Banditmania Twin Pipes

[Soro]

Does anyone have an opinion/ experience with these twin pipes offered at Banditmania?
They look sweet. Not sure if I'm too thrilled with adding more weight to my bike just for looks and some sound. Any thoughts?

[solman]

My guess is that the two of those would probably be close to the same weight as a stock B12 exhaust w/midpipe.

[Red01]

It's strictly for looks. No performance gain over a single setup. Extra weight and twice the cans to buy, so you've gotta love the look, or it's not worth it.

[Soro]

Yeah, I figured the dual cans were just for looks. I’ll admit that I’m a pretty visual person, so I get attracted to the look of things. I know that the exhaust is a performance part and yet I like everything on my motorcycles to look exciting as well as perform. I just ran across these Devil shotgun exhaust cans. They look crazy sweet also. Ugh. I thought I knew what I wanted before and now I'm all mixed up.
 

[Red01]

Personally, I like the looks of the Banditmania twin setup... but I don't like the look of the Devil double cans coming out of one pipe on the same side,

To me, a major drawback of the Banditmania setup is the loss of the centerstand.

The best looking twin can setup I've seen is the one Vee Dub Nut posted a pic of in another thread:



Don't know if he's had much luck tracking down who makes it though.

[Desolation Angel]

I like the looks of a pipe on each side, as long as it does something...slightly better performance, at least, and doesn't lose you the stand.  As to the two cans on one side, I would like that if each can is attached to separate pipes from the heads.  Two cans off of one pipe is stupid.

That under seat setup is very clean, I like it, but I also sort of like the looks of one nice pipe swinging out to the right side with a Holeshot on it!

[Soro]

The understeat looks awesome. Thanks for your thoughts on these exhausts. The Banditmania double cans look great but I think they are not for me.
I've been (quickly) playing with photoshop putting the devil and the holeshot cans on my bike to help "see them".

It seems that the Holeshot's mid pipe for the high mount version is really long and straight compared to some other brands midpipes that curve tighter/ tucked closer to the bike. I'm not sure if I like the "long" look that is going on. The whole streetfighter thing to me is about compactness. Has anyone seen a Holeshot high mount up close? Pictures sometimes misrepresent.

[solman]

This is a pic of my bike.  From what I have heard about pipes with too many curves, or tight turns, is that it is a good way to lose some power.  From what I understand is that is why Suzuki didn't go that route witht the GSXR.  I don't remember the exact details of it, but that is what I have heard.




If you look at this can you will notice that it is a 17" can.  Unlike the 14" can used by Holeshot.  Because the can is longer, they had to put sharper curves on the midpipe to make it fit properly.  If you ever look at the CBR1000RR, you will see some pretty sharp bends on the mid pipe.

[Soro]

Solman, your bike is awesome looking. It was the picture of your bike on the Holeshot website that started me on the path of moding my Bandit.
Somwhere in my mind I already knew that all the swoopy curves and bends in an exhaust robs power (I think I read something about underseat exhausts can have that issue).

Did you get the comp 1 or comp 2 can? What else have you done (jet kit, pair removal, inition advancer, etc)? Last one: what's it like?

[solman]

Solman, your bike is awesome looking.

Thanks  I sent two pics to Dale, the one that you see with the A-10 and one with a F-16.  

I think the can is a comp 1.  As far as mods goes:

1.  Holeshot high mount pipe
2.  Holeshot stage 1 modfied jet kit
3.  5 degreee advancer
4.  integrated turn signals into my rear tail light housing
5.  Short stalk turn signals in the front
6.  Sliced off the rear mud guard.  (left just enought to remount the license plate to it).
7.  Removed from reflectors
8.  Lowered front forks 5mm

I plan on eventually installing steel braided lines, top end oiler kit, and Holeshot header.

[Soro]

Solman, your bike is awesome looking.

Thanks  I sent two pics to Dale, the one that you see with the A-10 and one with a F-16.  

I think the can is a comp 1.  As far as mods goes:

1.  Holeshot high mount pipe
2.  Holeshot stage 1 modfied jet kit
3.  5 degreee advancer
4.  integrated turn signals into my rear tail light housing
5.  Short stalk turn signals in the front
6.  Sliced off the rear mud guard.  (left just enought to remount the license plate to it).
7.  Removed from reflectors
8.  Lowered front forks 5mm

I plan on eventually installing steel braided lines, top end oiler kit, and Holeshot header.

Can you post the F-16 Shot?
Was your bike stock when you first got it? What was the "seat of the pants" comparison like before and after the above mods? Also why did you choose the Stage 1 jet kit vs. a Stage 2. Thanks for letting me pepper you with questions.

[Vee Dub Nut]

FWIW i havent found anything on the undertail exhaust i posted a while back...  I think it really looks cool, but thats all its good for, no real performance gain over a single can....


the bandit mania pipes do look pretty cool... i bet they weigh a lot

[solman]

Can you post the F-16 Shot?

Done

Was your bike stock when you first got it?

I bought it brand new last year, so yes, it started out completely stock.

 

 What was the "seat of the pants" comparison like before and after the above mods?

I don't think I noticed much of a difference with the jet kit, but I definitely noticed a difference right away with the exhaust.  I had to mess with the bike after the jet kit and gave me some low end problems for a while.  I
actually got lucky on the solution when I did my tune up and changed the plugs.  I also synched the carbs as well.  For some reason after installing the jet kit, using the choke seems to make the bike run bad and possibly screw up my plugs(I don't know about other people having similar problems, but I did notice it on my bike). So after changing the plugs and not using the choke, the bike runs great.  As far as the exhaust goes, I never would've known how heavy a stock exhaust is until I removed it.  With the high mount, I believe the website said that it was about 7 lbs lighter.  I also noticed a bit of a power increase and weight loss as well.  I believe that it would be hard not to notice a difference when changing from a stock exhaust to an aftermarket.  Plus it made the bike sound a lot nicer as well.  In my opinion, changing the exhaust was almost like riding a new bike again.

Also why did you choose the Stage 1 jet kit vs. a Stage 2. Thanks for letting me pepper you with questions.

I really wanted the stage 2 and still do.  The main thing that stopped me was the cost.  I already gave Holeshot $400+ for the exhaust and centerstand adapter.  At that point, I was lucky to convince my wife to let me finish it off with a stage 1 jet kit.  I personally don't like airboxes.  It is too much of a pain to remove and install the carbs, especially when tuning.

Also one of the other recent mods that I just did was add two teeth to the rear.  I don't have the problem of it trying to be a wheelie king, but it definitely adds to the acceleration department.  With a good used chain, you might be able to slip a couple of teeth to the rear sprocket.  If you have a new chain, you have to add two teeth.  I found out the hard way on that one.  One other thing that I like about adding two to the rear is that I almost don't even notice it on my cruising rpms.

[Soro]

Solman, thanks for the info. The shot in front of F-16 is sweet. I need to spend some time thinking about what I really want to do (I'm still going back and forth on a couple of different pipes and which Jey Kit. At least I know that what ever I finally choose I will be happy with it).

With a good used chain, you might be able to slip a couple of teeth to the rear sprocket. If you have a new chain, you have to add two teeth. I found out the hard way on that one.

I'm not following this info. What do you mean by "you might be able to slip a couple of teeth to the rear sprocket"?
Did you replace your chain and rear sprocket? So going up two teeth in rear gives you more low end power? I guess it must take some MPH off the top speed in trade, right?

[solman]

I'm not following this info. What do you mean by "you might be able to slip a couple of teeth to the rear sprocket"?
Did you replace your chain and rear sprocket? So going up two teeth in rear gives you more low end power? I guess it must take some MPH off the top speed in trade, right?

The stock chain for a B12 is 110 links.  If the chain is high mileage, it may be stretched out enough to add two teeth to the rear sprocket.  If you buy a new chain, you have to add two links(112) to fit the larger sprocket on the bike.  I haven't been able to redline in 5th gear, so by doing this, it may actually help improve my top end.  I haven't got the chance to find out yet, but I have a friend who did it and he says it actually helped the top end for him.  If you don't like accelerating quick from stop lights, then don't add teeth to the rear sprocket.  My bike launches so much better and I have attempt to hold back when the light turns green.

I need to spend some time thinking about what I really want to do (I'm still going back and forth on a couple of different pipes and which Jey Kit. At least I know that what ever I finally choose I will be happy with it).

I believe that all aftermarket pipes are good, even though some are better than others.  I don't think that you can go wrong with the choices out there, it just all depends on what you want to spend and the look/sound that you want.  I remember an article where they did a comparison on pipes for the R6.  Horsepower differences wasn't much, but there was a difference with decibels, appearance, and price.