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Offline DjVas

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« on: April 15, 2007, 09:54:56 PM »
Hey guys! I have a 01 B6 and the little idle adjustor on the side of the engine doesn't seem to work. I took the tank off to see what's wrong and it is completly dettached from the carbs. I tried to find where to reattach the bolt at the end of the rubber tube but didn't find anything. Any info on where that thing attaches so I can adjust the idle speed without taking the tank off????

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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2007, 12:30:36 PM »
If the 600 is like the 1200, and I believe it is, the hose attaches to an adjustment screw on the the throttle linkage near the cable bellcrank.
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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2007, 03:31:13 PM »
The hose has a screw attached at the end so I am looking for the place to attach that. I saw the adjustment screw but I cannot figure out where to bolt the screw that is at the end of the hose.... Does it bolt somewhere under the adjustment screw?

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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2007, 03:35:10 PM »
So here I think this will make it clear. Where does #15 connect to?


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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2007, 03:47:23 PM »
Usually there is a throttle-stop screw and an idle adjustment screw. The idle adjustment in your diagram would be (#15). The diagram does not appear to show the complete throttle linkage/bracket assembly.

Is it possible that someone replaced the screw at the end of the hose (#15) with a regular screw?

In other words, maybe you need to remove the adjustment screw that's there and screw the hose-end (#15) in there instead. Just make sure there's another screw somewhere that is the throttle-stop.

Just a guess, a suggestion, something to check. Process of elimination. I'm sure Red will be chiming in to tell me that I'm completely insane and off-the-wall and how could I make a suggestion that stupid.   :taz:  :roll:  :bandit:
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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2007, 03:52:25 PM »
That's what I thought you were talking about. I believe it should screm into the bracket the throttle cable pulley is in and the screw should  be able to adjust a stop on the pulley.
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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2007, 10:43:31 PM »
Ok I have a question regarding the idle adjustment screw.  As I stated in the gummed carbs thread, I was having issues with El Bandito last year due to never running it.  So today I syphoned all the gas out of the tank, put in 2.5 fresh gallons.  The battery got a nice charge overnight and today I cranked it over and got it running.  After a few mintues of surging as the crappy gas ran out of the carbs it eventually started to rev fine on all four cylinders.  But it doesn't want to idle over a thousand.

The screw does what exactly, and what am I doing when I turn it clockwise as opposed to counterclockwise?  Is it simply adjusting the throttle plates themselves or leaning it out or what?

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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2007, 12:49:09 AM »
The idle adjustment screw adjusts the throttle linkage and ultimately yes, the throttle plates. Idle adjustment determines the proper RPM's when your throttle grip is at rest.

The throttle stop screw should be adjusted to keep the throttle plates from closing all the way, so the engine won't die even if you adjust the idle screw all the way down.

The fuel/air adjustment screws are what determines how much air is mixed with the fuel, or how lean or rich it runs. There is a fuel/air adjustment screw on each carb, and they should be synchronized.

If you can't get your idle adjusted properly then it's usually a problem with the fuel/air mixture. This can be affected by improper screw adjustment, vaccum leaks, clogged idle circuits, lots of stuff.

If it was me, after sitting a lot like you describe, I'd start by removing the float bowl drain plugs (if so equipped) and all 4 fuel/air mixture screws. Then take a can of carb cleaner with the litte red straw and squirt it up through all 4 empty mixture screw holes until it runs out the drain holes. Leave it set and do it again. Then clean and replace all the screws, turn them all the way in, then back each one out 3 1/2 turns. Replace the drain plugs (if applicable) and prime the carbs with fresh gas. Fire it up and see if it idles smoothly, and if the RPM's go up and down properly when you turn the screw. If it still doesn't, then you'll probably need to pull the carbs for a thorough cleaning with the float bowls off, adjust the float heights, make sure all the jets and circuits are cleaned with carb cleaner and blown out with compressed air.

Also make sure all your vaccum lines and hoses are plugged in properly and there are no vaccum leaks around the intake boots or manifolds. Vaccum leaks usually cause a high idle though. Your problem sounds more like it might be too rich. Pull your spark plugs after idling a while and if they are black or very dark or even wet, then you aren't getting enough air mixed in with your fuel.
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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2007, 10:09:37 PM »
The throttle screw on the side, should it turn easily and affect the rpm's immediately?  Mine is very stiff and doesn't want to turn smoothly.  I feel like I'm going to snap it off before the rpm's change slightly.

All my idle problems seem to be off idle or at barely any throttle movement.  If I open it up she flies like the wind.  Its only coming down to idle that the bike runs like crap.

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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2007, 12:11:46 AM »
Mines a little stiff, but it changes the idle immediately. It is likely stiff from non use, as I don't ever need to adjust the idle. Usually only when I sync the carbs.
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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2007, 12:39:19 AM »
Quote from: "pmackie"
Mines a little stiff, but it changes the idle immediately. It is likely stiff from non use, as I don't ever need to adjust the idle. Usually only when I sync the carbs.


Hmmm... 27 years in the fuel/lubes industry, huh?

Ever hear of WD-40?  :stickpoke:

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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2007, 01:40:58 AM »
Oh Zen, it gets worse...

I likely have 50 different lube type products in my garage. Some of them even get used from time to time.

I only realized the idle adjuster was stiff during my carb sync last week...however, I still didn't lube it.

Something about the shoemakers wife going barefoot?
Paul
2002-GSF600S, Progressive Fork Springs, B12 Shock,
SS Brake lines, EBC HH pads, Leo Vince Ex & Kappa bags.
Ex Bike Mechanic (late 70's), somewhat rusty
32 years in the Fuel/lubes industry(Retired)