Author Topic: Is a Cam Line Kit functional or Bling-bling? (Read 4420 times)

CWO4GUNNER · « **on:** February 20, 2007, 03:40:41 PM »

Other then the stock appeal of a motorcycle I usually won't buy after market bling-bling cosmetic items unless it also fulfills a practical function. So does a Cam Line Kit work to provide more oil to those dry cams because I bought a stainless one on Ebay for the B12 from the UK for $124 including shipping.

Bob Holland · « **Reply #1 on:** February 20, 2007, 08:10:22 PM »

It does not apear that it is all there, the Holeshot and the APE kits have a line on both sides that goes to a oil source, the oil galley plug on the valve cover. there should be 2 lines on both sides. Or 4 lines.
As that kit is, I don't see it doing much.

2005B12S · « **Reply #2 on:** February 20, 2007, 08:38:58 PM »

Vortex makes one of the better kits on the market. The flex lines pictured tap into the oil feed in the valve cover BHolland mentioned above.

The kit you pictured appears to be for bling purposes only.

CWO4GUNNER · « **Reply #3 on:** February 21, 2007, 12:35:13 AM »

I asked about that 3rd line because I also noticed it in the Holeshot product costing twice as much and this guy in the UK told me it was discovered to be unnecessary because the real problem wasn't the need for additional oil, which is really not additional since the path of oil from this third line transits these cam areas anyway, but rather the need of oil being shared by both cams more equally to offset temporary loss of oil from one cam to another due to inertia. Anyway that's what his answer to me was.
I will give them a try as between both schools of thought I must get some benefit, not to mention that in my eyes this one looks a hell of allot more symmetrical and attractive. (Function + Bling)

CWO4GUNNER · « **Reply #4 on:** February 21, 2007, 01:14:35 AM »

Incidentally, what site did you find the vortex product as it also looks better then the HS product and wondering if it more reasonable in cost. If you don't mined me asking?

Quote from: "2005B12S"

Vortex makes one of the better kits on the market. The flex lines pictured tap into the oil feed in the valve cover BHolland mentioned above.

The kit you pictured appears to be for bling purposes only.

Red01 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 21, 2007, 09:55:38 AM »

If you check the properties of the pic, you'll see it came from GSXR Zone - which is one of APE Racing's spin-off sites. They're listing the Vortex oiler kit at $265 here.

2005B12S · « **Reply #6 on:** February 21, 2007, 11:14:40 AM »

The HS oiler is a little cheaper, but IMO the Vortex unit looks much better.

APE is a top notch outfit, I have bought stuff from them and always been satisfied.

Good Luck, Ed.

CWO4GUNNER · « **Reply #7 on:** February 21, 2007, 11:20:06 AM »

Of course.

Thanks. (side note) I had a custom brake line made for my RM100 by a company that makes hydro lines to order with whatever banjo bolts are needed. About 6 feet to control the rear brake caliper from the right front hand lever and reservoir for $65. Adults were to top heavy on the smaller 145 pound RM100 so this mod stopped the accidental endo's from occurring and saved 7 pounds in front bake equipment. My point is its sad when some prices are obviously a bit much or pricey. So as a ready-made I found this UK product reasonable.

Quote from: "Red01"

If you check the properties of the pic, you'll see it came from GSXR Zone - which is one of APE Racing's spin-off sites. They're listing the Vortex oiler kit at $265 here.

Bob Holland · « **Reply #8 on:** February 23, 2007, 03:35:26 PM »

Quote from: "CWO4GUNNER"

I asked about that 3rd line because I also noticed it in the Holeshot product costing twice as much and this guy in the UK told me it was discovered to be unnecessary because the real problem wasn't the need for additional oil, which is really not additional since the path of oil from this third line transits these cam areas anyway, but rather the need of oil being shared by both cams more equally to offset temporary loss of oil from one cam to another due to inertia. Anyway that's what his answer to me was.

I,m not sure that any of the kits do any good, but the oil for the cams comes from the crank area, in the area by the head studs, to he shaft that holds the cam followers, to the cams. The oil that comes though the two line on the back of the engine, though the valve covers, is for cooling the head.
So getting oil from the valve cover is a different source for oil to go to the cams, so if for some reason you are not getting enough oil the regular way, it may help.

Bezzer · « **Reply #9 on:** February 23, 2007, 04:13:04 PM »

The single line does exactly nothing, there's no pressure behind either side, it might slosh from one to the other but only if it's curved downwards or straight. If it's curving upwards like the picture at the beginning of the post it's just a bling decoration, oil won't cross over.

CWO4GUNNER · « **Reply #10 on:** February 24, 2007, 02:32:26 PM »

Maybe I will connect each single line from top to each cam respectively and since each cams bearing surfaces are exposed to one another's flow of oil, only one line for each cam is all that should be needed. Rapture! I may have simultaneously solved the issue and came up with a more cost effective solution.

CWO4GUNNER · « **Reply #11 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:06:08 PM »

Never one to hold back the truth I want you to know I E-mailed HEL products in England and and after some pressing they admitted that the vendor was incorrect, there is no oil under pressure being provided in their single line system as in the Holeshot line system shown above. But they tried to convince me that the difference in pressure between the two cams is relieved by carrying oil in the form of a mist to each cam side. needless to say I demanded a refund. To the companies credit shame on me for not researching the item further before purchase.

solman · « **Reply #12 on:** March 03, 2007, 07:00:18 AM »

I have a friend who bought the holeshot oil line and it definitely has a lot of pressure. He had one of them not completely tight and he told me that it sprayed hard.

CWO4GUNNER · « **Reply #13 on:** March 03, 2007, 10:55:21 AM »

The funny things that its not even really a product, just 3 standard hydraulic lines with banjo bolts for each side. probubly $10 worth of parts but a very expensive hose fitting machine.I think holeshot would sell more if were SS braided instead of black rubber.

Bob Holland · « **Reply #14 on:** March 03, 2007, 12:56:05 PM »

Quote from: "solman"

I have a friend who bought the holeshot oil line and it definitely has a lot of pressure. He had one of them not completely tight and he told me that it sprayed hard.

I have the HS kit, and mine came loose going down the dragstrip, sprayed oil all over me and the right side of the bike.
The oil to the cams comes from the main oil gally in the top case, would have to have full pressure, I would think.