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Offline rkfire

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« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2007, 12:53:30 PM »
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. I notice a difference in the way the 03 handles, but I don't know if that's a 1G vs. 2G improvement or just the lack of fairing weight on the front end.
My mod money will go towards comfort and sport tourability. A corbin or gel seat is next on the hit parade. My butt is sound asleep after an hour on this beast!


It seems to be a secret, even in Bandit communities, but the naked version (at least 2nd gen) got firmer suspension front and back than the S model. Suzuki remarked that they thought the naked buyers would rather have it firm, where the S model buyer was looking for a cushier ride. I'm a big guy, but needed to set the fork one click softer than stock to smooth out the bumbs.

I recently bought a used corbin. It seems a bit lower than stock, and a firm padding, but no more discomfort. They are pricey tho, but can be found now and then used.

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« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2007, 04:42:28 PM »
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It seems to be a secret, even in Bandit communities, but the naked version (at least 2nd gen) got firmer suspension front and back than the S model. Suzuki remarked that they thought the naked buyers would rather have it firm, where the S model buyer was looking for a cushier ride.


It's no secret, but it's only the rear shock that's different on the 2G. Some magazine tests erroneously claimed the naked bike had a stiffer front. The front seems stiffer because you don't have 15 lbs of fairing hanging over the front wheel, but a search of the parts catalog shows they both have the same part numbers for everything related to the forks.  Suspension on the 1G naked & S is the same. I don't know about the 3G models.

The difference doesn't get talked about much because it isn't great enough for most S model owners to bother with trying to track one down, especially when Hayabusa shocks are so easy & cheap to come by and they are much better and more adjustable.
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« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2007, 05:44:02 PM »
"... especially when Hayabusa shocks are so easy & cheap to come by and they are much better and more adjustable."

amen to that.

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« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2007, 06:08:40 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2007, 06:27:37 PM »
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time is passing fast for me fast at 50

Good grief! You've reached middle-age and you're complaining! You've got years of riding ahead, only you've got a bit of experience and maturity behind you to enjoy it without doing anything too stupid.
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« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2007, 07:45:00 PM »
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It's no secret, but it's only the rear shock that's different on the 2G. Some magazine tests erroneously claimed the naked bike had a stiffer front. The front seems stiffer because you don't have 15 lbs of fairing hanging over the front wheel, but a search of the parts catalog shows they both have the same part numbers for everything related to the forks.  Suspension on the 1G naked & S is the same. I don't know about the 3G models.

The difference doesn't get talked about much because it isn't great enough for most S model owners to bother with trying to track one down, especially when Hayabusa shocks are so easy & cheap to come by and they are much better and more adjustable.


Ever ride a 2nd gen N model? All I know is mine is very stiff, front especially when set on the 3rd position as it comes from the factory. I'm 250# and have ridden 2 up with a 300 pounder on the back..lol, on the middle settings no less. If it were a longer ride, I probably would have upped the rear settings, but not the front.

The article I read, the writer had Suzuki reps available to ask that question. The factory guys affirmed BOTH front and back were firmer on the N model. I'd suspect there aren't enough naked models sold, and not many asking to purchase factory replacement springs to carry 2 different part numbers to make it worth their while to do so. Chances are anyone needing to replace either would buy aftermarket, I bet suzuki's aren't cheap.

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« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2007, 07:49:36 PM »
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« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2007, 09:03:53 PM »
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Ever ride a 2nd gen N model?

The article I read, the writer had Suzuki reps available to ask that question. The factory guys affirmed BOTH front and back were firmer on the N model. I'd suspect there aren't enough naked models sold, and not many asking to purchase factory replacement springs to carry 2 different part numbers to make it worth their while to do so. Chances are anyone needing to replace either would buy aftermarket, I bet suzuki's aren't cheap.


No, I haven't. I passed up the one chance I had, but then he had aftermarket front springs in his, so it wouldn't have been valid anyway.

What you say is possible - but then why would they bother to list different rear shocks? (For some reason, they list three different rear shocks.) It's just as doubtful anyone would replace the $350+ OEM shock with another one, too. (A pair of OEM fork springs are ~$80)
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« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2007, 09:14:08 PM »
RMTCOOK,

Do they have any more leftover 1200 Bandits?

I would definitely like to know if there is still an opportunity to buy a new 1200.  (I really like my 02 naked)

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« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2007, 12:45:33 AM »
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Do they have any more leftover 1200 Bandits?


I'll give them a call tomorrow and let you know.
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« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2007, 09:10:21 AM »
A friend of mine read a brit article and they took 6 Bandit riders and gave them 1250's to test ride.  At the end they asked if they would get rid of their Bandits for the 1250 and 4 out of 6 said no, there bikes are still running too good.
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« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2007, 09:20:37 AM »
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It just seems that 50 is the last of the maintenance free years for the body before the roulette wheel of illnesses can land with your name on it. I work out almost everyday but I already have to take blood pressure medication. My 65 year old doctor just slapped me on the back and said "welcome to the club my friend, its all down hill from here so enjoy life while your able" as he rode off in his electric chair to the next waiting room.

 I will be 60 in 2 months, I go to the gym 4 or 5 days a week and work out. Not that I want to live a long time, just that I want to be healthty while I am alive. And I still like to ride the ZX12s and busas and I like to ride fast.
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« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2007, 10:36:39 AM »
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A friend of mine read a brit article and they took 6 Bandit riders and gave them 1250's to test ride.  At the end they asked if they would get rid of their Bandits for the 1250 and 4 out of 6 said no, there bikes are still running too good.

I've not come across that one - what's the source of that information? (the article I mean, not your friend  :wink: )
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« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2007, 10:52:50 AM »
Yeah, I'd like to see that article too...    sounds like another one of those "a friend of mine" stories.  :roll:

Here's a link to a real testimonial by a real brit about riding the 1250:

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216371

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