Author Topic: Bandit 1250 & 1250 ABS (Read 8963 times)

gyrogearcrunch · « **on:** November 23, 2006, 01:38:13 PM »

Has anyone been able to find a road test on the new 1250 Bandits? Is that 1255cc engine the rumored Hayabusa motor

(slobber, drool). At $8200 or so, it looks like they've done it again ($6900 would have been better). Go to www.suzuki.com, <standard>, for a look.

Herb

"Too much torque is just enough"

Bob Holland · « **Reply #1 on:** November 24, 2006, 04:10:32 PM »

It is not the Busa engine. New design from what I've read.

gyrogearcrunch · « **Reply #2 on:** November 25, 2006, 01:29:10 PM »

Quote from: "BHolland"

It is not the Busa engine. New design from what I've read.

Thanks for the reply. I saw pictures of the 'Busa engine, and it sure looked like the new Bandito motor on the outside. Maybe Suzuki is using the same castings used on the 'Busa engine.

Herb (the original one)

Bazza · « **Reply #3 on:** November 26, 2006, 05:10:24 AM »

The new 2007 Bandit was sold in Canada & Europe as a 2006 model with the sachs air cooled engine. To say this bike was redesigned was a bit of a stretch. Yes, it had new plastic, new tank & seat but basically the bike was the same bike as the 2005 model.

The New bandit (2007) has a new liquid cooled engine mounted on a fram that has thicker drop legs than the 2005 bandit, but really, it is the same waterpipe frame. The new 2007 Bandit also has gained 50 lbs, and from Dyno numbers that a French site posted, puts out the same peak HP & Torque at slightly lower RPM than a 2005 air cooled model. The new Bandit is also available with ABS brakes.

I would venture to say the new Bandit not an entirely new bike, but rather has received upgrades from the old model.

I was quoted $10,500.00 (Canadian) for a 2007 model with ABS. This is a $2000.00 increase over the 2006 model here.

Personally, I feel that Suzuki has priced the Bandit in an area where a much more modern bike like the FZ-1 can be had. People are going to say here that the FZ-1 has quirks, but we have not riden the 2007 Bandit yet have we? I bet there will be new model suprises just like every other bike.

I have not yet seen any ride reports on the 2007 Bandit. Here are some dyno charts a French Mag posted on both the 1250 & 650 Bandits. It appears there is no HP increase on the new B-1250.

LowRyter · « **Reply #4 on:** November 26, 2006, 01:09:29 PM »

I saw the new Bandit ABS at the Ft Worth Cycle World show. I took a couple dozen pics, sat on it, etc.

The engine is not a 'Busa derivative because it has a central mounted cam chain design. It's a unique motor- don't know what would work for mods. I think the bike is similiar to the Gen 3 model sold outside the US with installation of the new engine and heavier frame downtubes.

I asked the Suzi people about the bike. One rep said for sure it would have more power than the old bike and another rep said they get the horsepower figures from CycleWorld roadtest(!).

Until it's tested, I don't think anyone has a clue how it compares to the older Bandits. It certainly looks like a more finished bike, perhaps it's more Sport Touring oriented?

My guess is that is probably has more torque to pull around the extra 30lbs but about the same power, so performance should be about equal but the bike will be a little more smooth & comfy. But that is only a guess. Perhaps it will also have more Suzi power too?

H2RICK · « **Reply #5 on:** December 04, 2006, 01:46:59 PM »

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The new 2007 Bandit was sold in Canada & Europe as a 2006 model with the sachs air cooled engine. To say this bike was redesigned was a bit of a stretch. Yes, it had new plastic, new tank & seat but basically the bike was the same bike as the 2005 model.

Well, Bazza, you may want to think that over some.....
The '06 model really only held over the engine and the frame....and even the frame was changed somewhat.
Pretty much everything else was new:
Completely upgraded front end including new braking system and, for those wanting such complexity, available ABS
New fairing with (IMO) far[/u] better lighting and somewhat better wind protection
New clocks
New tank design moving you closer to the bars
New adjustable two piece seat
New design stronger/longer swingarm
I'd have to say the advertising hype got it about right on the '06 models. I guess it all depends on how you define "new".....
BTW, I think you meant SACS rather than "sachs"...right??

Asphalt · « **Reply #6 on:** December 04, 2006, 04:01:51 PM »

I thought the 2007 model was the first bandit with Fuel Injection and Water cooled. From what I understood ALL models up until this one were still Carb, and Air/Oil cooled....did I miss something?

JamieK · « **Reply #7 on:** December 04, 2006, 07:11:32 PM »

Quote from: "Asphalt"

I thought the 2007 model was the first bandit with Fuel Injection and Water cooled. From what I understood ALL models up until this one were still Carb, and Air/Oil cooled....did I miss something?

No you didn't miss anything... the 06 has the old SACS engine with carbs...the 07 is water cooled with injection. Other than that the 06 and 07 are pretty much the same (but the 06 is MUCH lighter)

Asphalt · « **Reply #8 on:** December 05, 2006, 12:13:21 AM »

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The new 2007 Bandit was sold in Canada & Europe as a 2006 model with the sachs air cooled engine.

I thought that, but Bazza said it was sold as the 2006....just checking...

Red01 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 05, 2006, 06:53:15 AM »

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"Asphalt" said:
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"Bazza" said:
The new 2007 Bandit was sold in Canada & Europe as a 2006 model with the sachs air cooled engine.

I thought that, but Bazza said it was sold as the 2006....just checking...

What Bazza means is the 2006 & 2007 are the same except for the engine and larger frame tubes. The '06 model uses the same familiar SACS air-oil cooled motor as previous B12's. The '07 gets the new water-cooled lump and thicker frame tubes, but is otherwise the same as the '06.

So if the '06 is the 3rd generation, does the addition of a new motor and thicker frame tubes in '07 make it a 4th generation, or is it more like a 3.5?

Asphalt · « **Reply #10 on:** December 05, 2006, 01:26:21 PM »

3.5 I suspect, but hey, I have seen stranger than that. Mill Specs and mods go to the 100ths on the mods and Gens of the equiptment. If they would just keep to "Upgraded and Improved" Model, then it would be just as good.

Alexanderr · « **Reply #11 on:** December 05, 2006, 04:57:42 PM »

Here is the Canadian Suzuki website selling the new 1250

http://moto.suzuki.ca/Products/Default.aspx?ModelCategoryId=ModelCategory_Street&ModelID=Model_BanditGSF1200S&TrimLevelID=&culture=en-CA&province=ON

H2RICK · « **Reply #12 on:** December 05, 2006, 11:44:52 PM »

WOW!!! Welcome Alexanderr. Another Albertan....what are the odds?? LOL. We could have an Alberta chapter of Bandits Anonymous...or something. But, strangely, I'm only one of two Cowtown guys on here (apparently) and the rest of you guys are up north, including my buddy Bruce in Leduc. Hmmmm....your dealers must be doing a better job selling Bandits than the wankers down here are.....
Or maybe there are fewer smart guys in Cowtown ??
Or more "traditionalists" up north ??

Alexanderr · « **Reply #13 on:** December 06, 2006, 01:07:39 PM »

Hi Rick
Don't own a Bandit yet. At the moment I am trying to decide between a WeeStrom or the B12. Prices are starting to come down on both bikes(2006), with one dealer selling a 2006 B12 w/ ABS demo for 8200(First maintenance done). I am waiting for the price to come down even more.

JamieK · « **Reply #14 on:** December 06, 2006, 01:25:00 PM »

Well those are two very different bikes. If you are considering a WeeStrom you may also want to look at the Kawi Versys as it is designed for much the same purpose as the Wee. Of course I think you should get the B12 but my opinion may be slightly biased