Well from what I've read, they're pretty close to the e360s like I said, which is what I'd be getting if not for these. So width wise I'm not all that concerned about, I bout SW Motech racks from Twisted Throttle so if I do want to take the bags off it won't be a problem. I read one post about someone who tried this with success, but that's the only record I can find of it anywhere. I guess I'll be test #2.