Bandit Alley
MODEL SPECIFIC => SUZUKI BANDIT 600 thru 1200 - AIR/OIL COOLED TECHNICAL => Topic started by: android12 on July 03, 2009, 10:01:39 PM
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Didnt see this in the threads anywhere sorry if I missed it. Has anyone tried the holeshot 17" slip on and noticed what the difference is in mileage versus the stock? By the way just tried a Shinko Raven on rear and its seems decent for about $60 less than the Conti Road Attacks been using. Im getting about 37 mpg in city and about 50 mpg highway with stock, and is the holeshot slip on kit really that easy to install? Thanks in advance. :thanks:
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"slip on" and "kit" are two different things.
Since you mentioned "17 inch", I assume you're referring to the muffler.... but....
The "slip-on" refers to a less restrictive performance muffler.
The "kit" is typically a carburetor performance modification.
Best do some more research, both subjects are extremely well covered here.
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Im just refering to muffler and pipe, thinking about doing it but wondering what the decrease in mileage might be?
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With a well disciplined right hand any mileage difference would be negligible. I have a full exhaust and stage 1 jet kit with timing advancer and have still returned 60mpg in cruise mode. Once you get on the pipe though, all bets are off :wink:
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Sip on will make little difference in mileage, jet kit will make a huge difference. 10-30% less. (My bandit saw 30% less)
If anyone tells you different, ask for physical before & after proof.
I put a PC-III power commander (A jet kit for Fuel Injection) on the FJR and tuned it only for smoothness. Stock pipe, stock everything got me a 13% reduction in fuel mileage.
If you have a B-12, the pipe alone will make you run very lean.
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Thanks, well I got the 17" holeshot comp 1 slip on and stage 1 jet kit today, oh boy. Im wondering if I should have gone street core, just wondering how loud its gonna be? Cant be any louder than your average harley-davidson? Damn road cholesterol.
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Got the 17" comp 1 slip-on on. Sounds great, nice and throaty, not too loud. Made immediate difference in performance. I was second guessing myslef if I should have ordered the "street core" slip on, made me wonder if the comp 1 was too loud but it aint! High recommend.
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Didnt see this in the threads anywhere sorry if I missed it. Has anyone tried the holeshot 17" slip on and noticed what the difference is in mileage versus the stock?
I Did the comp 1 Slip-on and stage 1 jet kit, saw a 20% reduction in mileage, no matter how much adjusting to mains/pilots or idles we did. We took some of the shims off the needles ( from 5 to 3 ), and that did indeed make a small improvement, maybe gained back 10%. No difference in performance with the pipe only, just added noise levels ( sounded good at first, after a while got on my wick! ) :banghead:
Pipe by itself, really no difference, but if you do the pipe only, she will run extremely lean, keep an eye on your plugs, and prepare for alot of popping on decel! (unless you do the PAIR removal), even then you will get some.
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Thanks, well I got the 17" holeshot comp 1 slip on and stage 1 jet kit today, oh boy. I'm wondering if I should have gone street core, just wondering how loud its gonna be? Cant be any louder than your average Harley-Davidson? Damn road cholesterol.
In retrospect, and after hearing both types of pipes, If I had gone with the street core version, I think I would of been happier and the pipe would still be on my bandit today. I often thought the comp 1 was too loud, tried to convince myself it wasn't ( to justify expenditure), but when I finally got honest with myself, it truly was too loud, for me anyway. You'll need earplugs more often, especially on long jaunts, forget about the removable DB killer Dale offers, it's useless, it makes strange whistling sounds at certain RPM.
If you are going slip-on with Holeshot, go Street Core. Your ears (now and long term) will thank you.
As far as Harleys a go, when they come from the factory, they don't sound too bad, it's when 99% of the owners do mods to the pipes they sound obnoxious.
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Wow 30% drop in mileage eh? Thats significant. Thats always one of the perks for riding a lot, is the gas savings.
I really like my comp 1 slip on, dont think its too loud, well so far anyway.
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As far as Harleys a go, when they come from the factory, they don't sound too bad, it's when 99% of the owners do mods to the pipes they sound obnoxious.
I did a little ride with my buddy who has the only stock piped Road King in existance today. I could actually hear it over my FJR and all the wind noise while riding on the highway, but they sound rather good stock.
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I've got the 17" street core and Dale's Stage II (pods) jet kit. Experienced a whopping 2 mpg(US) drop.
That's only 5%, Bazza. :stickpoke:
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I've got the 17" street core and Dale's Stage II (pods) jet kit. Experienced a whopping 2 mpg(US) drop.
That's only 5%, Bazza. :stickpoke:
Everett Elevation, 110 feet above sea level
Edmonton Elevation, 2200 feet above sea level
Could be the Canadian Spec Bandit? could be the elevation?, try jetting a bike at more than 2000 ft. Both Bazza and I got significantly reduced mileage, well, enough to complain about anyways. He went with Ivans kit I went with Dales, so I doubt it had anything to do with the brand of kit. My wife's B6 got Dales kit in it, installed by a dealer, and saw about 15-20% reduction in mileage, in fact she often has to gas up before I do, or sometimes the same time. :annoy:
However, her bike was even leaner than our B12's, and the B6 responds so much better to the install than the B12 does by comparison, so I have left that kit in place.
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Doubt it...mine is a Canadian spec bike...this truly is a case of YMMV :motorsmile:
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Doubt it...mine is a Canadian spec bike...this truly is a case of YMMV :motorsmile:
Not an accurate science at any rate! :banghead:
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I've got the 17" street core and Dale's Stage II (pods) jet kit. Experienced a whopping 2 mpg(US) drop.
That's only 5%, Bazza. :stickpoke:
Everett Elevation, 110 feet above sea level
Edmonton Elevation, 2200 feet above sea level
My commuting elevation ranges from 0-600 feet ASL, but my riding for fun ranges from 0-6,000 feet ASL... with a lot in the 2-3000 foot range. No significant difference in mpg. The bike was dialed in at 50 feet ASL. Above 5000 feet, it does begin to feel like it's too rich, but not terribly so.
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I've got the 17" street core and Dale's Stage II (pods) jet kit. Experienced a whopping 2 mpg(US) drop.
That's only 5%, Bazza. :stickpoke:
Which size jets did you use though? I believe Dale supplies 3 sizes. Ivan only one size but larger than Dale's largest by one size.
To get the most HP out of a Bandito it has to run rich. Ivan told me the CO2 percentage he shoots for and I believe it was 13%. (I don't think the California emissions people like Ivan or Dale though)
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I don't remember, it was so long ago... I just followed the baseline instructions that came with the kit and that worked out very well for me, so I never had to go back and mess with it. I'd have to dig up the little plastic box the stuff came in and see which jets aren't there anymore.
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#17.5 where used in mine, the stock are #15. Thats what the instructions state for 3000 ft or below. I have to say, the combination of the stage 1 slip on, jet kit and timing advance is pretty nice, so far. No down sides but still am trying to see what the mileage is.
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#17.5 where used in mine, the stock are #15. Thats what the instructions state for 3000 ft or below. I have to say, the combination of the stage 1 slip on, jet kit and timing advance is pretty nice, so far. No down sides but still am trying to see what the mileage is.
Put timing advancer on my bike...lumpy idle
took timing advancer off my bike...smoother idle
we figure the timing was already off on my bike from factory.
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The 2002 Bandit I had had 100 mains and Ivan's kit with the airbox mod increased the main jet size to 127.5, and comes with a pretty large needle shim increase also.
From what I recall, Dales stage 1 kit comes with 110/112.5/115 mains. (I could be wrong)
The stock Bandit has 15 Pilot jets and there is some debate with increasing these to 17.5 by Dale. (Ivan says no)
So you would get better mileage with Dales stage one kit. Ivan's kit is just a little shy of Dales Stage two kit.
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Yesterday when I gassed up, the bike took about a 1/2 gallon less than I was expecting, so I decided to calculate my mpg for that tank... 44.5652 miles per US gallon! The best it has ever done! The whole tank was burned at 1,000 feet or less of altitude (commuting) in hot weather (for western Washington - mid 60's in the morning, mid 90's in the afternoon), with humidity in the 40-50% range. I was pretty shocked the mpg was so good given the weather conditions.
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Im seeing about 35-37 in town, 43-50 highway. Thats with Holeshot 17" stage 1 slip on,timing advance, and stage 1 jet kit. All in all I have to say very much worth the money. Love the added horsepower and torque. Really woke my bike up!
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I went with the full hole shot system. My mileage is about 35 MPG.
I think it has more to do with how now I go every where in 3rd gear at full throttle. :motorsmile:
I don't really sweat it though as the increased fuel spending is offset by the extended life of my front tire. :thumb: