I think for one,they're more riders out on the road,and not all are experienced riders. They jump on they're Fat Boy or whatever with a pal or 2 and head to the pub. As a matter of fact they are having a big bike night here in Erie tonight. Peter Fonda and Colin Powel are here( I did'nt know Colin Powel road a bike?) Sounda like a big parade of chrome to me( I hate parades) The whole bottom section of State st in Erie is 1 bar after the next. Do'nt get me wrong, I like to have fun too. But you do'nt have to be drunk to let your guard down. Sometimes you almost have to have a 6th sence( just be a very defensive driver) Sometimes you see a car at a intersection, they have plenty of time to see you, and you just know they're going to pull out anyhow. Kinda like a weapon, I was taught a gun was always loaded. And I've learned a car will always pull out. Someone who has'nt learned that yet,relaxed having fun with a couple of pals can easily let their guard down. They may go along withoput any trouble. But you have to be ready and alert when the time comes. If you snooze, you loose. Just my 2 cents, Old Fart Dan