeymoon:
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BikeBandit's schematic shows only one outlet on the petcock, and the Pingel 3211-D has two. What's the deal?
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BikeBandit's schematic shows only one outlet on the petcock, and the Pingel 3211-D has two. What's the deal?
I e-mailed Pingel and asked about the part numbers and the dual outlet. Here's the response:
Hi, sorry about that. It is a typo in the Honda section. The two part numbers are for a single outlet (stock replacement) Then there is a dual outlet which will allow you to use one side for NOS and the other to feed the carbs. On some models there may be two inlets going into the carbs and the stock one just T's off to the two. The GSXR's are like that so then rather than T them off you can run two separate fuel lines to the inlets on the carbs. With our valve you may have to file your tank a little to get the screen up in there. If you have any other questions just ask.
Thanks:
Troy
So I'm guessing the 4211 is the matching stock part, as Dave already stated. I'm going to have a closer look at my setup later on and see if there is a split that can be eliminated with the dual outlet. I don't know off hand, and I think I'm going to have to remove the tank to be sure.
Thanks,
Barry
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It was an easy job and, since then, no leaks.
Regarding the pingel petcock. I'm confused again. Went ahead and ordered the parts above, and then went through the whole mounting process...re-mounted the tank and realized I have NO idea what to do with the carb vacuum hose. There's only one line connection on the pinges. The fuel line.
What do you do with the vacuum hose??
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The Pingel has a manual shutoff (three positions, off, run prime) - so the vacuum line is not needed. You can either plug the line and tape off (and secure somewhere, so it doesn't flop around). Or buy a nipple cap from Bikebandit ($1 or so, see the carburetor schematics) and remove the vacuum line from the carb, then cap the nipple.
Jay
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The Pingel has a manual shutoff (three positions, off, run prime) - so the vacuum line is not needed.
Thanks for the quick response. That makes perfect sense, and now that I think about it, I feel quite the dummy.
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From what I see on the Pingel chart, the 4211 is for the 600cc Bandit, and the 3211 is for the 1200.
http://www.pingelonline.com/powerflo_application_frames.htm
If it were not for all the movement on your posts maybe I could concentrate and read what you are saying.
Not complaining.
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Thumbing ones petcock is a reassuring thing.
:beers:
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The Pingel does not use the vacuum hose.
It has three positions OFF, ON, RESERVE.
Dave
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I CAN'T FREAKIN BELIEVE IT.javascript:void(0);
After reading this months ago - I still went and ordered a new stock petcock from my 02 1200. Well 1500 miles later (tonite) I go out to the garage and peek at the oil site window (a habit now) and the gas is back...
I've had it . I know I shoulda went with a pinkle but I didnt feel like bunged the tank. Anyone else had two petcocks go bad?
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Yes.
That is why I installed a Pingel.
Problem solved.
Good luck,
Dave
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Thanks Dave - I'm off to Sears to buy a file - which one works best?
George
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If you're getting gas in the oil, you have TWO problems. The petcock, and one or more float needle/seats that aren't shutting off. If the float needle/seat is doing it's job, it'll shut off fuel flow when the float bowl is full.
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Yep I was thinking it was both but hoping it was only the petcock. Now after replacing the petcock with another new from Suzuki stock petcock, the problem has returned. Freaky that the second petcock just broke or maybe they never really shut off. I understood that the vacuum line should control the fuel so if the bike's not running no fuel. But in my case - I can shut the bike down drain the bowls and wake up the next morning with all 4 bowls full. First step is to eliminate the new stock petcock and replace with the pinkel. Then it's off with the carbs. Oh yeah how much filing needs to get done (even though I hate filing a nice tank).
George
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Ok just got my pinkel. Widened the hole just enuff for the filter to slip in. Now I'm having a little leakage thru the threads (petcock through the adapter plate). 5 spins of teflon and still a little leak. Has anyone tightened the valve all the way up the threads or just until tight and in the right position. I want to ride ALREADY!
George
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Okay no more whining. Re-wrapped the threads with fresh Teflon (6 spins) and all is well, in fact very well. Unless it's me but my B12 is running better with the pinkel then ever (new chain and sprockets helped as well). Just did a 300 mile run up and down the middle of Connecticut on Sunday and the bike ran superb (even with a bolt on micron can and no jet work). Thanks again folks for helping,
George
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Does any one have a picture of the Pingel they can insert? Do you have to pull the petcock to remove the tank? Obviously leaning pretty hard this way.
Air filter is pretty clean, bike turns over real strong, and I've got spark, but the bike won't start. Bike ran great when I taught an ERC early Aug, so not sure what's happened, though it has sat pretty much since then.
The plugs do have some carbon fouling, so got new ones. Oil looks REAL clean and the petcock was leaking when I pulled the tank to check the air filter, so will drain the oil tomorrow and see what I've got going on. Hate to think about going into the check the floats...
TIA
Jim
Ok, drained the oil, full of gas...