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Offline smooth operator

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Re: seasons end.
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2008, 08:24:09 PM »
Man that looks like a beautifull place to ride. The 1200 is a great all around bike. The CBR is more race oriented. Your decision should take into account your riding style. The bandit fits my riding style perfectly. I would be uncomfortable on the CBR
  Actully, Hondas are usally pretty comfortable. It would be  more relaxed than my SV. You just have to get used to the bike. Get to know the machine, and befor you know it, the grin on your face makes up for any minor nit-picks.

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Re: seasons end.
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2008, 08:26:42 PM »
 Oh ya, seasons end,the leaves are all colored up and falling here.I have archery season starting Sat., but I know whats coming next!

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Re: seasons end.
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2008, 03:04:27 AM »
ahh. I didn't catch that it was the CB 1000 R and not the 1000RR. The CB 1000 R is basicly a copy of Kawasaki's Z1000 which is an awsome bike. I think you would really like the CB 1000 R. I like the single sided swing arm. However, it isn't available in the US. Yet. If it ever will be

http://honda.co.uk/motorcycles/2008/CB1000R/
« Last Edit: October 02, 2008, 03:06:06 AM by Geoffwhite18 »

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« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2008, 11:10:43 AM »
"However, it isn't available in the US. Yet. If it ever will be"

Don`t worry,it will be.USA is too important market area to miss.
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Re: seasons end.
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2008, 01:31:05 PM »
Don't be so sure... there are lots of models the manufacturers sell in EU that never see the US dealerships.
Given the slow sales of the big and mid-size Hornet series in the US, I'd be surprised if American Honda brings the CB1000R here.  IMHO, the #1 reason they've sold poorly is because they've been priced much higher than their competition.
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Re: seasons end.
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2008, 11:57:24 AM »
Yeah, I'd love to see the SV1000 back in the 'States, as well as BMW's F800 inspiration, the Yamaha TDM. Lots of great bikes in Europe and Asia that don't make it here because American riders are too ignorant to see beyond cruisers and sportbikes as street machines.

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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2008, 01:58:06 PM »
Is it the riders are too ignorant, or the importers are only willing to bring in the bikes they can sell in large numbers?  I also wonder what part the US moto-media plays, since they seem to dedicate their coverage primarily to the two extreme ends of the street bike spectrum.

Bikes like the TDM, SV1K as well as others like the Transalp, B6, 599 & 919 Hornets have been sold in the US but were discontinued because of "slow sales."  I'd be curious to know what kind of numbers these bikes enjoyed in the States compared to their sales figures in Europe.  It seems to me, especially after my six month stint in France back in '06, the Euro distributor/dealer network seem to be willing to sell a little bit of everything instead of a lot of two basic niches.  Though I must say, it seemed like the B6 and Yamaha's 600 Diversion/Fazer were by far the most popular bikes I saw on the road on a regular basis (over 50cc) in France.  Though when I attended the Bol d'Or race, that seemed to bring relatively rare sportbikes out of the woodwork - but then bikers from all over Europe seemed to make the trek to the track for that event.
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Re: seasons end.
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2008, 06:17:10 PM »
I think a lot of the problem is the american mentality. The bandit, for instance, can be looked at from two points of view. One, it is a well rounded bike and can be used for casual racing, or trips from a to b. The other point of view, which is what most americans see from is the bandit is worthless because it is not a great race bike, nor is it a great cruiser. Most americans would rather have a full on race bike to take racing, then when they want to go cruising they can hop on the M109. With things tightening up on the economy I think people will start to change the way they look at things and bikes like the bandit, will become more popular because people can't afford two bikes. The media dosn't help either. Most people don't even know what a bandit is. I know I didn't until I got mine!!!

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Re: seasons end.
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2008, 07:32:26 PM »
Cool photo.  Nice to see another part of the world.   :thanks:
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Re: seasons end.
« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2008, 10:35:59 PM »
>>Is it the riders are too ignorant, or the importers are only willing to bring in the bikes they can sell in large numbers?  I also wonder what part the US moto-media plays, since they seem to dedicate their coverage primarily to the two extreme ends of the street bike spectrum.<<

I think that unfortunately these two reciprocate between each other on this matter. The American mentality fuels the press to concentrate on sports and cruisers and then it bounces back to the consumer mindset. They never think outside of the box.

Americans are obsessed with big bikes too. Sure, Europeans like big bikes too, but you'll see plenty of smaller bikes in Europe. In Asia 400cc and under are standard fare, hence bikes like the GSR 400. What are the chances of ever seeing something like THAT here? Right.  :lol:

Generally there's a shortage of true streetbikes in the US. You have a small handful, like the SV650, Honda 599/919, Breva 750/1100 and such, but compare them to the sheer number of cruisers and sportbikes. Even bikes like the FZ6 and Ninja 650 are rehashed sportbikes. A good number of STs are also rehashed sportbikes.

Now, there's nothing wrong per se to rehashing bikes as such, but there's something about the simplicity of a good day to day bike that is comfortable (for instance) in a long run in the country if you like, and can get you through daily city traffic without sore wrists and/or excessive weight and (literally) excessive baggage that to me is missing from the American motorcycle landscape.
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Re: seasons end.
« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2008, 01:50:26 AM »
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Is it the riders are too ignorant, or the importers are only willing to bring in the bikes they can sell in large numbers?

It IS an interesting question Red...especially when Canada seems to get a number of the european models that the US doesn't get, and our numbers are VERY small compared to the US.

However, the Canadian importers are also expecting a healthy margin compared to the US distributors. eg: 2009 Bandit 1250S ABS has a US list price of $9199 US ($9949 Cdn) whereas the same bike is Canada has a list of $9985 US ($10799 Cdn). And this difference is a lot smaller than it has been in the past. I guess an 8-10% greater margin here results in a little more choice, and I expect that is part of the issue in the US.

IE: You guys get GREAT deals on bikes that move in BIG volumes. We get more choice, for more money, and I expect Europe is similar to Canada in that regard.

Another example: 2008 Triumph Sprint ST 1050 - US list $11199 US ($12177 Cdn) -  Canadian List $12944 US ($13999 Cdn). And remember, this is after the Canadian dollar has fallen to .9246/US whereas we spent most of the year closer to par.
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Re: seasons end.
« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2008, 02:22:58 PM »
IE: You guys get GREAT deals on bikes that move in BIG volumes. We get more choice, for more money, and I expect Europe is similar to Canada in that regard.

Europe does pay more for their bikes than we do in the US.  For instance, in the UK, the '08 Bandit 1250 ABS lists for £5799 (US$10,089 or CDN$11,160).  (The Suzuki UK site doesn't seem to be listing '09's yet... except for the new DR125SM.) 

When I was in France in '06, I'd thought about trying to find a nice used 500cc 2-stroke sport bike and bring it home, but I could buy one already snuck in for less money than I could have bought one there - and I still would have had to deal with getting it home.  My visits to the local dealers also showed the French were paying similar prices to the UK for new bikes.
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Re: seasons end.
« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2008, 12:02:59 AM »
Topic season end. Not so here in Southwest Arizona where the Colorado River horseshoe bends, only the ride day changes from night to mid morning to 24/7. Although temperatures lows will get down to 50 degrees between Dec and Jan, this is when the season starts and narrows between May and Sept. And where viability is almost always 60+ miles
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Re: seasons end.
« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2008, 12:27:02 AM »
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Re: seasons end.
« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2008, 01:55:49 AM »
yeah I wish I lived a little further south. UGG!!!!