MOTORCYLE EXHAUSTS - NSW EPA - OR NSW NUMB NUTS

[aussiebandit]

Below is an extract from the Motorcycle Council of NSW Web Site.  For the full thing go to http://www.mccofnsw.org.au/a/95.html

"The moment a new vehicle is registered and rides or drives off the showroom floor, it ceases to be bound by the Australian Design Rules, but immediately becomes subject to the in-service regulations of the State or Territory in which it has been registered."

"Some in-service regulations are technically identical to the Australian Design Rules.
Other in-service regulations allow for the fitment of parts not supplied by the original manufacturer and hence not subject to the Australian Design Rules. This allows for local manufacturers to enter the market for replacement parts such as brake pads, tyres, wheels, exhaust systems, light bulbs and the like."

"We raise this point because it has come to our attention that Police are being instructed that any aftermarket exhaust on a motorcycle is illegal. This is a lie."

"In NSW, there is an administrative requirerment for a vehicle over three years of age to be subject to an annual Roadworthiness Check or "Pink Slip Inspection"

"However, there appears to be considerable confusion with regard to Rule 147"

"......someone tacked on an extra section 147.03(c) to apply to motorcycles which received their "type compliance"........."

"This requirement was for a label to be fitted to an aftermarket exhaust. No such requirement has ever been applied to cars or trucks"

"Bulletin No.100 instructed inspectors to tell the motorcycle owner to return their exhaust to the maker for labelling and provided a list of Australian makers of motorcycle exhausts.
The RTA extracted an undertaking from each Australian manufacturer to supply labels, but made no such demand of the importers of motorcycle exhausts. This market intervention by RTA appears to have had serious consequences, as the majority of manufacturers listed on Bulletin No. 100 have closed their doors and imports now comprise the bulk of aftermarket sales.
Forcing compliance to the ADR's, or intervening in the marketplace for exhaust systems is an improper role for the NSW Government."

"When the EPA assumed responsibility for vehicle exhaust noise, some twit discovered Rule 147.03(c) and inserted it as Legislation, so it suddenly became Clause 19 of Regulations from the Protection of the Environment Act."

They then suggest "The administartive system has failed us as riders and the only solution now is a political one. Do not vote Labor!"

Now I know you guys in Vic are coping it pretty bad with Vic's "zero tolerance" on speeding, and the extra $50.00 on top of your rego, but pretty soon now we are all going to be hounded with the front number plate issue.

I don't want to push any political wheel barrows, but I think we all need to be a bit more vocal to our local MP's

End of Rant  

[B6mick]

Yep and here we go again....
Just when you guys up in NSW got the upper hand along comes another piece of BS.  I really thought you guys started to make state government see some common sense. When 1 bright spark challenged the cops in court over handing out defect notices. 1 is the issueing cop a licenced roadworth insepector. 2 is the issueing cop a licenced wrench, then what the hell qualifications is these cops using to justify the issueing of unroadworthy notices. Now the state government is on the BS of noise emissions. its utter crap that a stock standard zx10 that conforms to all ADR's yet fails a state epa ruling. And now that you have started me on the front number plate issue. Hmmm I just wonder where they reckon they are gonna make me fit it on my naked b6hmmmm across the front on my mudguard, I think not, not unless they promise to pay for the repairs when the motor gets cooked  God you would think the pollies would have something betta to do, like give themselves another pay rise. And my favorite of all times mr bracks grab for bucks zero tollerance speed laws suck. at the moment we have drivers and riders who are spending most of thier time watching the speedo instead of the road and surroundings, has there been a reduction in the road toll Answer in one word NO. fact is it has increased. But it has put millions in the state budget. Its BS and even the cops will tell you off the record thats is total BS. Fact ADR requires 10% speedo error + or -. Why because of these factors tyre wear, tyre inflation tyre balloning etc.... the only way to have a totally accurate speedo is to fit all vechiles GPS units. and  I do beleive even these have a error tolorence to. But while we shall remain a minority we will always be stood on, its happened for years and years, until we become a majority I would sugest we get used to it. Hey look what little Johnny Howard did to the gun lobby, and there was more gun owners than there has ever been motorcyclists.

[aussiebandit]

Unfortunately, in forums such as these we are always preaching to the converted.  I've actually been seriously contemplating speaking with my local MP's, and getting out motorcylcing friends to do the same.  

The biggest problem I have here is we are a very safe Liberal/National party seat.  The best seats to attack are the marginal ones.

One of dads from my son's softball team is a local inspector, and he himself has said the the "Speed Kills" propaganda (his words not mine) is a crock of shit.  Speed itself doesn't kill, inappropriate speed for the road, weather conditions, along with the skill level of the rider/driver is the killer.  In his experiance 95% of motorcycle accidents are caused by car drivers not paying attention to what is going on around them.  He, and I, both agree that sometimes us "bikers" don't help ourselves by lane splitting, wheelying etc, but usually it's a dumb arse car driver at fault.

[B6mick]

One of dads from my son's softball team is a local inspector, and he himself has said the the "Speed Kills" propaganda (his words not mine) is a crock of shit. Speed itself doesn't kill, inappropriate speed for the road, weather conditions, along with the skill level of the rider/driver is the killer. In his experiance 95% of motorcycle accidents are caused by car drivers not paying attention to what is going on around them. He, and I, both agree that sometimes us "bikers" don't help ourselves by lane splitting, wheelying etc, but usually it's a dumb arse car driver at fault.

You and I know, so does every Motorcyclist in the world.
But some how the figures get twisted, and by the time some government jerk off states the statistics are and quoted that Motorcyle accidents in this state anyway are in the majority of cases are the Motorcyclist fault, go figure.
So the government jerk off can now target Motorcyclist under the guise, that with the statistics fowarded to the minister of transport etc etc etc :blahblah: Hence the front number plate issue.   Not that a private company who runs the tollways here in Victoria would have anything to do with that. Transurban has been in the past toteing the idea to ministers of the state government, again under the guise of motorcycle safety. What a load of BS, when why is it as soon as we have front number plates, Transurban will introduce tolls on the tollways for motorcycles, until then we will enjoy free patronage of the tollway system, as transurban goes not wish to spend the money to develop a waterfproof etag for motorcycles. The front number plate issue was never an issue until transurban started pissing in the pockets of both state and federal ministers. Oh aint it funny how transurban has just tendered for the administration of NSW and QLD tollways. And who said big business does not influence government. :blahblah:
As Little Jonny Howard once said why would we spend millions of Dollars to reintroduce number plates for Motorcycles, when the net return, ie speeding notices per year would be lucky couple of hundred thousand dollars a year. Little Johnny got at least one thing right there, and golly gee he and I agree. If the aim is greater motorcyle safety for the life of me and many other I have spoken too, surely all the money being spent on the new front number plates, which I do believe is in the region of tens of millions of dollars, be better spent on roads, putting real cops out on the roads(not money hungry camera's which here in Vic are under the eye AGAIN as being faulty and being inacurate) And yes folks even I reckon that real cops going a real cops job does far more for motorcycle safety than a bloody hidden camera. Back to the list, education, and a smarter grading system for licences, may be something like what they have in the UK. The system here in Vic is crazy, 250 resrictions for learners and probationary riders save up your buck, then go kill yourself bloke, go buy yourself a 185hp R1 or a turbo bussa with all the gear and nos just shy of 400 ponies thank you very much. And to make matters worse, the MRAA(Motorcycle riers association Aust) the tradional voice for motorcyclists is now in disarray, with the outed adiministation now heading the VMU(Victorian Motorcycle Union) both being to busy shafting each other, to see that the governments, state and federal are making the most of it. As I said in an earier post, get used to it its been happening since jesus was a lad, as a minorty element in any society you are going to be shat upon. Common sense has nothing to do with it, by spending millions of dollars on front number plates, the majority of the folks out there in Aust will see that the government is doing something about Motorcycle safety. The unforunate part is this majority of folks know sweet FA about motorcycles, and think because of a minorty of motorcyclist have pissed them off playing the fool, that all motorcyclists are dropkicks. Jesus this soapbox is getting a bit high I might hurt myself getting off it. :blahblah: End Rant.

[aussiebandit]

Jeez, I didn't think we'd get so passionate about these issues.  But you're right, as a minority we're screwed.

Which is really weird when you think of all the other minorities in this wide brown land of ours that nice big handouts from the various government deptartments.  You know the ones, the greenies, the "long term" unemployed", the kids that leave home because some Government knob said they can because Dad told them to do some chores and wouldn't let them roam the streets as the pleased.

Shit, bugger, damn and blast - I nearly popped a vain.    

The idea of my orginal post was to let people know what the EPA is currently upto in NSW.  I have read elsewhere that the NSW Government is now reveiwing the whole Exhaust Labelling issue and are looking at the "in-service" tests of exhaust noise.

When I find more info I'll let you know.

Oh and on the front number plate issue, I got an email from a mate in SA showing "stick on labels" stuck to the 'screen' of the bike.  Now that's fine but what if you ride a completely naked bike i.e. no screen at all.

One of the replies to that came from a riding instructor (not Sarge) whose response was "Well that's one law I'm going to ignore".

[B6mick]

nice big handouts from the various government deptartments. You know the ones, the greenies, the "long term" unemployed", the kids that leave home because some Government knob said they can because Dad told them to do some chores and wouldn't let them roam the streets as the pleased.

Mate I hope you aint saying what I think you are, cause if you are mate I feel so sorry for you, We as in I and her indoors have just been thru all of this with the eldest daughter, mate I aint even gonna try to climb on to a soapbox, man between her the daughter, the idiots at school that teach them this crap and the dodos at. No I am ganna stop I can feel more than the veins poping. All I am gonna say is (calmly now) GRRRRRRRR.

[aussiebandit]

I don't think I am, and if I've given you the impression that I'm an uncaring, inconsiderate, arsehole then I appoligise.    sorry.

However, there are people who I work with who would definitely agree that I'm an arsehole

Now moving right along.........change of subject

Are you going to be able to make it to the Autumn Leaf?

[B6mick]

Are you going to be able to make it to the Autumn Leaf?

Would like very much to get there, but with demands at this stage its looking 50/50 chance.

[aussiebandit]

Likewise.