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Offline ricklee4570

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Bandit 1200 Verses V-Max
« on: July 18, 2007, 07:28:45 AM »
I work with a fellow who just bought a Yamaha V-Max. Im not sure what year it is, seems like they all look the same since they came out!

Anyway, I have a 97 Bandit 1200, completely stock. It has 39,000 miles on it. Very well maintained, excellent condition.

I am going to take it to the track and run it in the quarter mile sometime this summer, mainly out of curiosity as to what kind of time I can get out of it. I am an experienced rider, and I have owned a lot of different motorcycles in my life and usually end up spending a little time on the dragstrip. (Beats hot rodding on the streets where it is not only dangerous but can become expensive!)

Anyway, this guy I work with is also a very experienced rider. He is going to join me when I go and run his V-Max. Forget the magazines, in the real world, which bike should win this race?  All variables close to the same, concerning rider experience, we both weigh close to the same, and general consistencies. Is it easier to get a good time on a bandit verses the Max?
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Offline Bob Holland

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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2007, 08:33:07 AM »
It should be a close run but you should win. It is hard to launch a shaft drive bike, so you should get him out of the hole, if you can keep the front wheel down. Let us know how it comes out. :motorsmile:
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Offline drewpy_dawg

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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2007, 03:57:22 PM »
V-max can keep its nose down much easier (after the shaft drive issues are dealt with) ...even launching mine as hard as I could I had to try to get a wheelie in 1st.  The v-max's v-boost will get you if you are neck and neck when it kicks in...but...I think the extra RPM's at the top on the bandit and the 100lb advantage in the weight department should yield you a victory.  Be careful and have fun...
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Offline the ferret

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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2007, 05:40:48 PM »
Really? You guys think that a stock Bandit can outrun a stock VMax? I don't think so. Maybe Ricklee is a better rider than the other guy. That's the only way the Suzuki will win. Any gentlemanly handshake bets? The Bandit is a fine motorcycle but the V MAx is a wickedly fast beast in a straight line.

Hey let us know when it happens, would love to read the results.
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Offline drewpy_dawg

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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2007, 05:49:11 PM »
I dunno...
Vmax makes about 110 hp and a tad more torque than a bandit but weighs dry at 580 vs. 480 for the bandit...it will be close and more about the drivers than the bikes themselves...
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Offline Bob Holland

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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2007, 06:00:23 PM »
Quote from: "the ferret"
Really? You guys think that a stock Bandit can outrun a stock VMax? I don't think so. Maybe Ricklee is a better rider than the other guy. That's the only way the Suzuki will win. Any gentlemanly handshake bets? The Bandit is a fine motorcycle but the V MAx is a wickedly fast beast in a straight line.

Hey let us know when it happens, would love to read the results.

I'm not knocking the VMax. It is one of my all time favorite bikes, but in many years of dragracing I have never seen one run good at the strip, mid 11's at best,  but that is what the track is for, go find out :motorsmile:
But to put that into perspective, I have never ridden anything stock at the dragstrip. :bandit:
My favorite bike, that I owned, was the 89 FJ 12
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Offline okbandit

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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2007, 08:08:09 PM »
These are from motorcyclist online.

V-Max ('03) 116.5HP 11.30 @ 119.84
 
Bandit 1200 ('01) 101.8 HP 10.98 @ 121.9

Bandit 1200S ('01) 101.6 HP 11.15 @ 121.8  

 I don't usually put much into these things from "pro" riders, but it looks like stock to stock it will be a close one.
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Offline 03banditrdr

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« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2007, 09:15:52 PM »
Quote from: "okbandit"
These are from motorcyclist online.

V-Max ('03) 116.5HP 11.30 @ 119.84
 
Bandit 1200 ('01) 101.8 HP 10.98 @ 121.9

Bandit 1200S ('01) 101.6 HP 11.15 @ 121.8  

 I don't usually put much into these things from "pro" riders, but it looks like stock to stock it will be a close one.
i wouldn call that a pro rider on the Vmax as Dale W went like 10.60's @ near 129 mph on a STOCK vmax 22 yrs ago!! I think tis will be a riders race!!
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Offline the ferret

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« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2007, 10:14:21 PM »
wow that really suprises me. I've never considered the Bandit with its relatively low HP figures and low redline to be that fast. Really suprises me.
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Offline Bob Holland

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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2007, 01:31:22 PM »
This is with a 48 shot of Nitrous
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1/4 Mile ET: 10.609
1/4 Mile MPH: 130.815
1/8 Mile ET: 6.908
1/8 Mile MPH: 104.500
0-60 Foot ET: 1.752
Temperature F: 79.0
Timeslip Scan:  
Car Make: Yamaha
Car Model: V Max
Car Type:  
Car Year: 1997
Driver: Rix Lewis
Nitrous System: N.O.S.
Nitrous Shot: 48
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Offline ricklee4570

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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2007, 05:11:31 AM »
Just curious, why would a shaft drive be harder to launch than a chain drive? I used to have an 87 Magna, it was shaft, never had any problems launching it.
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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2007, 10:30:58 AM »
Rick,

In antiquity, and some say BMW shafts still do this, there was a "jacking" problem in which the suspension of shaft drive bikes under hard acceleration they shifted weight as the shaft pinion gear tried to "climb" the ring gear.  Rapid on/off throttle action would cause the rear end to "pogo" (move up and down vertically) upsetting the stability of the bike.

I've owned numerous Honda shaft drive units and never had this experience.  

JR
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Offline ricklee4570

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« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2007, 07:04:47 AM »
Yes, I used to notice that on my old Magna. I thought it was rather cool, blip the throttle and the rear end bounced upward. But it never created a problem launching hard. The rear would raise up, but I still stayed on it hard and made a pretty good take off. Maybe it is worse with something like the V-Max with so much more power?
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Offline JReviere

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« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2007, 08:36:24 AM »
The Magnas, even the 86 Tarrif Cheater 700 were power brutes too.  The V-65 was a MONSTER in that department. I've owned 2 of the 750 cc late model Magnas... sweet machine..., except for 2 MAJOR defects... TINY GAS TANK... ran out of gas at 110 mi... unacceptable.  and LONG TURNING CIRCLE...   The big Mag was like it's Sabre Sibling... straight ahead POWER... but don't try to maneuver much... now, the 700/750 Sabres... sweet in the twisties...  Much more fun to ride if you aren't seduced by the brute power gnome.   The big Bandit is capable, but not spectacular in putting together POWER and HANDLING... for me, a near perfect compromise.
Put HeliBars on it yesterday... should do my old back a lot of good getting away from the Roger Racer Boy Wannabe monkey on a football crouch...

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Offline ricklee4570

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« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2007, 10:35:16 AM »
So anybody know which would win in a straight line race, the V-65 Magna or the V-Max? (All variables considered equal)
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