Author Topic: Gel Seat (Read 22997 times)

Snubnose · « **on:** February 20, 2007, 10:42:22 PM »

Seems like the Gel seat market has a significant higher demand than it used to. This has caused alot of sellers to inflate their sale price to well above what they bought them for new.

Do we follow a "fellow riders" code at all? , y'know , helping other riders out?, i.e fellow banditos? in line with the nature of this board, and do "solids" for other riders of the like? or is everything fair game in a capitalist society?

CWO4GUNNER · « **Reply #1 on:** February 21, 2007, 12:20:51 AM »

Absolutely! If people desire to be subject to the preconceived idea of having to have someone else upholster a piece of gel foam into their motorcycle seat at exorbitant cost for such a simple procedure, the entrepreneur deserves to make that profit. Otherwise the alternative would be socialism.

Red01 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 21, 2007, 10:00:17 AM »

Whatever the market will bear.
It's basic supply & demand economics.

Desolation Angel · « **Reply #3 on:** February 22, 2007, 10:33:47 AM »

Think petroleum. Is it right that they raise their prices just because there is limited supply and lots of people want it?

Sure, if they choose to. It is theirs, after all. If they ask too much, sales go down.

Someone asking too much for a seat, won't sell it.

Unless I'm on line shopping at the time.

I think the only time right & wrong enter an equation is when there is an emergency situation and essential supplies and goods are involved. Gel seats don't count.

CWO4GUNNER · « **Reply #4 on:** February 22, 2007, 11:49:18 AM »

Well hopefully this discussion is within the confines of prudent economics. Historically we all know the Government has stepped in to break up monopolies and support competitive enterprise which offsets the concerns posed here. It is a fact of world economics that the United States is the easiest country in the world to get rich and why so many bring there money here. The system is designed to reward those that "think" investment in opportunities to provide services for those that "need". In this way the system stays healthy and self sustaining without over involvement by the central incentives of the government, which is very inefficient. The alternative is one of the many forms of dictatorship where the people are taught negative incentive and "not think" which is not self sustaining and everyone starts to starve. So have fun and do all the things you already do, just don't forget if you don't "think" investment, you will never accumulate excess like some of your opportunistic neighbors. Whether you are a citizens or foreign national, in this country disenfranchisement or wealth is 95% the result of your own actions.

Desolation Angel · « **Reply #5 on:** February 22, 2007, 01:07:40 PM »

Quote from: "CWO4GUNNER"

Well hopefully this discussion is within the confines of prudent economics. Historically we all know the Government has stepped in to break up monopolies and support competitive enterprise which offsets the concerns posed here. It is a fact of world economics that the United States is the easiest country in the world to get rich and why so many bring there money here. The system is designed to reward those that "think" investment in opportunities to provide services for those that "need". In this way the system stays healthy and self sustaining without over involvement by the central incentives of the government, which is very inefficient. The alternative is one of the many forms of dictatorship where the people are taught negative incentive and "not think" which is not self sustaining and everyone starts to starve. So have fun and do all the things you already do, just don't forget if you don't "think" investment, you will never accumulate excess like some of your opportunistic neighbors. Whether you are a citizens or foreign national, in this country disenfranchisement or wealth is 95% the result of your own actions.

By the way, you seem like a fella that needs a gel seat and I just happen to have one for sale for a measley $400 + 50 shipping. You can't beat that deal! Don't let this one get away from you! Supplies are limited! Only 1 at this price! Limited time offer!

CWO4GUNNER · « **Reply #6 on:** February 22, 2007, 04:14:03 PM »

Actually I lost the bid on ebay for a travelcade 12x15 3/4 inch thick gel insert replacement new for $22, out bid at $20 to save the $50 cost of the "Buy Now" cost. Your price is fine if you can get it, but I am too socially independent and can easily remove the upholstery cover, cut the section of foam for the insert and staple the cover back to the seat frame perfectly and wala!, new gel seat with $350 in cost avoidance, or as Ben put it "a penny saved is a penny earned."

gyrogearcrunch · « **Reply #7 on:** April 03, 2007, 02:08:57 AM »

Quote from: "CWO4GUNNER"

Absolutely! If people desire to be subject to the preconceived idea of having to have someone else upholster a piece of gel foam into their motorcycle seat at exorbitant cost for such a simple procedure, the entrepreneur deserves to make that profit. Otherwise the alternative would be socialism.

Gotta disagree there, Chief! Capitalism is no better than Socialism for one simple reason: Both continue to foster the never-ending class war that has always decimated the humming-bean race. Competition (for bragging rights) leads to resentment, which leads to hatred, which leads to war. Same goes for the greed caused by capitalism and socialism that leads to an "I got mine, you got yours?" mentality. When asked why they do this, the answer is always the same: "Because we can"! Power corrupts.

How come no one sees that competition is the diametric opposite of co-operation, and that it was ALWAYS leaders who fostered co-operation that led to peace? There are those within the top 6% wealthiest on the planet who believe in the time-tested "divide and conquer" strategy to stay in power and control. These critters are right now running unbridled over our big blue marble, and our grand rooster in the white house is just one of their good 'ol boys.

I work in a VA hospital, so I get to see their handiwork close up.

"Tain't purdy, McGee".

That's the long answer as to why some may wish to charge less rather than more for their gel seats!

Herb

gyrogearcrunch · « **Reply #8 on:** April 03, 2007, 02:33:52 AM »

Quote from: "CWO4GUNNER"

Well hopefully this discussion is within the confines of prudent economics. Historically we all know the Government has stepped in to break up monopolies and support competitive enterprise which offsets the concerns posed here. It is a fact of world economics that the United States is the easiest country in the world to get rich and why so many bring there money here. The system is designed to reward those that "think" investment in opportunities to provide services for those that "need". In this way the system stays healthy and self sustaining without over involvement by the central incentives of the government, which is very inefficient. The alternative is one of the many forms of dictatorship where the people are taught negative incentive and "not think" which is not self sustaining and everyone starts to starve. So have fun and do all the things you already do, just don't forget if you don't "think" investment, you will never accumulate excess like some of your opportunistic neighbors. Whether you are a citizens or foreign national, in this country disenfranchisement or wealth is 95% the result of your own actions.

Do those "opportunistic neighbors" include the ruling class in Saudi Arabia, where the very few hold 99% of the wealth while the rest of their countrymen starve and suffer? Maybe that's why most of the 9/11 aircrews were Saudis!

Well, sir, I spent 5 years on freezing flightlines fixing B-47's with H-bombs on board, ready to blow up half the planet, with the fall-out sure to destroy the other half, so I had lots of time to think. I joined up with a gung-ho attitude, ending up in the the 509th bomb wing (8th AF) ready to help kill us all. Believe me when I tell you that even as only an "aider and abettor" in this insane enterprise, no matter who was "right" or "wrong", led to nightmares that persist even today.

At one time, I felt exactly as you do, thinking that if you were "down", I had the right to kick you in the nuts. But those nightmares eventually led to a realization that people are the same everywhere (at least those of us who are not psychotic), so why are we unable to live our lives peacefully, grow old, enjoy our grandchildren in peace, and die happy after a fulfilled life? Answer: The psychotics, having no consciences, always rise to positions of power because they have no scruples whatever. They feel no pain, other than being thwarted; they feel no remorse for any of their actions; they think that everyone is on earth for THEIR PERSONAL BENEFIT ONLY. Hm-mm! Sounds like what so many in this world in power impose upon their fellow beings.

"Rotsa ruck, G.I."

Herb

aussiebandit · « **Reply #9 on:** April 03, 2007, 02:56:52 AM »

I couldn't help myself

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The system is designed to reward those that "think" investment in opportunities to provide services for those that "need". In this way the system stays healthy and self sustaining without over involvement by the central incentives of the government

If that's the case why is it that your wonderful Government pays your farmers huge subsidies to compete on the world market????

Oh and as for Gel seats, just buy a Sheepskin Seat cover, no extra work involved, buy it-fit it, other than the ones god gave us - there's no tools required.

Red01 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 03, 2007, 02:29:55 PM »

Me neither...

Quote from: "aussiebandit"

I couldn't help myself

If that's the case why is it that your wonderful Government pays your farmers huge subsidies to compete on the world market????

Don't forget our gov't also pays them not to grow... and our gov't gives food away, even to our enemies. I recall several times we gave the Soviet Union grain when their crops did poorly.

As for subsidies, I don't think they sould hand them out. Not to farmers, or anyone else. The subsidies that really get me are the taxpayer funded handouts to pro sports teams for their playing fields. If this is such a great investment, as they always pitch to us taxpayers to get us to vote to fund them, then why don't the people who profit from the team's presence pay for them instead of hitting up the spectators twice. Once at tax time and again to buy a ticket.

aussiebandit · « **Reply #11 on:** April 03, 2007, 11:12:30 PM »

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Don't forget our gov't also pays them not to grow...

Don't get me wrong, I can fully understand and fully support subsidies in times of hardship, prolonged droughts (as we have now) or natural disasters like cyclones/hurricanes/floods/fires etc.

But to pay farmers NOT TO GROW something, that is just plain stupid.....

ZenMan · « **Reply #12 on:** April 03, 2007, 11:46:55 PM »

This question is about integrity vs. greed, not capitalism.

If you were in the business of selling gel seats for a living, then you charge what the market will bear... or discount to outsell your competitors. That's capitalism, just business.

If you just have one gel seat to sell, it's a matter of how you conduct yourself in your personal life, and interaction with others.

You have two choices...

1. Sell the seat for more than what you paid for it, take the guy's money and walk away. The guy you sold it to knows you took advantage of the fact they are hard to find, and probably resents it. Yeah, you made a few bucks, so I guess the money is pretty important to you.

2. You sell the gel seat for what you paid for it, or even less if it's a little worn. The guy realizes you could have made more money, but he shakes your hand, looks you in the eye, and you know you just gained another man's respect. You walk away feeling good, and maybe you made a new friend.

Even if the guy thinks you're a sucker for not charging more, that's his problem. You know you did the honorable thing and you're integrity remains strong.

I choose #2. A few extra bucks isn't worth losing even a small piece of my character, which I try my best to uphold to ethical standards. I guess it was my Grandad who pounded it into me... "You can lose your money or your house, and still build a new life. But if you lose your honor, you lose everything that makes you a man."

aussiebandit · « **Reply #13 on:** April 04, 2007, 07:09:14 AM »

when it comes to selling things, I generally don't like selling stuff to people I know. Why, because it can come back to bite you in the a%se if something goes wrong, and you suddenly become public enemy No 1.

For that reason I don't mind making a few bucks when I sell to a stranger.

But I will sell at a fair a reasonable price to a mate...in fact depending on how much it cost me - anything less than $50.00 - I'd be happy if they bought me a beer or 3.

gnip · « **Reply #14 on:** May 05, 2007, 02:35:05 AM »

My bike came with the gell seat... Now I feel like a Star-Belly Sneetche from a Dr. Seuss story.